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    BlueDemon is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    Thank you Swordfish, 2nd manga that ended this year (the other being FMA )

    I liked the chapter, Maya dying I didnīt really see it coming... (like many others it seems xD)
    But even though I forgot almost everything about TTīs history, chars, powers etc. (Iīll have to reread it sometime again - when Iīll have the time) her death makes sense (to me at least):
    Nagi alone wouldnīt have been able to kill his father without his powers being purified by the whatever-Gate, so Maya sacrificed herself and purified the powers xD ( and you ask yourselves why she couldnīt do it without sacrificing herself, or what?)

    And do you guys know where you can thank the translator of TT for his year long engagement? That guy did a pretty good work for a long time

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDemon View Post
    And do you guys know where you can thank the translator of TT for his year long engagement? That guy did a pretty good work for a long time
    FuguTabetai over at mangatranslation.com has worked on this manga from start to finish. He actually puts a personal note on the last page of the scanlation. A real trooper, for sure.

    Here's the ch. 136 thread over on his site:

    http://mangatranslation.com/cgi-bin/...pic.php?t=1333

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDemon View Post
    Nagi alone wouldnīt have been able to kill his father without his powers being purified by the whatever-Gate, so Maya sacrificed herself and purified the powers xD ( and you ask yourselves why she couldnīt do it without sacrificing herself, or what?)
    not exactly, the way i understood it, Nagi couldn't defeat Souhaku alone, but he could kill him(and himself) thanks to Masataka's power. However, that wouldn't have ended the war, since the powers wouldn't have disappeared with them, and sooner or later someone else would have tried to do the same thing as Souhaku. However, according to Ichiyo's plan, Maya nullifyed all of the red feathers powers and died so that all the powers would "die" with her, thus ending the war for good

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    @ swordfish: Iīve see his notice, just didnīt know where he was at Thanks.

    @giorno: that makes sense. So Maya actually sacrificed herself in order to stop someones ambition to become a "God" (like Souhaku said).
    But what was Masatakaīs power again? why did he need it? (...I forgot lots of stuff bout TT xD)

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    basically, since Nagi and Souhaku are the same being, Nagi couldn't defeat Souhaku, since Nagi's power is also Souhaku's power. However, thanks to Masataka sending his ki to Nagi(and at the same time overloading susanoo, so nagi's body started being destroyed by the excessive ki), Nagi had "more" power than Souhaku and thus could "defeat" him...

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    Wait, so whatever happened to Fu Chi'en? Last we saw he was still alive, surprisingly.... now it seems he just disappeared?
    Last edited by X-Fade; 10-16-2010 at 10:18 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giorno- View Post
    basically, since Nagi and Souhaku are the same being, Nagi couldn't defeat Souhaku, since Nagi's power is also Souhaku's power. However, thanks to Masataka sending his ki to Nagi(and at the same time overloading susanoo, so nagi's body started being destroyed by the excessive ki), Nagi had "more" power than Souhaku and thus could "defeat" him...
    Okay, thanks!

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    i actually dont like seeing maya die. for so much talk about breaking the cog wheels of fate, deciding your own destiny, masataka didnt exactly save the day, didnt save nagi, didnt break any cogs and wheels,
    coz in the end, some1 died. the author round things off with maya's neutralizing power self sacrifice to save the day.
    i wouldnt call that deciding your own fate. the author play it out like maya knows all along that's how it should be, that's how it should end. so i dont like it.
    and to be frank, this story was never concieved with an ending already in mind when oh great was starting this series.....it was like come as we go along

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    Quote Originally Posted by giorno- View Post
    basically, since Nagi and Souhaku are the same being, Nagi couldn't defeat Souhaku, since Nagi's power is also Souhaku's power. However, thanks to Masataka sending his ki to Nagi(and at the same time overloading susanoo, so nagi's body started being destroyed by the excessive ki), Nagi had "more" power than Souhaku and thus could "defeat" him...
    nagi ask to masataka to kill him...destined to break the cog wheels, then he'll reborn clean(storyline jargon). now masataka said to aya b4 he said he love her, that he'll punch the 'harpoon'(sending ki), activate the swords power something that'll neutralize sohaku's power.......i dont think your explanation fits what i just typed.

    also, all what i just typed are just air, coz in the end, all of these points are meaningless coz its maya self sacrificing that neutralize all of the powers......so what the hell with the author, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by total_station101 View Post
    i actually dont like seeing maya die. for so much talk about breaking the cog wheels of fate, deciding your own destiny, masataka didnt exactly save the day, didnt save nagi, didnt break any cogs and wheels,
    coz in the end, some1 died. the author round things off with maya's neutralizing power self sacrifice to save the day.
    i wouldnt call that deciding your own fate. the author play it out like maya knows all along that's how it should be, that's how it should end. so i dont like it.
    Yes, the bottom line is that in the end to defeat fate(that is, to stop the history repeating itself and end the war for good), Maya was fated to die(she pretty much had to take Nagi's place)

    personally, i like this better than an ending like FMA were everyone manages to survive and get a happy ending...


    and to be frank, this story was never concieved with an ending already in mind when oh great was starting this series.....it was like come as we go along
    it's a story about determinism...if he didn't have it planned out from the beginning(at least an outline of the main plot), then he's a genius and/or had someone constantly reminding him of what he had already wrote in detail...

    i think the problem is that he rushed the ending, and left some important stuff either too vague or unexplained...

    nagi ask to masataka to kill him...destined to break the cog wheels, then he'll reborn clean(storyline jargon). now masataka said to aya b4 he said he love her, that he'll punch the 'harpoon'(sending ki), activate the swords power something that'll neutralize sohaku's power.......i dont think your explanation fits what i just typed.
    two things to consider here: what Masataka said was only what he believed, not necessary the truth. Afterall, it didn't look like Maya told anyone about what her true role would have been. Second, Souhaku was cut off from external connections due to Reiki. Sending ki into reiki literally meant send the ki to Nagi and let him "use" Reiki to kill Souhaku. But that wouldn't have been enough to annihilate the powers, "only" Souhaku and Nagi would have died then

 

 
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