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    xxDoLLarBiLLxx is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadou-kou View Post
    My whole take on the whole storytelling of Oh! Great....

    True, the Souhaku plot has been there since the past arc. The anime didn't/couldn't go through with Souhaku involvement, but the use of hyperboles were really overused. There was the thing with the whole "True Warrior vs True Demon" and people taking it literally. Using all of those hyperboles, people thought it was actually going to happen.

    Then there was the whole thing with Masataka fanboys, trying to make judgments that he possesses all of the special abilities because he was a direct descendant of Susanoo, yet it was stated later that some of the families developed the abilities AFTER he conceived with twelve women and then still saying that he has every ability and he's godly. The chapters that focused on certain character developments did not cut it for me. When we got more that ten chapters focusing on Masataka stepping up and he ends up taking a beating in the last with only making two blows that was only a distraction for the girls to actually do what was needed. Early on, some of the guys like Maya, Masataka, and Mitsuomi complimented Bob on the things he could already do. They give him a couple of chapters to go in depth as to where Bob's talents lie and then that's it. After his fight with Madoka where he was using his breakdance/capoeira, in the last fight we see him in, he completely stopped using it. I really believe that Oh! Great had earlier plans for the main characters but changed it multiple times and made them more on the generic shounen trio (Main Character is stupid and straightforward but never gives up/ Rival is smart and has more variation to their attacks/ the guy that's the best friend/comic relief that usually has the physical strength. Usually strong and has only one real ability with few variations and barely wins a fight). There was so much back and forth between characters that in the end, there was no actual plot, just subplots that had a weird conclusion to them

    The ending just came out of nowhere with nothing really going on except that Maya took the blow that was probably meant for her two years ago, the school's a fighting paradise, Bunshichi apparently graduates as they don't even say anything about him but they show two panels of them, Mitsuomi is still alive and Ryuzaki probably still has a broomstick up his ass.

    I never exactly got the whole Mitsuomi/Shin fight. What exactly was Mitsuomi supposed to do for/to Shin and why do people keep blaming him for Shin's death when he pierced his own brain with the accupuncture needle. Was the honorable thing to let Shin isolate Maya from everyone else, continue to kill people who even spoke of her name and beat Mitsuomi?
    At least somebody agrees with me. This is what led to me to ask whether this manga wasn't a semi-parody --semi-serious manga.
    -Remember how easy Souhaku died? and Mitsuomi actually thought he had done something important?
    -What about Nagi's mother telling him that if he doesn't know why he's fighting for, he'd keep on channeling the Earth Dragon. Once he made a decision that he'd soar through the sky and become the Dragon of Heaven(hence the Tenjo Tenge title). Yet that was quickly forgotten once the imprisonment(by Souhaku) happened.
    -What about Maya asking Nagi "Can you hand over your life to me?" What was the whole point about Maya going to Nagi's mother and asking permission to use Nagi's life to end the war? Looking back on how the manga ended, dont it make that whole sequence stupid?
    -what about Aya using the Reiki to kill Souhaku inside Nagi? if the Reiki can kill red feathers why did they go back to Souhaku at the end of the manga?
    -Why did Oh Great! even said that the moment Nagi joined the Jyuukenbuu that he'd be the strongest member to ever join the jyuukenbuu?
    -What about Aya telling Nagi that one day he'd become stronger than anyone? whatever happened to that?
    -Why make Nagi look like shin in the first place??
    -whatever happened to all the red feathers that was supposed to be part of the tournament??
    -What was up with "I need you to break me out the cycle" by Nagi to Masataka. Did Masataka break any cycle? he was getting his ass handed to him by mindless monster.
    -Why make Nagi look like monster when Gaokishi looked human?
    -WHy spend 10+ chapters focusing on Masataka character development and other useless subplots when it mounted to nothing in the end?
    -whatever happened to masataka being jealous of Nagi because of aya? whatever happened to the foreshadowed confrontation over that situation?
    -Why did Maya had to die for when The Reiki can kill red feathers?'
    -Why did Maya hate Mitsuomi for anyways? Shouldn't she hate the father more? Wasn't the father the one using her brother as guinnea pig? Why did they spend the whole manga saying he killed Shin? heck why did they even say MItsuomi beat SHin when Shin nearly killed everybody that was at the fight?

    And the list goes on.......
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    My feeling is that Oh great! stopped caring about the manga once the anime failed. The manga chapters used to be longer and was bi-weekly. But once the anime failed horribly....
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxDoLLarBiLLxx View Post
    At least somebody agrees with me. This is what led to me to ask whether this manga wasn't a semi-parody --semi-serious manga.
    -Remember how easy Souhaku died? and Mitsuomi actually thought he had done something important?
    ....i'm tired of repeating this but, go back and re-read that scene: Mitsuomi knows exactly what's going on there, he even paralyzes Nagi and leaves him there so Inue could easily put Souhaku's eye in him


    -What about Nagi's mother telling him that if he doesn't know why he's fighting for, he'd keep on channeling the Earth Dragon. Once he made a decision that he'd soar through the sky and become the Dragon of Heaven(hence the Tenjo Tenge title). Yet that was quickly forgotten once the imprisonment(by Souhaku) happened.
    -What about Maya asking Nagi "Can you hand over your life to me?" What was the whole point about Maya going to Nagi's mother and asking permission to use Nagi's life to end the war? Looking back on how the manga ended, dont it make that whole sequence stupid?
    That was what they hoped for: they hoped that Nagi would be strong enough to take all of that power without becoming a demon. And heck, Nagi was still able to remain in control even after absorbing more than 3000 powers...unfortunately, he couldn't keep control of all that power in the end, and became a demon...

    -what about Aya using the Reiki to kill Souhaku inside Nagi? if the Reiki can kill red feathers why did they go back to Souhaku at the end of the manga?
    go back and re-read, Souhaku wasn't killed, he pretty much overcame them at the end and forced Iyo to send everyone out of souchiro's mind to save them...


    -What about Aya telling Nagi that one day he'd become stronger than anyone? whatever happened to that?
    ....do i even have to answer?

    -whatever happened to all the red feathers that was supposed to be part of the tournament??
    Helloooo???? NAGI.DEVOURED.THEM.ALL.

    -What was up with "I need you to break me out the cycle" by Nagi to Masataka. Did Masataka break any cycle? he was getting his ass handed to him by mindless monster.
    Did Nagi die? No. But i guess we should wait for the translation before making a judgment about this

    -WHy spend 10+ chapters focusing on Masataka character development and other useless subplots when it mounted to nothing in the end?
    ditto

    -whatever happened to masataka being jealous of Nagi because of aya? whatever happened to the foreshadowed confrontation over that situation?
    why should it even matter?(aside from the fact that this situation pretty much died on its own shortly after nagi joined the jyuukenbu)

    -Why did Maya had to die for when The Reiki can kill red feathers?'
    because reiki couldn't kill souhaku? seriously, wait for the chapter to be translated, it's likely that maya's death is explained...

    -Why did Maya hate Mitsuomi for anyways? Shouldn't she hate the father more? Wasn't the father the one using her brother as guinnea pig? Why did they spend the whole manga saying he killed Shin? heck why did they even say MItsuomi beat SHin when Shin nearly killed everybody that was at the fight?
    Answered in the previous post. And Mitsuomi did beat Shin, he simply didn't kill him on the spot, and Shin basically accelerated his death after he regained control...
    Last edited by giorno-; 08-21-2010 at 04:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadou-kou View Post
    I never exactly got the whole Mitsuomi/Shin fight. What exactly was Mitsuomi supposed to do for/to Shin and why do people keep blaming him for Shin's death when he pierced his own brain with the accupuncture needle. Was the honorable thing to let Shin isolate Maya from everyone else, continue to kill people who even spoke of her name and beat Mitsuomi?
    Only Maya blames him cuz he interfered in their family business.
    She always felt like she was the one that HAD to kill him, some people think that she loved Shin but if you rewatch the anime you will realise that she trully hated and feared Shin.
    She didn't want Mitsuomi to fight cuz she loved Mitsuomi, not Shin.
    She also tought that if Mitsuomi killed Shin, his soul would've become corrupted and she was correct.
    At the funeral, she just wanted to be with him but he couldn't even see something that obvious and the only thing he could think of was fighting the Red Feathers:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZQoR5mPPFU

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwSbRGCCyac

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    Gotta love the end of this episode:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61H_yS6MbFw

 

 
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