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    How come No one started a new topic for 136 yet if you already seen it or have spoilers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadou-kou View Post
    Remote Viewing/seeing through the eyes of other creatures (Something his mother showed him)
    Isn't that like the Dragon Eye and what Aya also used?

    Quote Originally Posted by xxDoLLarBiLLxx View Post
    oh great!! never disappoints(he always sucked as writer).
    I had fun with his manga UNTIL the part were Nagi fused with Souhaku, it went downhill after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenryuken View Post
    Isn't that like the Dragon Eye and what Aya also used?



    I had fun with his manga UNTIL the part were Nagi fused with Souhaku, it went downhill after that.
    yea i agree with you there. Once he did that, the story went to shit. He changed the plot of story so many times it became hard to follow.
    1. The black dragon of earth, dragon of heaven thing never materialized.
    2. True Warrior sht never happened either after that.
    3. You wait in the last 9(give or take) chapters to give Masataka character development. really? really oh great!? Those 9 chapters could have spent either tying up loose ends or used for the last fight and epilogue.
    4. Conveniently saved Nagi from choosing between Maya and Aya by killing off Maya.
    5. Really useless Future chapter of Bob Fighting Madoka. Reallly....Bob didn't even take part of the last fight.
    6. really no final fight at all. Masataka spent the whole fight getting his butt kicked until Nagi-Maya-Aya somehow beat Souhaku.
    7. The Souhaku in Nagi thing, dragged on for far too long and took away from the story as a whole
    8. TOO MUCH HYPERBOLES.....


    did i miss anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxDoLLarBiLLxx View Post
    yea i agree with you there. Once he did that, the story went to shit. He changed the plot of story so many times it became hard to follow.
    1. The black dragon of earth, dragon of heaven thing never materialized.
    2. True Warrior sht never happened either after that.
    3. You wait in the last 9(give or take) chapters to give Masataka character development. really? really oh great!? Those 9 chapters could have spent either tying up loose ends or used for the last fight and epilogue.
    4. Conveniently saved Nagi from choosing between Maya and Aya by killing off Maya.
    5. Really useless Future chapter of Bob Fighting Madoka. Reallly....Bob didn't even take part of the last fight.
    6. really no final fight at all. Masataka spent the whole fight getting his butt kicked until Nagi-Maya-Aya somehow beat Souhaku.
    7. The Souhaku in Nagi thing, dragged on for far too long and took away from the story as a whole
    8. TOO MUCH HYPERBOLES.....


    did i miss anything?
    let's see:

    he never changed the plot of the story. It took a few volumes to introduce it(basically until we finally started to get explanations during the flashback about shin), but from that point on, it never changed. And no, it wasn't hard to follow, either. You just didn't pay attention or didn't care

    1.-2. you didn't pay attention to what you were reading i guess...
    3. the character development here was pretty much a given, but i agree he could've done it with less pages and chapter and give some space to other stuff
    4. LOL
    5. That was obviously to give Bob a closure of sorts, seeing as he wouldn't have played a role in the final fight
    7. I think the whole Anakin going to the dark side took away from story of Star Wars as a whole...
    8. I AGREE. unfortunately, that's OG's style, he likes hyperboles waaaay too much...

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    Quote Originally Posted by giorno- View Post
    let's see:

    he never changed the plot of the story. It took a few volumes to introduce it(basically until we finally started to get explanations during the flashback about shin), but from that point on, it never changed. And no, it wasn't hard to follow, either. You just didn't pay attention or didn't care

    1.-2. you didn't pay attention to what you were reading i guess...
    3. the character development here was pretty much a given, but i agree he could've done it with less pages and chapter and give some space to other stuff
    4. LOL
    5. That was obviously to give Bob a closure of sorts, seeing as he wouldn't have played a role in the final fight
    7. I think the whole Anakin going to the dark side took away from story of Star Wars as a whole...
    8. I AGREE. unfortunately, that's OG's style, he likes hyperboles waaaay too much...
    7. 2 diffrent things. And im not a big starwars fan.
    Trust me, i know what im talking about. I wrote the Tenjou Tenge GEneral info.

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    no, they're not different at all. Both are key points of the plot, if you didn't like it, that's that, it just means you didn't like how the plot developed, but if you think it took away from the plot, then it means you didn't even understand the story in the first place...

    unless i'm misunderstanding what you mean by "took away from the story"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by giorno- View Post
    no, they're not different at all. Both are key points of the plot, if you didn't like it, that's that, it just means you didn't like how the plot developed, but if you think it took away from the plot, then it means you didn't even understand the story in the first place...

    unless i'm misunderstanding what you mean by "took away from the story"...
    a better way to phrase it would be that it robbed the manga of its potential. Remember the plot of the story was about beating the Enforcement group and win the tournament. It then devolved into Souhaku gaining control of Souichirou's body. Remember the manga is called Heaven and Earth, Oh Great! starting developping the concept but everything stopped Souhaku's master plan was introduced into the story.
    We were robbed of a true Souichirou vs Masataka rematch from the 1st couple of chapters.'


    Maybe we are the idiots for taking this manga seriously. Given all the hyperboles, it almost seemed like this manga was a semi-parody --semi serious seinen manga.

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    ok, so...

    the "plot" was beating the enforcement group for like 3 volumes, that wasn't the plot, that was the introduction. The actual plot was finally introduced with the flashback, which started telling us what was actually going on. Sohaku's plan was always there, why do you think Mitsuomi and the enforcement group were so obstinate about killing nagi?

    he never changed the plot, he simply wrote from the perspective of the main characters, and gave the reader the same amount of informations about the plot as the main characters had at that point. That's just the way OG writes

    and the whole concept of heaven and hell WAS an hyperbole...

    PS: yes, this manga wasn't entirely serious(obviously), but the main plot was

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    My whole take on the whole storytelling of Oh! Great....

    True, the Souhaku plot has been there since the past arc. The anime didn't/couldn't go through with Souhaku involvement, but the use of hyperboles were really overused. There was the thing with the whole "True Warrior vs True Demon" and people taking it literally. Using all of those hyperboles, people thought it was actually going to happen.

    Then there was the whole thing with Masataka fanboys, trying to make judgments that he possesses all of the special abilities because he was a direct descendant of Susanoo, yet it was stated later that some of the families developed the abilities AFTER he conceived with twelve women and then still saying that he has every ability and he's godly. The chapters that focused on certain character developments did not cut it for me. When we got more that ten chapters focusing on Masataka stepping up and he ends up taking a beating in the last with only making two blows that was only a distraction for the girls to actually do what was needed. Early on, some of the guys like Maya, Masataka, and Mitsuomi complimented Bob on the things he could already do. They give him a couple of chapters to go in depth as to where Bob's talents lie and then that's it. After his fight with Madoka where he was using his breakdance/capoeira, in the last fight we see him in, he completely stopped using it. I really believe that Oh! Great had earlier plans for the main characters but changed it multiple times and made them more on the generic shounen trio (Main Character is stupid and straightforward but never gives up/ Rival is smart and has more variation to their attacks/ the guy that's the best friend/comic relief that usually has the physical strength. Usually strong and has only one real ability with few variations and barely wins a fight). There was so much back and forth between characters that in the end, there was no actual plot, just subplots that had a weird conclusion to them

    The ending just came out of nowhere with nothing really going on except that Maya took the blow that was probably meant for her two years ago, the school's a fighting paradise, Bunshichi apparently graduates as they don't even say anything about him but they show two panels of them, Mitsuomi is still alive and Ryuzaki probably still has a broomstick up his ass.

    I never exactly got the whole Mitsuomi/Shin fight. What exactly was Mitsuomi supposed to do for/to Shin and why do people keep blaming him for Shin's death when he pierced his own brain with the accupuncture needle. Was the honorable thing to let Shin isolate Maya from everyone else, continue to kill people who even spoke of her name and beat Mitsuomi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadou-kou View Post
    I never exactly got the whole Mitsuomi/Shin fight. What exactly was Mitsuomi supposed to do for/to Shin and why do people keep blaming him for Shin's death when he pierced his own brain with the accupuncture needle. Was the honorable thing to let Shin isolate Maya from everyone else, continue to kill people who even spoke of her name and beat Mitsuomi?
    Mitsuomi was supposed to kill Shin, at least in Dougen's plans. And i don't think people blamed Mitsuomi for killing Shin, aside from Maya, who doesn't even really blame him for killing Shin(though she kind of hates him for it, Shin was her brother afterall and Maya loved him very much, though not quite in the same way Shin loved her), but rather for the stance he took about red feathers afterwards, for "falling" in a similar way as Shin, so to speak...

 

 
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