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    tenryuken is offline Senior Member Long Time Member
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    There are 3 major characters.
    Amate...., Susa and Tsuku...
    Maya and Nagi/Souhakou are both one of them.
    Now for Tsu... is up to the Taka... brothers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenryuken View Post
    There are 3 major characters.
    Amate...., Susa and Tsuku...
    Maya and Nagi/Souhakou are both one of them.
    Now for Tsu... is up to the Taka... brothers.
    Souhaku is not Susanoh. Nagi is Susanoh but Souhaku being his greedy self want that power for himself which is why u see try to take over nagi's body. His lineage is inferior to the Nagis.
    And seeing from this current chapter, i think Souhaku is suffering from an little inferiorit complex like most major villains.

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    ^Souhaku has represented Izanagi, so calling Souichiro's blood lineage inferior doesn't make sense considering they have the same lineage, both literally and mythically. As for wanting to take over Souichirou's body, well duh. Souhaku basically engineered Souichirou in order to gain the abilities he has.

    yin and yan, which isn't both at this point refering to maya and souichiro

    souichiro fights relying on the powers of the red familys while maya uses the weaponry/arts of the white familys due to her amaterasu dragon's gate wouldn't allow her have other powers

    so wouldn't the true warrior be maya and the demon would be souichiro at this moment?
    1) Yin and Yang in this case would refer to the white and red feathers. It wouldn't represent Maya and Souichirou considering both are technically red feathers.
    2) While Maya doesn't explicitly have demon abilities, she does have the ability to communicate with reiki, so it's difficult to say she doesn't manifest any red feather abilities. Also, we don't currently fully know the provisions of the amatereasu dragon gate. We know bits and pieces and that different members of the family may have inherited different traits of it (considering Maya and Aya), but I think OG has intentionally left the succession of the 3 main gates ambiguous. Amaterasu could be Aya or Maya; Tsukiyomi could be Masataka or Mitsuomi; and Susanoh could be Souichirou or Souhaku. Obviously the way the plot has built up suggests the first choice in all 3 cases, but there hasn't been any explicit evidence clarifying the succession.

    A question of my own:
    Can anyone clarify the tie between the dragon gate system mentioned early in the manga and the new mythology of Izanagi/Izanami and their children? I remember that during one of Aya's reflections in the past Souhaku was named to possess all the traits of Amatereasu, Tsuikiyomi, and Susano, but now this new description of these gods as the paths of main succession for the families in the pheonix sort of confuses me.

    Edit: Sorry tatsunosuke, seems I'm full of crap (on the Amatereasu gate at least).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urameshi-sama View Post
    ^Souhaku has represented Izanagi, so calling Souichiro's blood lineage inferior doesn't make sense considering they have the same lineage, both literally and mythically. As for wanting to take over Souichirou's body, well duh. Souhaku basically engineered Souichirou in order to gain the abilities he has.


    1) Yin and Yang in this case would refer to the white and red feathers. It wouldn't represent Maya and Souichirou considering both are technically red feathers.
    2) While Maya doesn't explicitly have demon abilities, she does have the ability to communicate with reiki, so it's difficult to say she doesn't manifest any red feather abilities. Also, we don't currently fully know the provisions of the amatereasu dragon gate. We know bits and pieces and that different members of the family may have inherited different traits of it (considering Maya and Aya), but I think OG has intentionally left the succession of the 3 main gates ambiguous. Amaterasu could be Aya or Maya; Tsukiyomi could be Masataka or Mitsuomi; and Susanoh could be Souichirou or Souhaku. Obviously the way the plot has built up suggests the first choice in all 3 cases, but there hasn't been any explicit evidence clarifying the succession.

    A question of my own:
    Can anyone clarify the tie between the dragon gate system mentioned early in the manga and the new mythology of Izanagi/Izanami and their children? I remember that during one of Aya's reflections in the past Souhaku was named to possess all the traits of Amatereasu, Tsuikiyomi, and Susano, but now this new description of these gods as the paths of main succession for the families in the pheonix sort of confuses me.
    1. Yin and Yang could also represent one person. In the case of the flying phoenix, anyone who has mastered the martial arts and possesses all of the red feather abilities could represent Yin and Yang. In that case, Souichiro would be the obvious choice. Then again, OG never gave the specifics of the Flying Phoenix
    2.Maya doesn't have the ability to connect with Reiki. Her Amaterasu gate has blocked her red feather ability to activate Reiki herself. Aya's dragon eyes gave her remote viewing/astral projection in which she activated Reiki's true power for Maya when she fought Tetsuhiko.

    My belief is that the Twelve Families descended from Susa (Susanoo) and whoever possesses the ability to collect all of those powers back into one form who represent Susanoo. Souichiro, being the only one who can do that at this point is Susanoo. Plus, Susanoo was the god of the seas and storms and Souichiro possesses Lightning (his natural Ki), Water (From Tessen Ishiyumi), and Wind (From Shidzura Kamura) elements which would make up the basics of a storm. Amaterasu, I don't believe it matters if you descended from the Twelve Families as Senhime didn't. Obviously, Maya is the representation of Amaterasu with the gate. Now, Tsukiyomi, is the Moon Reader. That's the only information about him that we have at this point. In legend, he killed one of the lesser gods and feuded with Amaterasu. Mitsuomi would be closest choice for Tsukiyomi, but Masataka is supposed to represent the reflection of the moonon the water's surface. I personally, believe there is a third choice, with that being Bob cause I remember a couple of chapters where everytime there was deep discussion between Bob and another character, the moon was always over his head. I remember specifically in Chapter 69 where Mitsuomi and Emi were starting to talk about God and the Moon being able to understand everything below it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urameshi-sama View Post
    ^Souhaku has represented Izanagi
    Who is Izanagi?

    While Maya doesn't explicitly have demon abilities, she does have the ability to communicate with reiki
    It was Aya.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hadou-kou View Post
    1. Yin and Yang could also represent one person. In the case of the flying phoenix, anyone who has mastered the martial arts and possesses all of the red feather abilities could represent Yin and Yang. In that case, Souichiro would be the obvious choice.
    In martial arts, Nagi is at the bottom.

    P.S. Happy New Year.

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    i hope that tenten is going to end for so that a second season anime will start in the near future.

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    I hope TT never ends and I don't care about the anime.
    20% of it wasn't even in the manga. Not to mention the parts in the manga that weren't in the anime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenryuken View Post
    I hope TT never ends and I don't care about the anime.
    20% of it wasn't even in the manga. Not to mention the parts in the manga that weren't in the anime.
    i still want to see the tournament arc animated even so.

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    From what I was told about this chapter (The chinese translations are out),

    Souhaku talks about his immortality and other red feather powers and calling that perfection yet they cannot escape their pain and suffering, while white feathers and human power is imperfect, yet they can escape their pain over time (by death). That was right before the panel showing Masataka and Mitsuomi. He asks why humans continue to search for things that are forever lost and what are they trying to grasp by reaching out.

    Souhaku wants Nagi to absorb his soul and his powers, as well as all powers in the world (That's the last page where Souichiro punched Souhaku and it looked like Souhaku was beginning to take over again. Rumored to be Souichiro beginning to absorb Souhaku and his power into himself). Basically, Souhaku wants Souichiro to be something more than a human, demon, or god could ever be or something around that ballpark.

    IDK if its of any real importance, but they also gave a description of the three gods:

    Amaterasu came from one dragon eye gave her power to Reiki in the past (Which is most likely the reason why Reiki possesses the same power neutralization ability.

    Susanoo, the True Warrior, died splitting his power into the twelve families

    The other dragon eye, Tsukiyomi, followed the path towards Hell.

    From that description, it sounds like Tsukiyomi is leaning more towards Mitsuomi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadou-kou View Post
    From what I was told about this chapter (The chinese translations are out),

    Souhaku talks about his immortality and other red feather powers and calling that perfection yet they cannot escape their pain and suffering, while white feathers and human power is imperfect, yet they can escape their pain over time (by death). That was right before the panel showing Masataka and Mitsuomi. He asks why humans continue to search for things that are forever lost and what are they trying to grasp by reaching out.

    Souhaku wants Nagi to absorb his soul and his powers, as well as all powers in the world (That's the last page where Souichiro punched Souhaku and it looked like Souhaku was beginning to take over again. Rumored to be Souichiro beginning to absorb Souhaku and his power into himself). Basically, Souhaku wants Souichiro to be something more than a human, demon, or god could ever be or something around that ballpark.

    IDK if its of any real importance, but they also gave a description of the three gods:

    Amaterasu came from one dragon eye gave her power to Reiki in the past (Which is most likely the reason why Reiki possesses the same power neutralization ability.

    Susanoo, the True Warrior, died splitting his power into the twelve families

    The other dragon eye, Tsukiyomi, followed the path towards Hell.

    From that description, it sounds like Tsukiyomi is leaning more towards Mitsuomi.
    So does that mean that Tsukiyomi is teh "demon" since "path towards hell" pretty much can't be nothing good. And my question is, if Tsukiyomi is really the true Demon, why the hell is DOugen and everybody else bent on reviving him?

 

 
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