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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAngel84 View Post
    I know what the Demon excorsist form is utilized for, they made that clear when he first activated it. You basically just agreed with the point I've been trying to make, that he seemingly mastered it through unknown means. Or basically mastered it out of nowhere. Think about it, hardly any of the people Souhaku had him fight were even strong enough for him to need to use that form, and before then he'd only used it when his ass was in jeopardy. The only theory I could come up with is that it became easier for him to use the more he used it. And DollarBill, I don't see why you're so upset, Souichiro already has so much other stuff going for him right now (playing the role of Susanoo, being practically labeled as a god in 117). Nagi doesn't need anymore fancy labels, as they so eloquently put it in this newest chapter. With all of the neglect and bad rep that Masataka has been given since the beginning of the story, especially in the anime, the title of True Warrior is something I say he's damn-well earned. Besides, Naruto hasn't been neglected at all, especially given he's about to become the next Toad sanin. Now if only Bob could be put onto some kick ass abilities it would be all good.
    manga rule #1 : main character is always the hero and is never on the wrong end of the stick. And toad sannin is one of the ugliest thing i've ever seen. THe whole point of Nagi becoming the true Warrior would be him overcoming blood and his father. Plus Oh Great did say(through massataka) that Souichirou would be the strongest member ever to join the Jyuukenbou.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxDoLLarBiLLxx View Post
    I really dont like where this is headed because it seems like its coming closer to make Masataka the true warrior. if not him then his brother. Still i'm quite disappointed that it wont be Nagi. If indeed it is not him, this will be the gr8est main character neglect since Naruto. That might be a little extreme but i'm pissed about it.
    Yeah it seems that way but hopefully thats not the case and that Nagi pulls through. It seems his greatest battle is gonna be with himself (well i guess that includes Sohaku) and Masataka is gonna be there encase Nagi loses but for that to happen would be very interesting......

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxDoLLarBiLLxx View Post
    manga rule #1 : main character is always the hero and is never on the wrong end of the stick. And toad sannin is one of the ugliest thing i've ever seen. THe whole point of Nagi becoming the true Warrior would be him overcoming blood and his father. Plus Oh Great did say(through massataka) that Souichirou would be the strongest member ever to join the Jyuukenbou.
    Well he torned to piece a little girl bare handed, I assume that as being strong. But masakata as the true warrior is a more logical option, I mean, true warrior, not i-got-godly-power warrior;
    It's been implied since the beginning of the story, and face it, nagi is not the main character anymore, only the first to have been introduced. Ah na, it was masakata also

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxDoLLarBiLLxx View Post
    I really dont like where this is headed because it seems like its coming closer to make Masataka the true warrior. if not him then his brother. Still i'm quite disappointed that it wont be Nagi. If indeed it is not him, this will be the gr8est main character neglect since Naruto. That might be a little extreme but i'm pissed about it.

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    read my last post for asnwers about Kagiroi Kabuto.
    There's no such thing as Kagiroi Kabuto. There's Tetsuhiko Kagirou (dude Maya fought) and Katsumi Kabuto (Guy with shades that fought Souichiro).

    I know what the Demon excorsist form is utilized for, they made that clear when he first activated it. You basically just agreed with the point I've been trying to make, that he seemingly mastered it through unknown means. Or basically mastered it out of nowhere. Think about it, hardly any of the people Souhaku had him fight were even strong enough for him to need to use that form, and before then he'd only used it when his ass was in jeopardy. The only theory I could come up with is that it became easier for him to use the more he used it. And DollarBill, I don't see why you're so upset, Souichiro already has so much other stuff going for him right now (playing the role of Susanoo, being practically labeled as a god in 117). Nagi doesn't need anymore fancy labels, as they so eloquently put it in this newest chapter. With all of the neglect and bad rep that Masataka has been given since the beginning of the story, especially in the anime, the title of True Warrior is something I say he's damn-well earned. Besides, Naruto hasn't been neglected at all, especially given he's about to become the next Toad sanin. Now if only Bob could be put onto some kick ass abilities it would be all good.
    Yeah, he has bad senses when it comes to fighting and women, but the thing with him is that his character has always been constant. That doesn't really interest people. Souichiro and Bob had to grow as fighters and people, I think that's why people like to see them as main characters more than Masataka. Masataka doesn't need a title, since he's already the narrator of the story. If he was narrating and became this True Warrior then its like "oh, typical shounen hero saves the day in the end and happy ever after crap like that". Besides Masataka fights don't really get me hyped as much as a Maya, Bunshichi, Souichiro, or Bob fight. Okay, given that Souichiro only used the Demon Exorcist form when he had to fight, but can you give me one reason why he would use it when he didn't have to fight and waste his Ki for no reason? (I really want an actual situation where he would use it). Dollarbill might be upset if Souichiro wasn't the True Warrior, but it seems that you would be upset if Masataka wasn't given a title either.

    Well he torned to piece a little girl bare handed, I assume that as being strong. But masakata as the true warrior is a more logical option, I mean, true warrior, not i-got-godly-power warrior;
    It's been implied since the beginning of the story, and face it, nagi is not the main character anymore, only the first to have been introduced. Ah na, it was masakata also
    technically, Bob and Souichiro were the first to be introduced and Souichiro is still the main character, just that he's not the typical hero. In a way, he's like the main hero and main villain in one, but which one will overcome the other in the end has yet to be determined. It's just that now, he looks like the main villain cause Souhaku took over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadou-kou View Post
    There's no such thing as Kagiroi Kabuto. There's Tetsuhiko Kagirou (dude Maya fought) and Katsumi Kabuto (Guy with shades that fought Souichiro).



    Yeah, he has bad senses when it comes to fighting and women, but the thing with him is that his character has always been constant. That doesn't really interest people. Souichiro and Bob had to grow as fighters and people, I think that's why people like to see them as main characters more than Masataka. Masataka doesn't need a title, since he's already the narrator of the story. If he was narrating and became this True Warrior then its like "oh, typical shounen hero saves the day in the end and happy ever after crap like that". Besides Masataka fights don't really get me hyped as much as a Maya, Bunshichi, Souichiro, or Bob fight. Okay, given that Souichiro only used the Demon Exorcist form when he had to fight, but can you give me one reason why he would use it when he didn't have to fight and waste his Ki for no reason? (I really want an actual situation where he would use it). Dollarbill might be upset if Souichiro wasn't the True Warrior, but it seems that you would be upset if Masataka wasn't given a title either.



    technically, Bob and Souichiro were the first to be introduced and Souichiro is still the main character, just that he's not the typical hero. In a way, he's like the main hero and main villain in one, but which one will overcome the other in the end has yet to be determined. It's just that now, he looks like the main villain cause Souhaku took over.
    you know i meant Tetsuhito. ANd i was trying to explain to him the notion that training will allow you to be a demon exorcist is false. I was tellin him how Kagiroi came about to be able to use the red feather powers and it was due to sorcery by Souhaku who used Makiko's eye.

    Yes Nagi and bob were the first to be introduced riding that motorcycle. I'd say the hero is Nagi and the heroine is Aya. Although i think that Maya is the heroine more since she and Nagi shared more meaningful screen time. Im starting to thin that Aya might end up with Masataka or maybe Masataka might just sacrifice himself to save Souichirou cause he know killing him would hurt Aya? that's not that farfetched when you think about it.

    It's not that I'll be upset if nagi is not the true warrior, it'd be more like i feel i was suckered by the author b/c his whole premise of the story was to show how Nagi acquired Tenjou Tenge and became the strongest guy ever as he stated through masataka in volume 1.
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    On masataka: Oh Great! had this to say: He thought of making Masataka the hero of the story that's why he made him so typical nice guy like, but he decided against it and went with Souichirou as the main character of the story.

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    If the brothers fight i think Masataka will win and be the head of the Takayanagi clan.
    Mitsuomi will then leave with maya and go somewhere peacefull until he dies, there is no way Maya or Masatka would kill Mitsuomi. The only way to defeat him is by extending the fight longer than 3 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenryuken View Post
    If the brothers fight i think Masataka will win and be the head of the Takayanagi clan.
    Mitsuomi will then leave with maya and go somewhere peacefull until he dies, there is no way Maya or Masatka would kill Mitsuomi. The only way to defeat him is by extending the fight longer than 3 minutes.
    I hope that doesn't happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxDoLLarBiLLxx View Post
    manga rule #1 : main character is always the hero and is never on the wrong end of the stick. And toad sannin is one of the ugliest thing i've ever seen. THe whole point of Nagi becoming the true Warrior would be him overcoming blood and his father. Plus Oh Great did say(through massataka) that Souichirou would be the strongest member ever to join the Jyuukenbou.
    When did Oh Great say that Souichiro would be the strongest? Last I checked, when Masataka made that comment back in volume 1, he never named any names whatsoever. That leaves the stage wide open for anyone to become the true warrior, even Masataka. Besides, becoming the True Warrior does not equal being the best in the series. It's just a title, a title I believe Masataka has shown the most potential for earning. Souichiro has already shown by this point that he's possibly the strongest in the series right now. I say possibly because we've yet to see a showdown between him and Mitsuomi.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hadou-kou View Post
    There's no such thing as Kagiroi Kabuto. There's Tetsuhiko Kagirou (dude Maya fought) and Katsumi Kabuto (Guy with shades that fought Souichiro).



    Yeah, he has bad senses when it comes to fighting and women, but the thing with him is that his character has always been constant. That doesn't really interest people. Souichiro and Bob had to grow as fighters and people, I think that's why people like to see them as main characters more than Masataka. Masataka doesn't need a title, since he's already the narrator of the story. If he was narrating and became this True Warrior then its like "oh, typical shounen hero saves the day in the end and happy ever after crap like that". Besides Masataka fights don't really get me hyped as much as a Maya, Bunshichi, Souichiro, or Bob fight. Okay, given that Souichiro only used the Demon Exorcist form when he had to fight, but can you give me one reason why he would use it when he didn't have to fight and waste his Ki for no reason? (I really want an actual situation where he would use it). Dollarbill might be upset if Souichiro wasn't the True Warrior, but it seems that you would be upset if Masataka wasn't given a title either.



    technically, Bob and Souichiro were the first to be introduced and Souichiro is still the main character, just that he's not the typical hero. In a way, he's like the main hero and main villain in one, but which one will overcome the other in the end has yet to be determined. It's just that now, he looks like the main villain cause Souhaku took over.
    Masataka's character hasn't been what I would say is constant, he's gone through his own issues as well, most notalbly the dissention within his family. He's had to deal with the neglect that Dougen has expressed toward him, his feelings of resentment toward Mitsuomi and what he's done both in the past and present, not to mention his jealousy toward Souichiro for all of the attention he's gotten. All of these are real life issues that real life people go through everyday, and is something that I myself can relate to (being neglected by a parent, resentment toward a brother, being that I have one, as well as jealousy toward someone who's getting attention that they haven't shown as being appreciative or deserving of). Does that make him boring? Not in my opinion, and I for one find that with all of the messed up events and people dying that have occurred in this series, a "typical happily ever after crap" ending wouldn't be too bad. I for one, don't find Souichiro's fights to be as good as Bunshichi, Masataka, Bob, or even Aya, being that almost all of his fights require him relying more on his power than his fighting skills to win.

    As far as Souichiro using the Excorsist form, people expend energy training all of the time to master a technique/form/etc..., that's the whole point behind doing it. Why should Nagi be the only exception? Besides, it's clear that even though he can access the form at will, he still can't fully control it, seeing as he loses some semblance of self-control while being in that form. I mean even with his typical I'm-a-bad-boy-looking-for-attention attitude, I couldn't imagine him ripping a young girl to pieces while in his normal form, like he just did Kabane's sister previously.

    And yes, I would be a little upset if Masataka wasn't given the title of True Warrior. As I've said, I feel he's earned it at this point with all the potential and strength he's shown so far. I would feel like his character was just given the bare minimum of attention despite his potential if he wasn't, just like he was done in the anime. Just as DollarBill, and yourself, Hadou-kou-san, would express discontent if Souichiro wasn't given that title either. Even though, as I stated just now, he doesn't need it as he's already shown that he's possibly the strongest in the series. Like I said, being the True Warrior doesn't necessarily equal being the best, but I still feel that Masataka has earned it the most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAngel84 View Post
    When did Oh Great say that Souichiro would be the strongest? Last I checked, when Masataka made that comment back in volume 1, he never named any names whatsoever. That leaves the stage wide open for anyone to become the true warrior, even Masataka. Besides, becoming the True Warrior does not equal being the best in the series. It's just a title, a title I believe Masataka has shown the most potential for earning. Souichiro has already shown by this point that he's possibly the strongest in the series right now. I say possibly because we've yet to see a showdown between him and Mitsuomi.



    Masataka's character hasn't been what I would say is constant, he's gone through his own issues as well, most notalbly the dissention within his family. He's had to deal with the neglect that Dougen has expressed toward him, his feelings of resentment toward Mitsuomi and what he's done both in the past and present, not to mention his jealousy toward Souichiro for all of the attention he's gotten. All of these are real life issues that real life people go through everyday, and is something that I myself can relate to (being neglected by a parent, resentment toward a brother, being that I have one, as well as jealousy toward someone who's getting attention that they haven't shown as being appreciative or deserving of). Does that make him boring? Not in my opinion, and I for one find that with all of the messed up events and people dying that have occurred in this series, a "typical happily ever after crap" ending wouldn't be too bad. I for one, don't find Souichiro's fights to be as good as Bunshichi, Masataka, Bob, or even Aya, being that almost all of his fights require him relying more on his power than his fighting skills to win.

    As far as Souichiro using the Excorsist form, people expend energy training all of the time to master a technique/form/etc..., that's the whole point behind doing it. Why should Nagi be the only exception? Besides, it's clear that even though he can access the form at will, he still can't fully control it, seeing as he loses some semblance of self-control while being in that form. I mean even with his typical I'm-a-bad-boy-looking-for-attention attitude, I couldn't imagine him ripping a young girl to pieces while in his normal form, like he just did Kabane's sister previously.

    And yes, I would be a little upset if Masataka wasn't given the title of True Warrior. As I've said, I feel he's earned it at this point with all the potential and strength he's shown so far. I would feel like his character was just given the bare minimum of attention despite his potential if he wasn't, just like he was done in the anime. Just as DollarBill, and yourself, Hadou-kou-san, would express discontent if Souichiro wasn't given that title either. Even though, as I stated just now, he doesn't need it as he's already shown that he's possibly the strongest in the series. Like I said, being the True Warrior doesn't necessarily equal being the best, but I still feel that Masataka has earned it the most.
    i hate being right but here

    Tenjou Tenge 6 page 17 | One Manga
    Tenjou Tenge 6 page 18-19 | One Manga

    Aya also said that she knows that Souichirou will someday become stronger than anybody(she can see the future remember?) Tenjou Tenge 6 page 02-03 | One Manga


    again Blackangel, Souichirou and his mother are the only ones who have a demon exorcist form. The Nagi family is the only red feather with the dragon fist. If with training, if you are not a Nagi, you can't go into demon exorcist form.

    And yes the True Warrior is the strongest, why do you think Dougen, Souhakou and others are desperately trying to create the true warrior? And no i dont think Souichirou is the strongest right now since he has no control over himself. The whole point of the manga is acquiring heaven and earth(or yin and yang). Thats why you see so many people asking Souichirou why is he fighting for and still now he can't answer it as evidenced by what he told the current guy he's fighting, that's this indeciveness that has allowed him to lose control of himself. My guess is masataka, Aya or eventually Maya will bring him back to his senses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAngel84 View Post
    When did Oh Great say that Souichiro would be the strongest? Last I checked, when Masataka made that comment back in volume 1, he never named any names whatsoever. That leaves the stage wide open for anyone to become the true warrior, even Masataka. Besides, becoming the True Warrior does not equal being the best in the series. It's just a title, a title I believe Masataka has shown the most potential for earning. Souichiro has already shown by this point that he's possibly the strongest in the series right now. I say possibly because we've yet to see a showdown between him and Mitsuomi.



    Masataka's character hasn't been what I would say is constant, he's gone through his own issues as well, most notalbly the dissention within his family. He's had to deal with the neglect that Dougen has expressed toward him, his feelings of resentment toward Mitsuomi and what he's done both in the past and present, not to mention his jealousy toward Souichiro for all of the attention he's gotten. All of these are real life issues that real life people go through everyday, and is something that I myself can relate to (being neglected by a parent, resentment toward a brother, being that I have one, as well as jealousy toward someone who's getting attention that they haven't shown as being appreciative or deserving of). Does that make him boring? Not in my opinion, and I for one find that with all of the messed up events and people dying that have occurred in this series, a "typical happily ever after crap" ending wouldn't be too bad. I for one, don't find Souichiro's fights to be as good as Bunshichi, Masataka, Bob, or even Aya, being that almost all of his fights require him relying more on his power than his fighting skills to win.

    As far as Souichiro using the Excorsist form, people expend energy training all of the time to master a technique/form/etc..., that's the whole point behind doing it. Why should Nagi be the only exception? Besides, it's clear that even though he can access the form at will, he still can't fully control it, seeing as he loses some semblance of self-control while being in that form. I mean even with his typical I'm-a-bad-boy-looking-for-attention attitude, I couldn't imagine him ripping a young girl to pieces while in his normal form, like he just did Kabane's sister previously.

    And yes, I would be a little upset if Masataka wasn't given the title of True Warrior. As I've said, I feel he's earned it at this point with all the potential and strength he's shown so far. I would feel like his character was just given the bare minimum of attention despite his potential if he wasn't, just like he was done in the anime. Just as DollarBill, and yourself, Hadou-kou-san, would express discontent if Souichiro wasn't given that title either. Even though, as I stated just now, he doesn't need it as he's already shown that he's possibly the strongest in the series. Like I said, being the True Warrior doesn't necessarily equal being the best, but I still feel that Masataka has earned it the most.
    Hmmm....maybe. I really don't see as much potential in Masataka as I do in someone like Bob. Masataka has the experience and can use ki, but Bob is bigger and physically more powerful than him, yet has the flexibility and agility that someone smaller than himself should have. Masataka took three slashes to the back from Fu' Chien and probably some blows before he got knocked out, came to, tried to fight again, got scared, then came back and won, while Bob was cut in various vital spots yet discovered his Rhythm/Zanshin/Empty Mind ability and still fought back. Although it looked bad for him, he was still conscious and standing before Masataka came in. So, at least to me, I wouldn't say he has the most potential out of everyone. No doubt he's the voice of reason throughout the manga, but I think it would be best for him to stay that way than getting some title, like Bunshichi. Thinking about it, Masataka basically was neglected by his father for Mitsuomi's sake, they all have their different struggles, but everyone can either get through them or run away from them. Maya and Aya are growing up without parents cause their older brother decapitated them in craziness and Maya watched her own brother become a monster and kill himself to save everyone else, knowing that she could've stepped in and stopped him. Souichiro's family were hated all his life and his father basically sees him as a weapon as opposed to Dougen, who simply gave more attention to the older brother than the younger one, and literally doesn't care what happens to his son's soul. Bob has no family around, saw his girlfriend's raped body laying in a laundromat unconscious cause of him and Souichiro's actions at Toudou, yet couldn't do a thing about it (at the time). Plus, Maya hasn't really been training him, just giving him stuff that he already had while he could've simply went with Mitsuomi and become "the shaprest blade in the school".

    For Souichiro and his Demon Exorcist Form, it's not like it's a martial art, more like a spell put on oneself that continuously builds up energy within the user. No mortal being can actually have 100% access to it cause mortal humans will have their limits and eventually devour their spirit. No doubt he's the one with the most struggles as of now, basically living with two 'spirits' that are ready to take over his body at any time (the reason why he wants Masataka there to take him down just in case). Really don't see Masataka doing it alone though: Aya, Bob, and Maya will no doubt get some action with Souichiro as well.

 

 
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