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    Hadou-kou is offline Senior Member Respected Member
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAngel84 View Post
    I wouldn't say that having the True Warrior in the series would be pointless at this point, since both Dougen and, to some extent Mitsuomi, seem to still be hell bent on bringing that being to perfection. Both Dougen and Mitsuomi's surprise at Masataka's true potential in the last chapter seem to be yet another implication of him being a possible candidate.

    It is true though that at this point, Souichiro is acknowledged as being in the role of Susanoo, as is Maya being in the role of Amaterasu due to her having the gate. That would make her being one of very few, and the most likely, to be able to stop him should Souhaku be able to take over his body and wield his powers. I also agree that Mitsuomi seems the most likely of candidates to fill the role of Tsukiyomi. However, you have to keep in mind that in Japanese mythology, as far as I'm aware, Tsukiyomi doesn't die, where as Mitsuomi is still bound to die once his heart gives out.

    Masataka, due to what Aya said early on about his nature as a fighter, seems to be more of a reflection of the moon at this point. What role he and Mitsuomi take, as well as the future of the surviving characters, is all up for Oh! Great! to decide at this point.

    The reason I said the True Warrior doesn't really matter at this point is the simple fact that the last True Warrior couldn't even get close to Amaterasu due to her negation power, so how much help could that person be at this point If Susanoo, Tsukuyomi, and Amaterasu are supposed to fight against Death, it would make sense if Mitsuomi would've become Tsukuyomi. Dougen and Mitsuomi's plans If he were to become Tsukuyomi, then there would be one last to live by joining Souichiro and Maya to fight "Death". Back in 113, when Bunshichi saw Death/Izanami about to wrap her hands around Mitsuomi, Bunshichi pulled back so he could continue to live as long as possible. His punch actually went through all those skeletons or whatever they were to hit Mitsuomi, but not lethally. That, itself, could've changed fate which resulted in Bunshichi's own demise. So, Mitsuomi being the moon itself, he could see what he's become by looking at its reflecting in the pond (Masataka) and hopefully change by tomorrow.

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    Ara, this thread has officially become interesting. I dont know about the true warrior being completely innefective against amaterasu. In all honesty even if you can negate ki its not like the true warrior isnt going to know how to fight without it. It would be like knowing how to use the forged needle without knowing how to throw a punch. But that aside who says that the true warrior would be fighting against the 3 gods? The only problem i have with mitsuomi being tsukiyomi is that the full moon is his willingness to accept his fate of death, the three gods are fighting against it right? On another mitsuomi related topic, was that his resonance that was happening when he was holding bunshichi because it sure looks like it. Reiki was resonating and the only person and or thing reacting was mitsuomi so...........(in all honesty i wouldnt be suprised if the takayanagis had a dragon anyway, arent they the head of the flying phoenix)

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    In the myth about susanoo and amaterasu
    after izunagi washed sins away and given life to the three gods and place them in their order roles susanoo wanted to see his mother (izunami) at some point and this angered
    izunagi and punished him, giving him a good light spirit and a dark evil spirit and banishment from heaven
    after this susanoo and amaterasu started to love each other (in one version, in another it was a challenge) scaried at susanoo's dark side after destoring boats and flooding rice fields one day and ran away
    susanoo seeking forgiveness/banshied from heaven susanoo set out on a journey to retone for deeds and on his journey safed a girl's life, give rainfall to a needing village and slayed the yamta-no-orochi thus pulling out the sword Ama-no-Murakumo-no-Tsurugi ("Sword of the Gathering Clouds of Heaven") or the Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi ("Sword of the Herb-Quelling"), was then presented to amaterasu as a reconciliation gift
    (this is where it gets weird one version of the myth states this is were suanoo and amaterasu then create 8 deities of mist/people in another there were created prior to this which was the original start of they agument

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    ^It depends on which version of the three gods Oh! Great is going for. There are at least two stories he could be using at this point. He could use the one you just described with only the Ame-no-Murakumo-no Tsurugi as the only object or it could be that plus the jewel and mirror.
    To Seiryuu:
    Very true, the true warrior could still be able to fight against Amaterasu if they were to fight. However, with the person being Maya, that's still highly questionable if that person could win. Also, it could be just another thing that has been forgotten. Whatever happened to the Black Dragon vs. the Flying Dragon?
    With the resonance and Mitsuomi, could be. If you look back at 99, Mitsuomi said something about "something" still living inside of him. The Takayanagi's are the head of the Flying Phoenix and there's no clear explanation why. They didn't do anything 400 years ago with Souhaku. If they were the heroes they said they were, wouldn't they have gotten involved in stopping Souhaku back then? They say that they kept their blood pure from the times of Susa, but what does that mean? From the facts presented to us so far, they have nothing but cause trouble. Masataka is an exception so far, but so was his brother two years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadou-kou View Post
    ^It depends on which version of the three gods Oh! Great is going for. There are at least two stories he could be using at this point. He could use the one you just described with only the Ame-no-Murakumo-no Tsurugi as the only object or it could be that plus the jewel and mirror.
    To Seiryuu:
    Very true, the true warrior could still be able to fight against Amaterasu if they were to fight. However, with the person being Maya, that's still highly questionable if that person could win. Also, it could be just another thing that has been forgotten. Whatever happened to the Black Dragon vs. the Flying Dragon?
    With the resonance and Mitsuomi, could be. If you look back at 99, Mitsuomi said something about "something" still living inside of him. The Takayanagi's are the head of the Flying Phoenix and there's no clear explanation why. They didn't do anything 400 years ago with Souhaku. If they were the heroes they said they were, wouldn't they have gotten involved in stopping Souhaku back then? They say that they kept their blood pure from the times of Susa, but what does that mean? From the facts presented to us so far, they have nothing but cause trouble. Masataka is an exception so far, but so was his brother two years ago.
    That's a good point, the true warrior should be able to fight against beings with "power". That's one of the main points of being the true warrior after all. However, you're looking at this wrong way. With the exception of Mitsuomi and the beef with Maya, the true warrior wouldn't need to fight against either of them. Plus, wouldn't it be a little excessive for Mitsuomi to assume the roles of both the True Warrior AND Tsukiyomi? That would seem to be overkill in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAngel84 View Post
    Plus, wouldn't it be a little excessive for Mitsuomi to assume the roles of both the True Warrior AND Tsukiyomi? That would seem to be overkill in my opinion.
    We could say the same thing for Masataka too. If he is to be the True Warrior, then it would be overkill if he is also Tsukiyomi. I would prefer if Masataka take the role of the True Warrior as it has been hinted in several instances in the manga. In addition, it is more fitting for Mitsuomi to be Tsukiyomi because of the drift between him and Maya (Amaterasu), similar to the legend of Amaterasu being so angry at Tsukiyomi (for killing Uke Mochi, the food goddess) that she moved to a different part of the sky, thus explaining why there is night and day.
    "Whoever wins, our battle does not end. The loser is freed from the battlefield, but the winner must remain there. And the survivor must live his life as a warrior until he dies." --Big Boss

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadou-kou View Post
    ^It depends on which version of the three gods Oh! Great is going for. There are at least two stories he could be using at this point. He could use the one you just described with only the Ame-no-Murakumo-no Tsurugi as the only object or it could be that plus the jewel and mirror.
    To Seiryuu:
    Very true, the true warrior could still be able to fight against Amaterasu if they were to fight. However, with the person being Maya, that's still highly questionable if that person could win. Also, it could be just another thing that has been forgotten. Whatever happened to the Black Dragon vs. the Flying Dragon?
    With the resonance and Mitsuomi, could be. If you look back at 99, Mitsuomi said something about "something" still living inside of him. The Takayanagi's are the head of the Flying Phoenix and there's no clear explanation why. They didn't do anything 400 years ago with Souhaku. If they were the heroes they said they were, wouldn't they have gotten involved in stopping Souhaku back then? They say that they kept their blood pure from the times of Susa, but what does that mean? From the facts presented to us so far, they have nothing but cause trouble. Masataka is an exception so far, but so was his brother two years ago.
    The black dragon(earth dragon) and the Flying dragon(heaven dragon) are the
    two routes an exorcist(i dont know if its all red feather) can take according to
    Souichirou's mother. the did mention that at some point in the story. The Earth dragon is the most evil one where it can practically eat its user. This is the reason why Mahiro had that scar in her eyes, the reason why she lost one of her arms. Thing is, out of all the red feather families, the Nagis possesses the most Ki so the tax for using the Earth dragon is more hard on the user which is why Souichirou almost lost a leg.

    As far as Mitsuomi, he doesnt have any dragon gate. the thing is, Shin used a technique on him which allowed him to use an exceeding amount of Ki than regular people. As a result, he only has a few weeks left to live, at most months. But i have no doubt that if he was to fight Souichirou 1-on-1, Nagi would win.
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    Also Tenjou tenge means Heaven and Earth which is synonym with the Yin and Yang. SO i think once he or she acquires Heaven and earth, he will become the true warrior. Or something like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadmilkman2003 View Post
    I would prefer if Masataka take the role of the True Warrior as it has been hinted in several instances in the manga. In addition, it is more fitting for Mitsuomi to be Tsukiyomi because of the drift between him and Maya (Amaterasu), similar to the legend of Amaterasu being so angry at Tsukiyomi (for killing Uke Mochi, the food goddess) that she moved to a different part of the sky, thus explaining why there is night and day.
    That's exactly what I meant when I made my earlier comment concerning Mitsuomi. I wasn't saying that either brother assume both roles, but that each assume the roles that seem most fitting for them at this point. Mitsuomi does seem more suited for the role of Tsukiyomi at this point (I stated this in an earlier post), while Masataka has already been alluded to by several characters in the series to be the most likely candidate to become the True Warrior.

    Souichiro is already in the role of Susanoo, and depending on whether or not he's able to resist Souhaku's influence in his body, could eventually become either the True Demon or True God. It's all assumptions at this point until Oh Great! decides to reveal more of what he has planned.

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    The True Warrior/Demon/God are all one person, at least in chinese translations. The True Warrior is supposed to have all of this power, but depending on what path he takes ( Like the Black Dragon v. Flying Dragon I suppose) that person could be seen as a God who uses his or her power to help others or a Demon who has everlasting bloodlust. It seems that Masataka's role is like Bunshichi's in that he's probably the closest person to Mitsuomi who can hopefully change his view for the better. On the last page of 116, Masataka was standing in some stance with the moon in his hand. Now, it could mean that he is Tsukuyomi, or it could be like what Mitsuomi said back in chapter 69 with everyone else being the moon's reflection, not the true moon.

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    I always thought that the true warrior was supposed to fight against the true "demon". Isnt that why dougen arranged for shin to lose control during the tournament? I remember him saying that shin was nothing but a lure for to bring out the true warrior, but he never awakened. As far as the black dragon and heavenly dragon go from what i understand the black dragon loses himself and shakes the earth while the heavenly dragon soars toward the heavens. In all honesty i think sohauku is eventually going to take over souchirous consciousness and masataka, aya, and bob are going to have to stop him. (Or im at least hoping so) Now that i think about it just what were the takayanagis doing 400 years ago? Theres no way they didnt know about the events going on so why did they willingly let sohaku manipulate their organization as he did? Ara, so many questions, so little answers.

 

 
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