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    Celestial_Cerberus is offline Junior Member Newbie
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    ^it doesn't hes talking crap, dw about him

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    It was/is being implied throughout the manga...

    something to do with being the "True demon" and the "true warrior"

    ..the thing that dougen was trying to achieve with mitsuoumi.
    and probably what kengo nagi ichiyou(?) had been planning in order to bring an end to all the people with red feather powers.

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    Ok, where does it say that?

    From what's seen in the manga is that Ichiyou has a conflict with Souhaku but knew he couldn't take him down in his generation. So he made some genius of a plan that has so far been very specific. His goal hasn't been openly stated as the removal of the red feathers.

    The "True Warrior" and "True Demon" has so far been debated in the manga - or at least, the meaning and definition has been left ambiguous because we've seen the opinions of many different characters. And just because one person says something, doesn't make it true, right?

    Masataka for example is insanely strong yet doesn't have that same drive for power like other characters hence he tends to be the one not included in the "wheel" as stated by Bunshichi - and Souhaku has even questioned whether he's the true warrior. Bob Makihara understands rhythm, which is the very essence of both dancing and martial arts (for further Japanese reference, look up Go Rin No Sho, have a long read and find where the author talks about rhythm in martial arts), which is what makes Mitsoumi thinks of Bob as the True Warrior. Dougen thinks of Mitsoumi being the True Warrior as being able to use all forms of martial arts, and able to fight on par/defeat the "True Demon".

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    Hadou-kou is offline Senior Member Respected Member
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    It said tat in the anime, which we all know doesn't mean squat. Everyone has their own beliefs about what it takes o be a true warrior and all of them have a point.

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    "Ok, where does it say that?"

    Chapters 38-45 gives us an idea of what the "true warrior" is. basically dougen was cramming all the essences of martial arts into mitsuomi. and Rhythmn is an integral part of becoming a true warrior which is why mitsuomi has some interest in bob.(see the part where mitsuomi is practicing on a punching bag).

    "From what's seen in the manga is that Ichiyou has a conflict with Souhaku but knew he couldn't take him down in his generation. So he made some genius of a plan that has so far been very specific. His goal hasn't been openly stated as the removal of the red feathers."

    I did say "probably" because it was, as you said, pretty ambiguous. but because of ichiyou being the apparent leader of the 12 families, it woundn't be too much of a stretch to say that if dougen is trying to do the same thing(being the current head of the 12 founding families) as ichiyou by creating a warrior that is supposed to be capable of defeating red feathers. then, ichiyou's goal may have been to undo souhaku's awakening of the red feathers or someting simillar.

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    ^I still don't see how Nagi can't be the true warrior. If Masataka is the true warrior, then why did Dougen help Nagi train to bring out his dragon gate? Nagi taking the red feather's powers could mean that he is defeating the red feathers, which would fall under being the true warrior from what you pointed out.

    Dougen wanted to make the true warrior and somewhat still wants the true warrior to come out. So why of all people did he train Nagi and not Masataka then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vphamv View Post
    ^I still don't see how Nagi can't be the true warrior. If Masataka is the true warrior, then why did Dougen help Nagi train to bring out his dragon gate? Nagi taking the red feather's powers could mean that he is defeating the red feathers, which would fall under being the true warrior from what you pointed out.

    Dougen wanted to make the true warrior and somewhat still wants the true warrior to come out. So why of all people did he train Nagi and not Masataka then?
    my view exactly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vphamv View Post
    ^I still don't see how Nagi can't be the true warrior. If Masataka is the true warrior, then why did Dougen help Nagi train to bring out his dragon gate? Nagi taking the red feather's powers could mean that he is defeating the red feathers, which would fall under being the true warrior from what you pointed out.

    Dougen wanted to make the true warrior and somewhat still wants the true warrior to come out. So why of all people did he train Nagi and not Masataka then?
    I second....no third that. he makes for the perfect warrior for the shear fact he steals others abilities and Dougen has caught onto that. The fact that he is a demon exorcist enforces his role and that is to kill demons.

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    I've always thought of nagi being the ultimate red feather because he has the ability to possess all of the red feather powers, effectively making him the "true demon" in contrast of the "true warrior" being the ultimate white feather.

    "So why of all people did he train Nagi and not Masataka then?"

    I'm guessing it's the somewhat same reason dougen was "training" shin.

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    What exactly is a "True Warrior" and a "True Demon"? Any one of us can keep taking crack guesses and making references to the manga, but if you think about it there's been multiple opinions from different characters which kind of blows up the whole idea of there being a canon definition and anything we say is simply speculation which really means squat.

 

 
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