06-27-2008, 10:30 AM
I like Masataka because I like badass normals as opposed to people with magical power, and although he is sometimes amazingly violent, his fury never has driven him to kill or maim. His never falling to the dark side makes him an admirable character, although you may think his being only a "white feather" makes this count not so much. As far as his possible destiny to be the True Warrior, I don't think it's a random omission that he is the only major character who's never lost a fight.
I like "Asshat" Kagesada, too. But I don't think his lack of prominence in the story is just clever misdirection. If Oh Great! does think something like that is clever, then he'd be a terrible story teller.
06-29-2008, 08:39 PM
People tend to like Masataka for the same reason people like Naruto over Sasuke. Except here the Sasuke character(NAgi) is the main character. I'm not as cliche to like underdog characters. This manga is not a shounen manga, it's Seinen, so anything goes.
Also I think deep down, Masataka hates Souichirou because he likes Aya and She likes Nagi. Also to make matters worse, he(nagi) doesn't like Aya but Maya. If i remember correctly, when Nagi went missing, he was deep down wishing that Nagi never came back.
06-29-2008, 10:31 PM
Yes, Dollar Bill, what you've said about Masataka's feelings toward Nagi over Aya is true, and has been established already. However, I doubt he hates Nagi anymore because of Aya's affection, but rather because Nagi never chooses to make her a priority like he does Maya. Which is something that Masataka, being who he is, would take offense toward, even if Aya doesn't seem to let it bother her. I've said it before, he was ready to join Asshat and Bob when they were planning to go to Kyukushu to rescue Nagi from Souhaku.
Also, liking the underdog of an anime/manga series isn't as cliche as liking the main character of a series. Usually the main character is the one who is shown the most attention/recognition by the fans, not the underdog. I, myself, have always had alot more admiration for characters who are able to become strong on their own and develop their own abilities/techniques. As opposed to the characters who are given almost every conceivable advantage in a series (i.e. specialized training,etc..) or who are born with special powers/skills.
This usually constitutes the differences between the character of the underdog(s), and the main character(s) respectively.
06-30-2008, 01:25 AM
not really, usually the main character is the one that's the underdog who has to work hard to get strong but here its the exception where Nagi is almighty. I think Oh Great! himself kinda realize that he made his main character uber strong which is why he spent so much time building the other characters' strength up, to kinda even things up.
-It's the same reason why he never made dark-haired Nagi(exorcist form) fight Mitsuomi because he knew Nagi would have won and it's too early to have Mitsuomi who was seen as the villain at the time, lose.
06-30-2008, 04:18 PM
^ Yeah. it's not really uncommon to see the main character to have all of these power ups. Although they're shonen, look at Naruto and Bleach. Naruto has a demon fox inside of him with so much power that he can access, but that thing inside could take over and cause destruction if he released too much of it's power. Same thing with Ichigo from Bleach. With a hollow spirit that continuously wants to take control and rampage or whatever he wants, he has to train to have control over it. Souichiro's power gives him limitless ki, but he could go berserk like he has before and cause harm to his friends and family. However, he trains to control his power, not as much to literally "become strong". Masataka, Maya, Bob, and most of the other characters in the series are the ones who have to train to literally "Become strong".
06-30-2008, 10:11 PM
That was exactly my point though. Even though the main characters usually have to go to great lengths to control whatever special power they have, that very power usually constitutes as them BEING strong. They don't have to spend great lengths of time to develop it, unlike the more underdog characters like Bob, Asshat, Maya, and Masataka.
07-02-2008, 11:25 PM
i also remember something else, In chpter 75pg16, Kagiroi thanks Masataka for saving fu'chen but then he says this that he was just saying thnk you to god for being able to meet opponent as strong as him(referring to god). So does that mean that he thinks Masataka is as strong as god? Also at the end of ch 74, Souhaku asked himself wheter Masataka was the true warrior?
07-03-2008, 10:02 AM
Kagiroi did say that Masataka was a worthy opponent, yet Kagiroi never referred to Masataka as being a God or anything close to that. The only two people referred to beng God or being close to god were Souichiro and Bob. If you think about it, every fight he had with "F" , Masataka wasn't alone. With Madoka, she was already fighting against Bob and Emi and the fight with Fu'Chien, Aya and Bunshichi fought him too. Plus, he does have limits as far as I've seen. He can't use long ranged ki attacks like Maya, Souichiro, and Mitsuomi, so any fights he has, he has to close the range between them, which is difficult without taking damage. I know about the fight with Tagami, how he closed the distance without taking damage, but that was just a staff and he actually had to place his palm at the side so Tagami couldn't swing it. I doubt he could do that with a blast of energy.
07-04-2008, 05:27 AM
No, Kagiroi wasn't referring to Masataka as a god, but rather he was thanking God for delivering an opponent he believed could rival himself. In other words, Kagiroi was acknowledging that Masataka was an opponent he actually wanted to fight. As for his style, it is true that Masataka is more of a close ranged fighter and doesn't really rely on long ranged ki-attacks. But that doesn't mean he doesn't have any in his arsenal, he's displayed two that could be considered ki attacks, one in his first fight with Souichiro and the other in his fight with Madoka. Also, he didn't have help in fighting Madoka, as Bob and Emi were already too injured to continue fighting. If anything, he saved both their lives by coming along when he did.
Originally Posted by Hadou-kou
As for his fight with Fu' Chien, he and Bunshichi never fought Fu together. When Bunshichi intervened, Masataka was not only bleeding from a wound to the shoulder, but he was also afraid to fight Fu due to his power at the time. But once he got over his fear, something Mitsuomi was never acknowledged as being able to do, he was able to defeat Fu with just one punch. Also, keep in mind that neither Maya, Souichiro, or Mitsuomi are really long-ranged fighters either. Maya and Souichiro both only have a variation of the forged needle as a long rang attak, which IS a technique exclusive only to the Takayanagi family. However, they don't rely heavily on this technique in battle, both being more adept at and prone to using close range fighting.
Mitsuomi has two long ranged attacks, his double forged needle and the dragon technique the clone girl used against Bunshichi. But again, from what we've seen he doesn't rely on these techniques very often either, and instead seems to favor close range fighting. It was displayed in the last chapter, that Masataka uses a Chinese technique that allows him to block/intercept the hardest and/or sharpest weapons (such as Tagami's staff and Emi's knives). Also, he's shown great resiliency as he's been able to block and even take head on Kagurazaka's kicks. And Kagurazaka is acknowledged as having the strongest kicks in the school.
07-04-2008, 12:22 PM
Emi and Bob fought her first, that does mean he got help. I think you're thinking about it the wrong way, not the type of help were they actually lend a hand but the type just the fact that both Bob and Emi fought them first. And isn't it obvious that Masataka saved them? o_O
Originally Posted by BlackAngel84
Yeah Maya isn't really a long ranged fighter but I suppose she's got the ability to be, well not atm anyway. xD Nagi wasn't really a long ranged fighter before but then he started to use them more after he acquired the bullet thing he uses with his blood and the chase to get to Souhaku. I'd consider Mitsoumi more of a close-mid range since he practices it and used them more than pretty often. Actually in almost every big battle he's had. Also even if Kagurazaka's kick were the strongest in the school, it didn't stop Mitsoumi from pwning Masataka at the bowling alley.