12-26-2007, 12:40 PM
^Obviously, people are going to defend their favorite characters because they're their favorites. When someone creates a topic titled "Who likes Masataka?" the first thing that came to my mind when I saw it was a person who really likes Masataka and wants to hear other people basically say the same thing. People who like Masataka are going to talk about every scene he's in and make some link to it making him the True Warrior. I like Masataka too, but because others start making exaggerations of everything he's done so far and telling everyone that he's the True Warrior, I'm starting to hate him.
Using that logic, I could say Kagesada is the True Warrior because his last name has "Su" in it which is the first two letters in Susanoo. I could say Aya is the True Warrior because she has a connection to Reiki or Bob because of all the attention he gets from Mitsuomi and he has african ancestry, since it's a fact that the earliest records of mankind start in East Africa, so he must be the descendant of the original True Warrior. I could say Nagi is because he can collect all the powers and abilities of the twelve families and he's the main character. I could even say Maya cause of the Amaterasu gate and they did say that even Susa would be defeated by the Shrine Maiden. All in all, everything we saw so far could have absolutely nothing to do with how this story is going to end cause we don't even know when it's going to end.
I'm really starting to rant now.
12-26-2007, 11:06 PM
Re: Who likes Masataka?
Ok, I get what you're saying about people defending their favorite characters. Because to be honest, that was my whole point with people bringing up Nagi whenever someone discusses another character. This thread, as you so cleverly pointed out, was about who likes Masataka and why. It was some Nagi fan who brought Nagi into a thread based on Masataka.
That being said, your whole point about how you could say the other characters you listed as being The True Warrior were simply ludicrous. It simply shows that you're not paying attention to the series, because half of the people you listed contradict the terms of what the True Warrior is supposed to be (i.e. people who have "powers", ex: red feathers). And the other half of them that you listed as possibly being the true warrior because of name relation or nationality (Kagesada and Bob) was just plain ignorant.
The moral of this rant is, if you say you don't like Masataka's character based on your aformentioned reasons, then 1) take a look at your old posts and realize that you have also done the exact same thing with Nagi, and 2) don't get involved in a thread that is clearly based on Masataka. Because then you set yourself up to be exposed to that kind of thing, and it also makes you a little hypocritical.
12-27-2007, 12:25 AM
^Wow, I don't think you got the point he was trying to make at all.
12-27-2007, 07:13 AM
You're right. I probably did say something about Nagi before, but I do read the manga frequently and you have to take into consideration that no one really knows cause you never know what's going to happen next. I mean who expected Bunshichi to just take Maya's unconscious body twenty chapters ago? Also, you have to understand that sometimes everyone changes their mind. In the beginning, I didn't like Mitsuomi but now, I kinda do. The whole I was saying was that we don't know how Oh! Great is going to turn this story. At first, it was more about Souichiro and Bob becoming strong, but then we learned more about why everyone at the school acts the way they do. Masataka might be getting a lot of attention as of late, but we don't know if that willturn into something big or it was just to help develop another character or maybe nothing at all.
Originally Posted by BlackAngel84
12-27-2007, 07:57 AM
vphamv ^Wow, I don't think you got the point he was trying to make at all.
Actually, yes I did get the point of what he was trying to say. I was just trying to stress how overly exaggerated his reasons for listing the other characters as True Warriors are. Granted I do think Bob could possibly be it, as well as Bunshichi or Maya, but not for such reasons as nationality or anything like that.
As for Hadou-kou's post, you do bring up a very good point. Right now we don't know where Oh! Great is going to go with the story at this point. All I'm saying is that it's pretty pointless to dislike a character based on the opinions of others, as you stated for your reason of starting to not like Masataka. And also that even if we don't know how the author intends to end the story, I highly doubt he would have left all of the hints on Masataka that he has so far and not follow through on them.
Now that would be just pretty bad storytelling IMO.
12-27-2007, 09:36 AM
^ Hope you know that I wasn't actually serious when I made up those reasons why Kagesada or Bob being the True Warrior. Everything you said about Masataka is right. He's one of the, if not, the strongest mentally in the entire series and hasn't really lost a fight yet, but where does he grow from there? You have to take some losses to become stronger, not just overall training. Plus, to me, it looks like he's a stronger fighter than his brother was at that age. But then again, you don't see him taking bull charges for training. He's outside the wheel of fate and breaking the wheel of fate might be what the true warrior is supposed to do, but breaking it from the outside might just be the trigger to awaken the true warrior.
If anything, we still haven't seen what ability Kagesada is supposed to have ( And I doubt we'll see him fight again in the series) and Bob hasn't been in a fight since Madoka. Yeah, he lost a lot of blood, but who knows if there was anything else beyond the rhythm thing. Plus, his intuition is usually right and all those hospital scenes with him and Mitsuomi, there was always that weird look he had on his face like something was going on between the two. All the complimentary things Mitsuomi said Bob could do might be something essential or absolutely nothing at all.
I'll stop talking about this after this post (it's getting too much now)
12-27-2007, 05:10 PM
You bring up some very good points in this reply. I agree that Masataka does seem as strong, if not stronger than his brother was at that age. But then again, he's not a superhuman like Mitsuomi currently is, and also lacks the physical stature of his older brother as well. So I think taking a bull charge for training might be a little excessive for him, don't you?
Originally Posted by Hadou-kou
I also agree that more should be done with Bob's character. He definitely is, to me, the character who is being paid the least attention in the series. Granted it's been shown that he has both the physical stature and rhythmic nature that good martial artists/fighters are supposed to possess. But other than that, nothing else has been done on him to show him actually developing any.
And the whole thing behind his weird exchanges with Mitsuomi is that, I believe, he's starting to regret (at least in some part) not taking Mitsuomi up on his offer to nurture his true potential. Being that his best friend and partner Nagi has grown so much in such a short period of time, he obviously feels left behind in some way. Especially being that when the series started, he and Nagi were at least on equal levels in terms of fighting ability. I don't know about you, but it would definitely be interesting for me to see him actually take Mitsuomi up on his offer. I'd very much like to see to what heights he could ascend.
05-16-2008, 05:22 AM
I just have to say that i agree with pretty much everything BlackAngel84 has said. Where have all the Masataka haters gone? still think he isnt the true warrior?
Also, lacking in physical stature doesnt make one weak. Look at bruce lee, he isnt bulky, but he's sure as hell was strong.. also if this were the rule, the girls shouldnt have any chance at all..
It also suits masataka's style, in that he is the 'calm', and i take that as meaning that he doesnt look fearsome or strong, but if he needs it, it's there.. based on what i've seen of his fighting ability though, he's probably the fastest and most agile out of them, so he probably does give up pure strength because of that(it wouldnt be fair otherwise), but he should be still damn strong(based off his training methods, hanging bottles off his legs, smashing craters in walls with one punch..). It also seems like he possesses an internal or soft style of martial arts(waiting for opening and counter, or using opp force/leverage against them), while his brother seems to prefer a harder 'external' style(chopping heads off, force vs force etc ;p), hence the superman look. Of course, these should just be considered their preferences, since they do use both styles at different times(as should all martial artists)
Masataka's philosophy is also the closest to a true martial artists out of them all(apart from Bunshichi of course -_- )
Last edited by ex0; 05-16-2008 at 05:28 AM.
05-21-2008, 08:46 AM
Well since everyone is making huge posts, I'm not going to read.
Yes I like Masataka, he's my favorite fucking character because he's not a douchebag like everyone else is.
And he doesn't get the respect he deserves. Mother fucker needs a female by his side like Nagi does.
06-22-2008, 12:05 PM
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