no, i stated the obvious. they have to fight in the tournament, so they fought the next team in line. how hard is that to understand? and didnt you say that you read this whole series "sporadically" in your other thread? then i gave you the advise of reading it over again didnt I? if you have not even read the whole thing throughly then how can you really say anything about it?
Originally Posted by revel911
how do you know that it might not have something to do with the plot in the future? that girl might be playing an important role that has not yet been revealed yet. if this arc was over, and it in fact did not have anything to do with the main story or anything at all then i can understand you saying that it was pointless, but it hasnt ended so how can you critic something that isnt finished as though it were?
Originally Posted by revel911
Your explanation was a waste of time, take your own advise and stop reading.
Originally Posted by aesir
Well I liked this chapter because this is probably the only chapter that showed Asshat kicking some ass for once but what ruined it was that whole zombie thing with the chick. I mean it would have been nice to have Asshat beat all the guys and won the match, rather then him to have a moment of glory only to have it collapse over some zombie chick. It seems like the mangaka has changed styles in this manga as well as Air Gear, but I like the style in the beginning better.
Last edited by Joachim Dragoon; 04-08-2007 at 06:38 PM.
^ yeah i agree, i didnt like asshat just standing on the sideline doing nothing, even though his arm did get messed up, hopefully next chapter he some how makes a recovery and beats the arse outta that girl.
Everybody should know by now that tenten was about shin, maya, jyukenbu then when downhill, then its all about the art. too bad the writer is still trying to move the story. just draw some fight scenes like the bowling alley or something. or that thing b4 the bowling alley. heeheeheehee
is it just me, or is page 7 a play on the gaijin 4-koma?
Do I have to?
While I can certainly understand your point of view, speaking for myself personally, I find the large number of characters and their complicated and often inexplicable relationships to be part of the fun with TT. It's challenging, and I like a good, gripping story that takes effort to comprehend.
Originally Posted by revel911
I'm currently in the process of re-reading all 103 chapters to date (I'm on 77 currently), and the story makes a _lot_ more sense the second time around. I'm mentally steeling myself before starting into the "ancient arc" -- that's a whole separate story in itself that is going to factor greatly into the events to come.
Two things stand out in focus at this juncture:
1) Souchirou Nagi is a fundamental player who will be instrumental in stopping the impending "100 Years' War". Maya saw this clearly, but in her current condition, I'd say her plans are on hold...
2) It is becoming more and more apparent that Takayanagi Masataka is going to be the "True Warrior" that his brother, Mitsoumi, was supposed to be. Aya's insights into his unique nature (via the Dragon's Eye), Mitsoumi's changing reactions towards him, his performance in battle against Madoka and the resurrected Fu'chien, and his noble behaviors towards Aya all are indications of this. Time and time again we have seen the question appear in TT: "Why Do You Fight"?, and no one has any real, definitive answer, an answer that the "True Warrior" must have. Except for Masataka -- he fights because he loves Aya more than his own life. In this respect, he's a lot like Bob Makihara in respect to Chiaki, and I think that's a big reason why those two became good friends so quickly.
Just my $0.02,
^reading this a second time definitely does help you get a better understanding of whats happening, but i still find it hard to understand the Ancient Arc even after reading it a second time. Plus the whole red feather white feather thing still confuses me.
1) what was Maya's plan exactly, do you mean just to beat Mitsoumi?
2)as for the "true warrior" being Masataka, i wont believe it til i see it. im still thinking there's going to be a twist in the plot for that, and i thought Masataka didnt have a real reason for fighting except for the reason that he wanted to beat his brother. unless you're referring to that dream were he was a shinobi who wanted to protect his Hime(Aya)?
I hear what you're saying about the Ancient Arc, as well as the Red/White Feather bit. I attribute this to my lack of knowledge of the Japanese culture that influences these story elements and the fact that the scanlations themselves can be a bit hard to understand in various places.
FYI, the scanlations I have had MangaTranslation's Fugu Tabetai (with the occasional help from Ki Shodar) doing the work up to volume 74, then volumes 75 to 77 were done by "Evil Genius" Ynot? at Digital Panic. These were pretty good, as far as I could tell. For volumes 78-80, "DANH" at Digital Panic did the work, and from then on Fugu picked up the work again. And some of these, I can't tell who did the work -- there's no attribution at all anywhere. The quality of these vary, and some chapters are better than others, probably due to the fact that the subject matter and the various forms of the Japanese language they are described in can get pretty esoteric, plus maybe the scanlator had a paying job. I ain't complainin' -- I'm thankful for all the hard work these people do.
To answer your questions, and this may get revised as I continue my second reading, my take on Maya is that, yes, initially she was simply intent on not bowing to the Enforcement Groups' authority, in a manner similar to how she went "Katana Hunting" to undermine her bother Shin. Maya seems to be funny that way... But now, with her new awareness of the evil goings-on, power-plays and plans beneath the surface of Toudou Academy, she's after bigger fish now. On the last page of chapter 77, Maya says, ""With the life of Nagi Souichirou, I will end the hundred year war."
About Masataka, I don't just think I'm projecting his success because I like the guy. After his fight with Madoka, evil scumbag Souhaku is sitting alone in his lair watching his charm that animated Fu-chien go up in flames (last two pages of Ch. 74), and sinks to the floor thinking, ""Takayanagi Masataka -- the 'True Warrior'?" I got the impression that Mitsoumi got a similar impression as he watched the fight from his office window. And in that same chapter, as Masataka-san is charging Fu'chien as he's preparing to explode and his life is sorta flashing before his eyes, who's there but Aya: "To protect someone who will protect something until the end, like Senpai." That, I think, is Masataka-san's most powerful attribute, for like I said earlier, he is somewhat unique in being absolutely crystal-clear about Why He Fights.
Two chapters later, he's there for Aya as she walks naked out into the rain, calling Souichiro's name, and he's there to take her back inside after she collapses, an absolute gentleman the whole time. (Yeah, yeah, he peeks at Aya occasionally when the opportunity presents itself, but overall his self-control borders on Sainthood). And what does he say to Aya then: "He couldn't even protect you!"
Moral clarity. It's a good thing, and Masataka has it in abundance.
^yeah ive read those scans before, those 2 groups specifically and tried to find others one the net but nothing was too clear as those to groups.
i remember the thing Maya said about Souichirou now, its just i still dont see a clear answer of what exactly she is going to have him do.
lol. i would have agreed with the Masataka thing, but his lack of self control seems to be the only thing that makes me consider him not a gentleman. =P
the thing i want to know most is whether or not Aya is going to end up like Shin, judging from the last few chapters, i think it was chapter 100 if i remember correctly. She had all those bugs crawl up on her and im not sure how thats working, i thought that it was because the sword consumes her, but it was the Dragon's eye? i dunno. ¯\(°_o)/¯
Well, Masataka's infrequent surrendering to temptation in trying to get a look at Aya just makes him human to me; he'd have to be dead not to take a look once in a while. But when Aya falls naked into his arms, as she has a few times now, he's got complete self-control. Check out the end of ch. 76 and tell me what you think.
Yes, I dunno about what Maya's plans were either, but methinks they might have changed due to the events which followed (not the least of which is Suoichiro getting his scumbad dad's eyeball transplanted). Maybe we'll find out when she awakens from her coma. That's something else I'm looking forward to re-reading again, because from what I remember of her fight with Kagiroi Tetsuhito, her head was beaten into watermelon salad...
About Aya, I sure as hell hope she survives her power; I'll be pissed if Oh!Great let's anything bad happen to her. Yes, those centipedes crawling all over her (ch. 69) do bode ill; my take is that it is the dragon's power within her threatening to overwhelm and consume her -- Reiki exists to help control the power, although that concept seems to have been switched back and forth throughout the story and sometimes Reiki has seemingly amplified/unleashed the Dragon's Eye. It's confusing.
Speaking of confusing, do you have any idea who the heck is depicted in ch. 63 -- "the next leader of the Tsumuji family, the 14th, and now a symbol of madness"? It's some guy who resembles a dessicated corpse with his feet nailed to the floor. I thought Mataza was the "14th (generation)", like all members of "F". Anyway, this bizarre character is given a couple of pages and then not heard of again. Methinks that there is some validity to the complaint about excess characters being tossed into the mix. Whatever the story is there, those Tsumuji's sure are one messed up bunch!