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    you gotta remember that the Ancestral Aya was only 9 years old, the same age as Ichiyou. Also i dont think that she hated him because while she was in her last breath, she was saying Ichiyou's name. Also that lookalike that Jirou had sex with was just a bunch of bugs

    Nagi swore to Mitsumi that he would kill him for killing his father. If this ceremony where all the blood will merge into Nagi goes through, i doubt that Mitsumi would be able to keep up with him.

    All demon exorcist have unlimited KI, that magatarame Maiden that with Souhakou does have a lot of Ki but its not unlimited. The only thing i wish to see is to see Ichiyou fight and to see if that was what sparked Souhakou's interest in the Nagi clan.

    About the whole body exploding thing, that is because Souichiro's black dragon is a really evil dragon. It can literally devour him if it doesn't have anything to eat when Souichirou releases it. You saw how it ate Makiko's arm afte that fight with the Dragon claw kid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost305
    you gotta remember that the Ancestral Aya was only 9 years old, the same age as Ichiyou. Also i dont think that she hated him because while she was in her last breath, she was saying Ichiyou's name. Also that lookalike that Jirou had sex with was just a bunch of bugs.
    Uhm how does that relate to what I said about the mastery of Ryugen? 9 year old Ancestral Aya is much more powerful than the current Aya because she's more proficient with it even though losing it cost her when she took on Souhaku. Aya has stated that she can't exceed Maya's talent for martial arts but Maya states that if Aya can master her eyes the way her ancestor did then her raw power will exceed Maya's but presently she hasn't done that yet but after her spirit jaunt she might. Maya seems to attest to that.

    With that I'm guessing that ancestral karma is catching up to the two. Dragon Voice bitch keeps calling Souchiri Kengo which is the middle name of Ichiyou and he has the same black hair too which makes me think that current Aya and Soichiri are reincarnations of the two.

    Quote Originally Posted by ghost305
    Nagi swore to Mitsumi that he would kill him for killing his father. If this ceremony where all the blood will merge into Nagi goes through, i doubt that Mitsumi would be able to keep up with him.
    That I do agree on, mostly. But OhGreat! seems to be ripping off DragonBall Z's Cell for this which makes me imagine that he will make Nagi lose to Goku-esque power Mitsumi but I don't think either of us have any more credibility than the other to predict what will happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by ghost305
    All demon exorcist have unlimited KI, that magatarame Maiden that with Souhakou does have a lot of Ki but its not unlimited. The only thing i wish to see is to see Ichiyou fight and to see if that was what sparked Souhakou's interest in the Nagi clan.
    I'd like to see why too but otherwise have no explanation to the unlimited Ki thing other than it's a unique feature of the Nagis. My only explanation might lie in that EDIT I wrote in my last post.

    Quote Originally Posted by ghost305
    About the whole body exploding thing, that is because Souichiro's black dragon is a really evil dragon. It can literally devour him if it doesn't have anything to eat when Souichirou releases it. You saw how it ate Makiko's arm afte that fight with the Dragon claw kid.
    I assumed that was a partly a metaphor because Makiko speaks of how the human body is too fragile to handle the powers Souchiro has in addition to stating that the dragon will devour them. One too many metaphors and cultural references I think. It also explains to me why Souhaku chose the steel hard body of Mohawk man as the container for the awesome powers since it was too tough to be to be so easily devoured.

    EDIT: I've read chapters 93 again and I think I realize something about the Nagis and Takayanagis. I think they might actually be true descendants of Izanagi hence why the name nagi is present. OhGreat! seems to have taken liberties in Shinto mythology blending them into a real life form of shinto myth because of one event he describes which actually sounds like the relationship between the Gods Susanoo and Amaterasu however the translators or OhGreat! himself just called Susanoo Susa.
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    I pointed that the ancestral Aya was only 9 years old, to show how slow Aya and Shin were in the Mastery of the Dragon Eye. Aya didn't activate her Ryugan till' she was 15 or 16, she still hasn't mastered it. As to Shin, he could only use it when he was holding reiki and when he finally used it without the reiki he was already 18 and that was when Fu'Chieng had Maya's clothes ripped. I don't think that Aya and Souichirou are their reincarnations, they are the descendants. Past Aya is also Maya and Shin's ancestor and Ichiyou is also Makiko's ancestor.

    It's not really a rip-off from DBZ because Cell was a programmed being that could all the techniques that were known at the time. Plus he use to absorb a whole person. But Tenjou Tenge's Nagi is a more complicated matter. And how can Souichiro lose to Mitsumi when he is the hero(main character) of the manga? so the goku-cell comparison doesn't work since he is the Main.

    Since one of the Nagi abilities is that they can eat other dragons, they have to posess a excessively large amount of Ki to contain all this power, thus they have an Unlimited Ki.

    The Dragon Voice girl called him Kengo because Kengo is the name that the Legitimate successor of the Nagi Clan receives at birth. So my guess is Ichiyou was the successor of the clan at the time. The hair turns Black only when they open their dragon gate. Ichiyou's hair is already black but that doesn't mean he had openned his dragon gate.

    But that Dragon will devour anything. Didn't you see how many powers that mohawk guy had eaten? He could even use the Dragon Palm with which he healed the water dragon dude. If you don't feed the black dragon he will feed on you till there is nothing left of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost305
    I pointed that the ancestral Aya was only 9 years old, to show how slow Aya and Shin were in the Mastery of the Dragon Eye. Aya didn't activate her Ryugan till' she was 15 or 16, she still hasn't mastered it. As to Shin, he could only use it when he was holding reiki and when he finally used it without the reiki he was already 18 and that was when Fu'Chieng had Maya's clothes ripped. I don't think that Aya and Souichirou are their reincarnations, they are the descendants. Past Aya is also Maya and Shin's ancestor and Ichiyou is also Makiko's ancestor.
    And I was pointing out that having a Dragon isn't be all end all but rather a potential waiting to be exploited. I simply used Maya and Aya as an example. I think Fu'Chieng not only had Maya's clothes ripped but had his men rape her off-panel.

    Descendants obviously but my conjecture still holds weight until stated otherwise in one form or fashion. Ichyou could have already mastered his dragon gate to the same level Ancestral Aya could have hence his hair color. Though as to how Ancestral Aya who is dead will pull that off still baffles me, either she has relatives who continue the line which is most likely or she gets healed and revived.

    Quote Originally Posted by ghost305
    It's not really a rip-off from DBZ because Cell was a programmed being that could all the techniques that were known at the time. Plus he use to absorb a whole person. But Tenjou Tenge's Nagi is a more complicated matter. And how can Souichiro lose to Mitsumi when he is the hero(main character) of the manga? so the goku-cell comparison doesn't work since he is the Main.
    Being the main character these days means nothing. Light Yagami in Death Note died in the most disappointing endings I've ever seen in the history of manga. I also forget to mention Buu who eats people and absorbs their powers. OhGreat! is an obvious DBZ fan therefore like many mangaka his work will shown signs of being inspired by Toriyami therefore it is possible to make possible predictions. So far Souchiri has been beaten or bested by Mitsumi in all their encounters though in each time of course Mitsumi has backed off since he doesn't want to kill Nagi. If he's the one to kill Mitsumi in the end is yet to be resolved.

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    Since one of the Nagi abilities is that they can eat other dragons, they have to posess a excessively large amount of Ki to contain all this power, thus they have an Unlimited Ki.
    That's still not a very conclusive reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by ghost305
    The Dragon Voice girl called him Kengo because Kengo is the name that the Legitimate successor of the Nagi Clan receives at birth. So my guess is Ichiyou was the successor of the clan at the time. The hair turns Black only when they open their dragon gate. Ichiyou's hair is already black but that doesn't mean he had openned his dragon gate.
    Are you sure?

    Quote Originally Posted by ghost305
    But that Dragon will devour anything. Didn't you see how many powers that mohawk guy had eaten? He could even use the Dragon Palm with which he healed the water dragon dude. If you don't feed the black dragon he will feed on you till there is nothing left of you.
    Yeah but is it a metaphor is it literally an invisible spiritual creature that's going around eating other dragon spirits or a bit of both?

    This is actually starting to remind me of discussions once held about the Dark Side of the Force funnily enough.
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    You don't have to be Aya's children or the children of her children to Have the Ryugan. The Natsume blood carries the Ryugan. The same goes for the other Red Feathers, if your bloodline traces back to any red feather blood then you have the potential to have red feather powers.

    I thought the same thing about Maya getting raped by Fu'chien's men but I think that he only had them ripped her clothes off just to make it look like that and to anger Shin. They know that anything that involves Maya catches his attention.

    About the Kengo being the name of the legitimate successor of the Nagis, I think that it is definitely mentionned somewhere in the Manga, Im sure of it. His full name is Nagi Souichiro Kengo.

    And about the Dragon thing, i don't think they are metaphor. I don't know how to explain it. And at the same time they are not visible neither.But there is some instance where you can see them, like when Souichirou was done training with Maya for the first and Aya saw it and thought that she was dreaming. She also saw Souichirou's again when his hair turned black for the first time. Then again when Souichirou attacked his allies after the fight with that dragon claw kid.

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    I know about the bloodline thing and never disagreed with that. I'm not sure about Maya being raped or not because they never show it as explicitly as Chiaki Bob's girlfriend. However Maya is shown crying and Fu'Chieng's goons are fiddling with their pants.

    I'll help you look for the Kengo title and check over the dragon thing a few more times but even if it is a real dragon I still wonder over whether or having a body that's hard to break means anything or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deus-Helios
    I'm not sure about Maya being raped or not because they never show it as explicitly as Chiaki Bob's girlfriend. However Maya is shown crying and Fu'Chieng's goons are fiddling with their pants.
    Which chapter was that? I remeber Maya crying but not that last part.

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    Chapter 41. According to Mitsoumi in Chapter 20 Nagi is someone who can manipulate external Ki and draw it into himself creating this distortions in the air. Because of this they have limitless Ki and are thought have an immortal creature dwelling within them that supplies this power though what it is, is not known and these beings are called Demons. Though seems to because they have a tendency to go berserk because of their power. It looks like Shin was also born with this power.

    According to Mitsuomi the Natsumes were once born higher than the Takayanagis at one point then fell and power return to the Takayanagis. Also the Nagis seem to be a fallen family of sorts.
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    Acofc:
    Really, why must the fights with women always start off with clothes getting ripped?


    AAaaannndd whats about that? It makes a good fight even better. Booobbbiiieeesss yeeaaah (has to grow up)

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    Come to think I wonder if OhGreat! is a chauvanist or just a freak. He has a tendency to do homosexual stuff and weird things to the guys too at least with TenTen.

    Tawara's stiffies in strange scenes, Masataka grabbing him by accident, some guy in the past banging an illusion of Aya which is actually a pile of cockroaches *shudders*, Ryuuzaki get ass-raped by a broomstrick. I just don't know any more.

 

 
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