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    That's because Ogure Ito is the enemy of women everywhere! That sick bastard! Anyone who likes his stuff supports rape. Ang guro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKofC
    That's because Ogure Ito is the enemy of women everywhere! That sick bastard! Anyone who likes his stuff supports rape. Ang guro.
    That's the one aspect of him and his mangas that I find the most detestable. Also I hate how shallow and one-dimensional he tends to make his female characters. And because of that I also find him the most detestable mangaka out there. But that doesn't mean anyone who likes his stuff is a male chauvinist who supports rape.

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    Yes it does. A stupid feminist told me so.

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    It's a Seinen manga, not a shounen manga. I didn't here anybody complain when Caska got raped by Griffith in Berserk, When that heartless guy was getting raped as young kid in EDEN, When that doctor Lady got violated by that guy's half-brother in Offered...and so on. It is a Seinen manga and in Seinen mangas there are no boundaries since it is aimed towards an older audience. the best thing about seinen mangas is that they are not as cliche as shounen mangas.
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    Being an adult manga it does break down the cliches more and extends into realism more so than other mangas because of it. I don't mind Caska in Berserk because Guts and Griffith also get raped at points in their lives so it balances it out. It shows gender neutrality by demonstrating that it isn't just women who are victimized but everybody in general. I will admit that in light of the one-dimensional female characters in TenTen there is reason to complain about rape being featured since not all seinen manga must feature rape to qualify. Admitedly I've always felt that TenTen is more like a shounen manga with sub-hentai female characters than a true adult manga since it has a cheesy campiness that's otherwise expected in manga aimed at younger readers. Nonetheless that's one of the reason why I find it a unique and good read.

    Ok maybe some or a lot of TenTen fans are male chauvinists but what about female fans then and the like, if not then it's like saying anyone who likes breasts is a perverted sexual predator or someone who prefers partners younger than themselves is immediately a pedophile. Let's try Angel Sanctuary for instance, a adult manga written by a woman which features lots of rape and victimization of women.

    And doesn't saying "Stupid Feminist" contradict your point? At the very least it sounds hypocritical.

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    All the female fans of TenTen are the commonest breed of feminists, with the usual mustache and the beer-built fat, who always complain about females being deprived of their natural rights while beating their husbands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deus-Helios
    First of all thanks for getting back so fast I'm liking this discussion. Secondly as for your predictions I can't really comment on Masataka and for one thing I have a feeling that Souhaku isn't dead or can't be killed. The flashbacks seem to suggest that one of his magics include necromancy and raising the dead and probably immortality.

    I'll have to examine Maya's fight with Mohawk man a few more times.

    I think status wise the Natsumes are above the Nagis. Amongst the 8 clans of the 8 General the Nagis do seem to be the head however prior to Mitsuomi's coup and before Shin killed most of his family the Natsumes seem second in class to the Takayanagis. That's not to say that they are stronger than the Nagis in the same way the Takayanagis seem to have even less potential than either of them but are still the highest family. My impression was that the Takayanagi family is simply closest to the royal or most noble family and also the richest with the most political clout. I was also under the impression that so were the Natsumes based on the conversations and comments of Old man Takayanagi, my guess is that the Dragon Eye was probably a very powerful tool until it was nearly erased by Shin. I mean think about it that Eye could conquer the stock market if you tried hard enough. Which to me explained the closeness of the two families.

    Maya leads them because she is currently the strongest and smartest. Souchiri while he has his street smarts is still an erratic muscle head who kicks in doors and takes shots to the balls before thinking first.

    Though I generally thought that White Feathers simply had more inherent talent to technique rather a unique power that couldn't be learnt. Though this is just my reasoning as to why those without dragons can develop many different techniques and even counter dragons. That Dragon Voice bitch got her face beaten by Mitsuomi after all. Course that might just be something unique to him.

    So the Demon Exorcist Nagis just have unlimited Ki and aren't really demons but are like demons then? I also want to know if the Ki Maya spent 3 years building up by staying in chibi is still there or gone and what exactly she was going to do with it.
    Yeah i don't think that Masataka like souichirou very much. The only reason is because the woman he ever fell in love with and it was at first sight too, Loves souichirou even though she knows that Souichirou likes Maya and that Maya also likes Souichirou.

    Maya got herself beat up really bad in the fight against the Mohawk guy. It's amazing that she even managed to win that fight. If it wasn't Aya activating the Reiki she would have died.

    i wouldn't say that The Natsumes are higher in status than the Nagis. The thing is the Nagis doesn't show themselves in public that much. The Natsumes only look like they have high status only because Aya, shin and Maya's father was the closest friend of Takayanagi Dougen, the head of the twelve founding families. But the Nagis still technically have more status and more power than the natsumes: remember when makiko wanted to train souichirou, she had all of the other heads of the twelve founding families come too. That enough speaks volume. Now about the white families, even with their techniques they are still inferior in power to the red feathers. That is why dougen was trying to create the True Warrior.

    I think that Maya want to do the same thing that Souhakou did with that Mohawk guy and Makiko. I think she wants to perform the same ceremony. Though i think that Souichirou would be dumb if he really goes through with that.

    I think the reason that Mitsumi was able to escape that Dragon Voice bitch is because of what Shin did to him with that forged needle techniques that accelerated is heartbeat, thus giving him a large amount of ki.
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    Again no comment on Masataka, I'm currently wondering if he'll move on to sword girl or if he'll keep brooding over Aya which puzzles me a little because so far his gotten further with her than Souchiri. He foddled her boobs and she's grabbed his nuts.

    It's explained in that chapter that Mitsumi has mastered in Muken which means No Fist which is basically training one's body, mind and soul to the point where you use your own will to move yourself and not nerves and muscles. It is explained that after a million punching thursts in practice one's will or ki becomes that which moves you. It states that even after ones fists break, one's muscles tear and nerves burn out you'll still keep on thrusting so the Dragon Voice and mind control has no effect any longer. Shin had nothing to do with it. The 3 min power boost because of his heart condition merely increases his speed and strength to superhuman levels even above all other martial artists at the cost of his lifespan. Souchiri has unlimited Ki yet he could still be mind controlled very easily.

    That scene with the Nagi's that you described to me is credible I won't deny that but a bit vague given the circumstances and the desperation of the old family heads after F took over.

    I'm still ambivelant over Maya's fight with Mohawk guy but do you agree that for the moment Maya is stronger that Aya even if Aya could exceed her because of her red feather power? Also Maya cut out Mohawk guy's power eye with her neck-tie.

    Are you implying that Maya wants to use Souchiri to gain red feather powers for herself the same way Souhaku transfered red feather powers from Makiko into that indestructible iron bodied white feather mohawk man? I don't see why she would want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deus-Helios
    Again no comment on Masataka, I'm currently wondering if he'll move on to sword girl or if he'll keep brooding over Aya which puzzles me a little because so far his gotten further with her than Souchiri. He foddled her boobs and she's grabbed his nuts.

    It's explained in that chapter that Mitsumi has mastered in Muken which means No Fist which is basically training one's body, mind and soul to the point where you use your own will to move yourself and not nerves and muscles. It is explained that after a million punching thursts in practice one's will or ki becomes that which moves you. It states that even after ones fists break, one's muscles tear and nerves burn out you'll still keep on thrusting so the Dragon Voice and mind control has no effect any longer. Shin had nothing to do with it. The 3 min power boost because of his heart condition merely increases his speed and strength to superhuman levels even above all other martial artists at the cost of his lifespan. Souchiri has unlimited Ki yet he could still be mind controlled very easily.

    That scene with the Nagi's that you described to me is credible I won't deny that but a bit vague given the circumstances and the desperation of the old family heads after F took over.

    I'm still ambivelant over Maya's fight with Mohawk guy but do you agree that for the moment Maya is stronger that Aya even if Aya could exceed her because of her red feather power? Also Maya cut out Mohawk guy's power eye with her neck-tie.

    Are you implying that Maya wants to use Souchiri to gain red feather powers for herself the same way Souhaku transfered red feather powers from Makiko into that indestructible iron bodied white feather mohawk man? I don't see why she would want to.
    Nah but Masataka got that far with her only by mistakes. But i still think she has gotten farter with Souichiro. they kissed, remember? And she was naked too, on top of him.

    Right now, since there is an internal battle going on in the twelve founding families, so we can't really say who has more status than who. But if we were to go On the supposed structure, Takayanagis would be head of founding families and head of white feathers, and the nagis would be head of the red feathers and junior head of the founding families. I think the Natsumes are more like the Takayanagis retainers but still they have lower status than the Nagis. But the current generation is not following the rules on how things whould be, they do what they want and follow who they want while forgetting who have more status than who. Everything kinda went into disarray when Mitsumi threw the coup d'Etat and came into power with the Help of none other than Souhakou who was also responsible for the previous one.

    But I think Souhakou has his own reason for doing what he is doing. He knows what and how the white feathers really see the red feathers so he is trying to change by going at it the wrong/right way. He doesn't care what he has to sacrifice. But what really bothers me is why and how did he come to choose the demon exorcist's clan to execute his plan. I'd like to know if it was when he faced Nagi Ichiyou in the past.

    About The Mohawk guy, even if he was able to use the Nagi's dragon gate, he is not a true Nagi so all the dragons he ate where stored in the Eye which belongs to makiko who's a true Nagi. If it was Souichirou or Makiko all the powers wouldn't have come out like that since their blood can merge with other blood(other dragons could become theirs).As for the Mohawk guy only the Eye contained the blood of Nagi.

    If it's only Martial Arts without Aya using her Dragon Eye, then Maya is stronger than Aya. But if Aya should activate her dragon gate then she would be stronger than Maya. See, that's exactly the edge that the red feathers have over the white feathers. But even if Maya doesn't have red feathers powers she is still part of a red feather family, the only thing is she has no powers But it's kind of like the same thing when comparing red feathers and white feathers.

    I don't know if Maya want to perform the same ceremony but she asked Makiko if she could borrow her son's life so I guess maybe she is thinking of the same thing. But one thing i know, the house where Souhakou was and where Souichiro is, is the Main House of the Nagis(demon exorcists). it contains a lot of their History.
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    You seem very supportive of Soichiri going head to head with Masataka. Are you like me itching for a rematch between the two since the last time techniqueless Soichiri got his ass handed to him by a well trained Masataka?

    There doesn't seem to be answer as to who has more status Nagis or Natsumes so let's drop that for now. I doubt it'll ever be answered though.

    I'd like to see what Maya had in mind when she asked Souchiri to give himself to her. Besides something ecchi that is. Which I'm guessing it's seriously not.

    The Dragon Eye is a lot like the sharingan, it's dependant on the proficiency of the user. At the moment she's like a two tomoe sharingan user so it still makes her inferior to Maya even if she uses it. She's not like the ancestral Aya who could mind control and cast illusions with her Ryugen. Even with the Dragon Eye she couldn't beat Mitsuomi and she couldn't even keep up with the father of the Dragon Claw boy. Which shows that it's still limited with her current mastery of it. Still her potential I know is greater even than Maya, she states that.

    Speaking of which I wonder how exactly anyone hopes to beat Mitsoumi in his current state since it seems as though he was practically built as a dragon killer. Maya seems to have an odd sort of confidence to it though which makes wonder about her a lot.

    I betcha that in the past the Nagi's Dragon Fist has always had the power to steal other powers and he used it to steal the Amaterasu gate from that princess giving his bloodline infinite ki which is why Souhaku took sudden interest in them. Still that does have one of helluva drawback in that those with so much ki tend to explode because of it.

    EDIT: My theory is that the Nagis and Takayanagis are actually at odds with each other but forced to co-exist by royal decree in the past. Though this is mostly speculation there is the word nagi in both surnames much like how Iza is in Izanagi and Izanami which leads me to believe that Takayanagi and Nagi were once the children and possibly siblings of the original founding family of the ancient bloodline that founded the rest and that Takayanagi was born first but without powers while Nagi was born second but with all other powers however this power was split from generations of breeding. Which explains why a true blood Nagi can absorb all other dragon powers but not martial arts techniques. Which might be what Souhaku and Old man Takayanagi are up to.

    EDIT2: You know what OhGreat! has a bad habit of paying out/paying homage to lots of other series especially Dragonball which makes me wonder if he didn't plagiarise Naruto. Because the power scheme between the Nagis and Natsumes are starting to resembling Naruto and Sasuke a lot.
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