this is a great series...
even if you dont like the plot(which i think is amazing) you have to respect the artwork, which is fantastic in almost EVERY block
this is a great series...
even if you dont like the plot(which i think is amazing) you have to respect the artwork, which is fantastic in almost EVERY block
Well... plotwise, it's very simplistic: main hero gets superspecialuniquepowerofdoom and it may devour him. Heigh ho. Hoe dramatic and uncliche.
The artwork is fantastic... but hey, artwork can be great, but you can still hate it, you know. I like the artwork. So what? I hate the series. Deal with it.
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there are some who like this and someother who dont... deal with it...
i like the manga very much, but hate the tv series a lot... it has forum because its good manga according to those who like it, stop being such an ass over other people's hobby !! if you didnt like it just beat it ! stop kicking us and said "its bad manga, its bad manga" WTF !! you're not my MOM !!!! get A LIFE !!
I got a lot of that but due to multiple translation groups getting a go at it I got a little lost I didn't know about the difference between white and red feather families. Thanks. I don't suppose you have a list of the different all the different families of the red and white feathers and the list of their unique dragon gates? Also the Takayanagi family is the head of white group of clans?Originally Posted by ghost305
It's a seinen manga for adult men, what did everyone expect and clothes getting ripped off is actually surprisingly not as prevalent in this series as in other series though wearing skimpy outfits or no clothes at all is very prevalent? This does not include the few times female characters have had their clothes ripped off by men who rape them or try to rape them. Still this is one of my most favourite series and at the very least it has the best artwork around.
Although what does piss me off about this series personally is that all of OhGreat's books always have quite the number of character rapes and not really a satisfactory amount of come-up-ance, the only real pay-back that was really seen was that fire-guy getting a broomstick stuck up his ass. My most hated scene was when Maya got beaten by that random other character Shin helped her beat even though she's supposed to be one of the most bad-ass fighters in Japan and when she got beaten and raped by the minions of that weak-ass electric Taiwan dude. I can say the same for Burn-Up and Airgear.
Yes the Takayanagi are the heads of the flying phoenix twelve founding families. The flying phoenix is composed of red and white feathers. They are also the head of the white feather families. Nagi is the head of the red feathers and junior head of the 12 founding founding families. Also that Aya from the Past doesn't really hate Ichyou because right at her death, she was calling his name and they are both 9 years old.Originally Posted by Deus-Helios
Although Maya is suppose to be a good fighter, she is not one of the best, remember back in the Shin arc, she was actually pretty weak. The is although she is from a red feather family, she doesn't have any red feather power, thus no dragon gate. She can't even use Reiki which only reacts to Aya's ki. That is how she was able to use it back against the mohawk dude, her sister Aya channeled her Ki to the Reiki.
Some red feather powers:
Ishyumi ............Water dragon
Natsume ............Dragon eye
Nagi ............Dragon fist
Tsumuji . .............Dragon claw
Hotaru ................Dragon Palm
**Note that the name of the manga also means Heaven and Earth. Souichirou right now is only channeling through the earth dragon which could end up devouring him, He could also become a dragon of heaven only when he has someone he truly loves and that he wants to protect. I think that's where the name Heaven and Earth(Tenjou Tenge) originate from. Coincidently enough, the True Warrior has both heaven and earth.
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Ok so Takayanagi family is the founding family does that simply mean that they are the ancestral family (which often tends to be what it means) or simply the royal family that preceded over the others like the old Scottish clans or like the Houses in the novel Dune? I ask because I went to a school like that.
With the ones you gave me that's only five though. If there are twelve I'm guessing that the french bread hair chick who shrinks her fat is one of the white families. The Iron body dude is a red family and then we have the sword-wielding family (white) and the guy with sunglasses (red I guess) who doesn't get much panel time. And that girl with awesome kicking power who was captured without her panties who likes Nagi. I'm assuming she's a red feather since she has something to steal whatever it is.
F are the children and grandchildren of 8 Generals who were part of the 12 Phoenix families with a number of "mutant" red feathers. By my count though there are most likely 9 red feather families that seem to have been counted above and 3 white families. The 9th being that girl who could mind control people who got her nose broken and teeth knocked in by Mitsoumi. The 3rd white family would then be Takayanagi unless they're not counted which makes me wonder where Souhaku stands in all of it though I'm not sure if you could call his power magic or a dragon gate. That would get 12.
Then we also have that Amaterasu gate that cancels all other gates though given that Amaterasu was supposedly the Matriarch of the Japanese royal family line and various noble families I'm guessing that girl must be the early member of that ancestral clan. What do you think?
Then there's also Elements: Wood, Fire, Water, Earth and Metal that play into it. My database got wiped so I need to download all the chapters again and look into it bette.
So we've got. Red Feathers:
Ishyumi ............Water dragon (Makes water bullets)(Water element duh)
Natsume ............Dragon eye (Clairvoyance)(Dunno)
Nagi ............Dragon fist (Powerful punch, steals Dragons?)(Looks like Earth with electric powers)
Tsumuji . .............Dragon claw (Slices anything)(Wood?)
Hotaru ................Dragon Palm (Heals wounds)(Don't know either)
Mohawk guy..........Iron body (Extremely high iron content with a steel hard body)(Metal)
Souhaku's sub-commander....Dragon Voice (Controls minds and bodies)
Sunglasses guy (Maybe)......Not known but Soichiri ate him anyway.
Kicking girl without underwear (Maybe)....Not known either but got eaten anyway.
Takayanagi...None (Makes me wonder what makes them so special, raw talent?)
Souhaku? (No powers but a lot of cool magic)
Hey did the Natsume family take over the role of Junior head family from the Nagis? I get that impression in the flashbacks.
Also there seems to be lots of other families. Fat girl says that her family has been rivals with that lanky dreadlock samurai Aya beat the crap out of for generations. That might take the number over 12 though. I'm under the impression somewhat that OhGreat might have gotten lost somewhere.
The Dragon Fist, the Black Dragon and being a Demon Exorcist are they all interrelated and how? Also Maya mentioned that someone with a dragon has infinite ki, how does that work out at the moment?
Maya is disappointingly weak especially in her early life, she knocks around a lot of characters and is supposed to be on par or close to Mitsuomi yet she still gets thrashed a lot. Still I like these two characters best because they look cool and there strengths are natural and purely from their own hard work rather than some weird magic rituals and lots of external enhancements. Mohawk dude technically cheated since he had that eye from Nagi's mother, all those weapons to help him out. Well except for Mitsoumi's heart condition.
But what I want to know is who the real wielder of Reiki is, if someone with a Dragon Gate can't use it without going nuts and despite what Maya kept saying Reiki still assumed its true form with her as the wielder and that was after Aya ran out of power which was when Maya sliced Mohawk guy in half yet Souhaku says that the sword girl is the better choice. It's confusing.
Then again I've never been able to work out who is stronger than the other especially between Shin, Mitsuomi and Tawara. Tawara basically owned Shin and Mitsoumi at the start like they were pansies then Shin owned Mitsoumi with one punch then Mitsoumi delivered massive pwnage to Shin then Shin went nuts and pwned Mitsuomi, plus Tawara, plus everyone else in between after his girlfriend Mana got axed. Really confusing but somewhat more realistic that there isn't a single super character that can't be beaten. Then we have that random teacher with no hair and an X scar on his head that seems even tougher than everyone else!!
***I think that based on what Old Man Takayanagi was talking about that Soichiri represents the Earth Dragon while Aya represents the Heaven Dragon but no one knew which one he was until after his hair went black. Based on what he says even later I'm guessing that Aya is the Heaven Dragon and that they'll either complement the other or in a more literal sense they will create a more powerful child. That seems to be the philosophical difference between Old man Takayanagi and Souhaku, Souhaku uses magic to unnaturally move Dragon Gates while Takayanagi seems to prefer using natural means to make it happen. But both seem to think that the only way to do this is to reunite the scattered "feathers" one way or another.
The Mohawk guy is not part of the red feathers, you gotta understand all of the red feathers have dragons. That mohawk guy was only able to use the power of the demon exorcist only because he had Makiko's eye implanted in him.Originally Posted by Deus-Helios
The takayanagi are the head of the twelve found families of the flying phoenix. Being the head of the Head families doesn't mean that they are the strongest. They belong to the white feather families and have no dragons(powers). This is why the white families hate and fear the Red feathers. The nagis are the Junior head of the 12 founding families of the flying phoenix. They are the head of the red feather families. They are Superior to the Natsumes in Power and in Rank.
The nagis who are demon exorcist, all have unlimited Ki, only them. Their dragons can eat all of the other red feathers'dragons and gain all their abilities. So far, souichirou's dragon has eaten three.
The Reiki wasn't activated by Maya but by Aya. Aya has the Ryugan(dragon eye) so she can see everything, she even found out that Maya likes Nagi. she also was watching the fight between Maya and that mohawk guy. With her Ryugan she activated the Reiki which only responds the a Ryugan wielder(dragon eye). To maya the Reiki is like a regular Katana.
Shin's depandance on the Reiki cost him big. before he couldn't activate his Ryugan without the Reiki. He was able to activate it when he saw Maya's clothes ripped. Out of Tawara, Misumi and Shin, Shin is the strongest. You saw how he almost killed everybody during his fight with Mitsumi. And Mitsumi wasn't the one who killed shin, Shin killed himself with that girls needle.
About the Dragon of Heaven and the Dragon of Earth thing, Makiko had told Souichirou that he can be either one. Only when he finds someone that he loves and want to protect that he will become a dragon of Heaven.
I was aware of the eye which is what I mentioned before so that means that Iron Fist and the Iron Body that made Mohawk guy practically invulnerable is just a physical mutation then not a Dragon then? If so would that make this fellow part of a seperate clan group or a white feather? If that's the case then I wonder what are the 12 families though I'm guessing the 8 Generals must be the Red Feathers and only those 8. Though I'm still questioning that because he sword girl who doesn't seem to have a Dragon yet appears to be a descendant of the 8 and there are several clans that may or may not be part of it.Originally Posted by ghost305
With Red Feather powers does that mean that a Dragon is responsible for the Dragon Gate powers and everyone must therefore have Dragon added to it thus we have Dragon Palm/Claw/Fist/Eye/Voice and Water Dragon and that Demon Exorcists have Demons inside of them which are different which give them the unlimited Ki? I think that's the conclusion I came to before. Also I think Souchiri devoured 4, he has eaten Dragon Claw and Water Dragon, he took the Dragon from the kicking girl and also beat the crud out of the F member with sunglasses though it's not stated what he took from him since it happened off panel.
Where do the Natsume's stand then? I'm trying to work that out from Old man Takayanagi's comments and actions.
With regards to Maya and Reiki how would you describe then what happens when Reiki transforms into its true form then? Just the casing binding its true sharpness shattering then? I'm aware that it was Aya who resurrected Maya with Reiki I'm talking about after that and when Aya passed out and Maya offered her life to it then it suddenly shattered and became that new blade which sliced Iron boy in half. Reiki responds to the Ryugan but only Maya can wield it without being corrupted and possessed by it which makes me wonder about who is the so-called true wielder of it that Maya speaks of.
I know Shin killed himself with Mana's needle so he could die with her because he was in love with her. But before that Shin was getting knocked around really badly by Mitsuomi because he wasn't using his Dragon Eye and just his own strength unless I missed something. Although of the three I'm guessing Tawara is the weakest though I wonder who is stronger Maya or Tawara since he seems very strong yet claims he's weaker than her and he doesn't even train at all. Presumably.
I'm aware of the unknown component of Souchiri at a time but after his hair turn black and he started channeling lightning through his feet and the air he was confirmed as the Black Earth Dragon. Now my question is if it's possible that Aya is the Heaven Dragon? This is because in one chapter Old Man Takayanagi explained that in his plan people with powers would be drawn to other people with powers and it would create a ripple effect awaken more powers all over the world with the goal to awaken the greatest power ever. To help explain this we see shadows of people gathering together to demonstrate this and in middle we see Souchiri and Aya. Early on Maya herself even states that the likely reason why Aya is attracted to Souchiri is because she can sense his power through her Dragon Eye which leads me to believe that she's the Heaven Dragon. Which goes with the idea of the Tenjou Tenge true warrior.
Different from the other red feathers, Demon exorcists are the most special and most unique powers amongst the red Feathers. I don't think it's possible for people without red feather blood to awaken though. Right now, Nagi is in the process of having all of the red feather blood merging with in him, This is triggered by Souhakou's death. His plan is to have all the red feather blood into one. The demon exorcists are the only one suited for that.Originally Posted by Deus-Helios
I don't think Souichirou will go back to Jyuukenbou. Although estranged from him, he is really mad at Mitsumi for killing his father.
I think at that moment Aya didn't really passed out, you can say she was somewhere else, her spirit or something like that. If you go back to read the chapters you'll see her image next to maya's. She is the one who activated Reiki's true form.
About the Natsume's status, i think they are under the nagis. Which is why i find it hard that Nagi is following Natsume Maya's orders while they should have the one following his since his status and power are above theirs. That is one mistake you can say that Oh Great! did by not having him lead them.
I think that down the road, Masataka and Souichirou will be ennemies. And his only motive will be jealousy, he is in love with Aya but Aya only sees Souichirou in her mind. When Souichirou was kidnapped by his father, he was a little happy about it, he even realized it himself.
Demon Exorcist doesn't really have demons inside them, but they take the form of a demon to exorcise demons. They have an unlimited Ki, way more than any other red feathers. The other red feathers do have a monstrous amount of Ki but it's not unlimited.
First of all thanks for getting back so fast I'm liking this discussion. Secondly as for your predictions I can't really comment on Masataka and for one thing I have a feeling that Souhaku isn't dead or can't be killed. The flashbacks seem to suggest that one of his magics include necromancy and raising the dead and probably immortality.
I'll have to examine Maya's fight with Mohawk man a few more times.
I think status wise the Natsumes are above the Nagis. Amongst the 8 clans of the 8 General the Nagis do seem to be the head however prior to Mitsuomi's coup and before Shin killed most of his family the Natsumes seem second in class to the Takayanagis. That's not to say that they are stronger than the Nagis in the same way the Takayanagis seem to have even less potential than either of them but are still the highest family. My impression was that the Takayanagi family is simply closest to the royal or most noble family and also the richest with the most political clout. I was also under the impression that so were the Natsumes based on the conversations and comments of Old man Takayanagi, my guess is that the Dragon Eye was probably a very powerful tool until it was nearly erased by Shin. I mean think about it that Eye could conquer the stock market if you tried hard enough. Which to me explained the closeness of the two families.
Maya leads them because she is currently the strongest and smartest. Souchiri while he has his street smarts is still an erratic muscle head who kicks in doors and takes shots to the balls before thinking first.
Though I generally thought that White Feathers simply had more inherent talent to technique rather a unique power that couldn't be learnt. Though this is just my reasoning as to why those without dragons can develop many different techniques and even counter dragons. That Dragon Voice bitch got her face beaten by Mitsuomi after all. Course that might just be something unique to him.
So the Demon Exorcist Nagis just have unlimited Ki and aren't really demons but are like demons then? I also want to know if the Ki Maya spent 3 years building up by staying in chibi is still there or gone and what exactly she was going to do with it.