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    Default need advice to build my new desktop

    Oblivion coming soon, i'm getting ready to buy a new desktop (the one i have now as 3 years and a half, and was built to be good yet cheap )

    it's the same now : i don't want to spend a lot on it... 300 would be the max "a priori"..
    -> no state of the art products that cost 1 year of work

    by example, in a thread about graphic cards, jyuu spoke about 6800 GS, but for 220 euros >> i wouldn't have much left for the proc and motherboard ^^

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    the main questions are :
    beside particular products, what are the technologies of today ?? i don't want to be outdated too soon, so i better be up to date ^^
    is it PCI express for graphic card ?
    my hdds are IDE (i think... is it the same as ATA ?), is serial-ATA really intersesting/effective ?? does it exists better interfaces ?

    i have an atlhon XP 1800+ (1.55 Ghz) as my proc, is it really too slow now ? it has run well... until now at least
    (i assume my geforce mx440 is indeed outdated ^^')

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    ps : if you really think that another more expensive product is worth the price, don't hesitate to say it

    thanks

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    Can your computer no longer do something that you need? Why do you want to upgrade?

    Your not going to get much for that price. $100 or so for the Processor, $100 for the MoBo, RAM... $50 to $100, Video Card is $50 to $100, and you still need Hard Drives, a DVD burner, possibly a case and fans, etc. It adds up fast.

    Take a look at what you have, and see what you can keep. I'd stick with the processor you have (doesn't sound that bad to me), and if you have a DVD burner and large hard drive(s), check them off the list. See what you need and head over to Newegg or tigerdirect to start looking at prices and reviews. Research your choices to make sure there is no conflicts or outstanding cases of 'pieceofshititus'.

    Personally, with that amount of money, I would blow $50 on some more ram and call it good untill I had a little more saved up. I mean, its entirly possible, but I don't know how much of an improvement your going to get. Unless prices are really different in Europe.

    In aswer to your questions, PCIe is the new one, and you can get some decently priced PCIe cards now. As far a SATA goes, I don't know much about it. There are some improvements, but I don't know if I would bother to buy all new drives for it (there may be a converter though). Only really nice thing I have seen with them is that they often have built in RAID controlers to work with them, and they hold more than 4 HDs most of the time.
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    okay.. letme ask you the most important question here

    what are you going to use the computer for.. are you going to be using it for wordprocessing like things or are you gonna use it for 3d intensive gaming.


    The reason i ask is that a word processing computer can be built for under $500 american. A good 3d gaming machine will run you up in the 1500-2000 american range.

    let us know more what you want to be able to do with the system and we can help you out better.

    (i'm working my way to building a pentium extreme edition dual core processor but i'm looking at $1000 cdn just for the cpu )

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    Most likely Shautieh's building it for gaming as he's mentioned Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. However Shautieh, I think you're being naieve if you think 300 euro will get you a new PC, unless you are upgrading your current one. Even that's stretching it a bit

    I have no idea what the specs for Oblivion are but I doubt that it's graphics intensive like FEAR or Quake 4. I think a single 6600GT will do fine, but the GS is more bang for your buck. PCI Express offers more bandwidth than AGP but currently released cards like the Radeon XI800 still make use of AGP.

    For a CPU you'll need an AMD 64 bit CPU at least like the Athlon 64. The Semprons won't be up to snuff and the Athlon 64 X2 and Pentium D dual core CPUs are way over budget. Though I do suggest waiting for the new Orleans core (3500+ and up) for the Athlon 64 as it will support DDR2 RAM, which you'll also have to factor in. Though I think 1GB of existing (if you have) DDR RAM should be fine

    For the motherboard definitley get one with NForce4 SLi capabilities (SKT 939 for Athlon 64). Just in case you decide another 6600GS is in order

    SATA IMO is overrated. There's a miniscule increase in transfer rate. That's it. Though it does free up you IDE connectors for extra optical drives removable racks etc

    All up for just the mobo, CPU and video card, you're looking at about 450 euros

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    .. as i said, oblivion is coming ! ^^

    it's a game which is supposed to take a lot of memory and overall power, even if the caracteristics to run it well are not out yet

    so the video card is a must have...
    i don't know yet if my proc will be enough, but i assume that with a good video card, my proc will have less work...

    my computer cost me 300 euros 3 years ago, arn't the prices have lowered since then ?? (for the same category of product..)

    too bad all informations i can give you is what i remind, because right now i'm at my parents house with my laptop, and my desktop is 200 kms away ^^'
    but i would put almost all the money on GC and RAM if you think the proc is still enough... (far cry runs on it... not very well and the colors are fucked up, but it works :P ... and with a good GC it should work perfectly ^^)
    .... also, if for the GC PCIe is a must have, i'll change the motherboard too... but if there are good cards than can replace my mx440 without changing the MB, i'd keep it like that ^^ (unless PCIe makes things 50% better... which i doubt........ i'm not at 5% close)
    idem for the HDD, i don't intend to change them now, but if i have to change my MB maybe there are some models that allows ATA and SATA... so i better ask before buying one


    cd and dvd are not on the change list
    maybe a sound card, but it doesn't urge ^^

    all suggestions are welcome



    Quote Originally Posted by char siu bao
    For the motherboard definitley get one with NForce4 SLi capabilities (SKT 939 for Athlon 64). Just in case you decide another 6600GS is in order

    SATA IMO is overrated. There's a miniscule increase in transfer rate. That's it. Though it does free up you IDE connectors for extra optical drives removable racks etc
    oki for SATA ^^ one thing less to change

    are 64 bits CPU really good ?? there are not much softwares that are made for that... and the gain is not really great for others.... (>> maybe if oblivion is optimised for 64 bits... )

    for the RAM i have 512 mo and will buy 1go more ^^.. that should be enough

    Quote Originally Posted by char siu bao
    currently released cards like the Radeon XI800 still make use of AGP.
    is this kind of GC really outdated ?? if they release it nowadays, it should work well no ? (even if maybe not as good as PCIe GC...)
    if the difference is not too big, i'd stick with what i have...
    i really need advices here (i don't want my system to be outdated too soon ever... >.> lol)

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    A good ASUS Socket 939 Motherboard.
    AMD Athlon FX 60
    2GB RAM (Preferably OCZ Platinum)
    Nvidia Geforce 7800GTX 512MB or ATI Radeon 1800XT
    Creative X-Fi Fatal1ty FPS
    WD Raptor 10 000 RPM HDD
    A 19" LCD monitor with a latency 8ms or less.


    That should give you enough power to run TES 4: Oblivion quite smoothly at 1280x1024 at maximum graphics, physics and audio settings.


    Edit: A good audio processor is important since withouth it, you might suffer a 10-25fps drop.

    Edit 2: YOU HAVE TO BUY A NEW MOTHERBOARD. If you have a Geforce 440, then you have a PCI-only motherboard. PCI is not enough now. You need AT LEAST AGP. The fastest AGP video card is the ATI Radeon X800XT PE, but it won't be able to run TES4 at playable framerates even on medium settings at 1024x768.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jyuu
    A good ASUS Socket 939 Motherboard.
    AMD Athlon FX 60
    2GB RAM (Preferably OCZ Platinum)
    Nvidia Geforce 7800GTX 512MB or ATI Radeon 1800XT
    Creative X-Fi Fatal1ty FPS
    WD Raptor 10 000 RPM HDD
    A 19" LCD monitor with a latency 8ms or less.
    mmhh... i would call that overkill... for my money at least -_-
    lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Jyuu
    Edit: A good audio processor is important since withouth it, you might suffer a 10-25fps drop.
    .... audio processor which is on the motherboard won't be enough ?? (i don't have 5.1... just 2 crappy speakers... for now )
    if i buy a good motherboard that is..

    Quote Originally Posted by Jyuu
    Edit 2: YOU HAVE TO BUY A NEW MOTHERBOARD. If you have a Geforce 440, then you have a PCI-only motherboard. PCI is not enough now. You need AT LEAST AGP. The fastest AGP video card is the ATI Radeon X800XT PE, but it won't be able to run TES4 at playable framerates even on medium settings at 1024x768.
    oki... then i'll look into PCIe MB and GC.... (unless AGP is a lot cheaper without being too much slower... but anyway it seems from what you all tell me that it's a dying interface, so i'll take PCIe ^^")



    btw, what do you think of (my laptop) :
    Intel Pentium M 1.60 GHz
    ATI mobility radeon 9600/9700 series (512 MB)

    it has some difficulties running AoE 3... so i don't expect to run Oblivion, but the specs seems pretty good to me..
    just the RAM... i really need to add 1 GB ($&%# 2x256 MB )

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    The system I proposed may be expensive, but hey, if you want PC gaming, you gotta spend more than if you played on a console.

    Onboard sound chips are not good since they make use of your processor to process audio, which lowers performance. A dedicated sound card is A LOT better both for performance and for your ears. =P

    AGP video cards are no good for TES4.

    Edit: Sorry, but your laptop is total crap. The Pentium M is great, but 1.6GHz is way too low and a Radeon 9600 isn't good enough nowadays.

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    The X1800 card does not use AGP, only one current-gen card has been released in AGP and that is the X1600 by MSI.
    Jyuu, the GTX 512 and the X1800XT are aimed at two different markets, the GTX 256 would compare better. @___@ Also, the Hard Drive is only relevant toward loading times.
    @Shautieh, you are probably looking for a system like this:
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    ASRock 939Dual-SATA2 (Best for expansion, with both AGP and PCIe)
    AMD Athlon 64 3000+ (Venice, strike balance between performance and price)
    NVidia GeForce 6600GT 256MB (eVGA or XFX, reasonable performance and newest features such as SM3.0 and DX9)
    1Gb Corsair ValueSelect RAM[/code]
    This should cost around 250-350 Euro.
    You can recycle your Hard Drive and Optical Drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinigamiX
    @Shautieh, you are probably looking for a system like this:
    [code]
    ASRock 939Dual-SATA2 (Best for expansion, with both AGP and PCIe)
    AMD Athlon 64 3000+ (Venice, strike balance between performance and price)
    NVidia GeForce 6600GT 256MB (eVGA or XFX, reasonable performance and newest features such as SM3.0 and DX9)
    1Gb Corsair ValueSelect RAM[/code]
    This should cost around 250-350 Euro.
    You can recycle your Hard Drive and Optical Drive.
    k, i'll look into that too ^^ (stupid question : if there are 2 slots 1AGP and 1PCIe on the MB, is it posible to put 2 GC ?? as in SLI or something ?? ^^" )

    i just looked for some prices for the GC, and i have another qustion :P
    http://wvw.monsieurprix.com/hardware...-6600--GT.html
    i thought that GC were divided between nvidia and ati... and there seems to be a lot of builder that do the same things.... what are the differences if it's the same model of GC ?? -_-


    but i've been wondering for a long time now : are branded RAM (like corsair) really worth the price ??
    i mean it's almost cheaper to have 2 GB of random RAM than 1GB of corsair's (even if corsair's are quicker.... but by far ??)


    @jyuu : i thought it was not that bad for a laptop
    >.>

 

 
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