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    Default Reading motherboard specific hard drive format...

    I just fixed my new computer so it FINALLY works, but now there's the problem of moving all the files and programs from the old computer to the new one...The problem is that the old computer is an HP and when you install an OS in this HP the hard drive can only be read from an HP computer, copying all the files using my old computer would take way too long, because it'll be copying for days. Does anyone know of anyway i'll be able to read it in my new computer? Any program?
    it says that the hard drive is not formatted, in my new computer for the HD that i want to copy. Only tell me to use the old computer for copying if you know for certain that it can't be done. There has to be some hack, i was unable to find it so Help me StopTazmo forums

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    Huh... finding out how to turn this feature off is certianly hard to find. Have you checked for a password protection thing in the BIOS setup somewhere?

    I am wondering where this protection is stored? My Dad is of the opinion that it is a CRC issue that the HP BIOS will look past, but a normal BIOS will crap out. The only other thing I can come up with is that it is on the Master Boot Record. Try this: on your old computer, go to a command shell (DOS shell, command line, whatever) and type 'fdisk /mbr'. Actually, on second thought, instead, for windows 2000/XP, pop your windows disk into the drive and go to the recovery console. Once that is up, enter the command 'fixmbr'. This is better command for 2000/XP. Once you do that, exit the counsil and turn off the computer. Take out the drive, and see if the protection is still there.

    Another thing is that copying the hard drive as a whole is generally a bad idea when going to a computer of a compleatly different type, as the hardware is different. Its better to reinstall the operating system on the new system, and all the programs. I know it sucks, but that is the best way to go.

    The best option I can come up with is for you to install the new and old drives into the old computer. Use a partitioning software to make a partition for data on the new HD (I would make two primary partitions, one large one for data, and a smaller one to hold the Operating System... say maybe 10 to 20 GB to allow for programs and SwapSpace; and the OS partition should go first). Copy all the 'data' you got (not programs, unless you know the program settings files, in which case copy them only) to the data partition on the new HD. Once you got all that done, put the new HD into your new computer, and install Windows (if your installing something else, then you require whole different directions) onto the first, smaller partition. DO NOT LET WINDOWS TOUCH THE DATA PARTITION! This way, you should have Windows OS on C:\ and your data on D:\, and then E:\ and so forth will be your CD/DVD drives.

    Partitioning is a bit of a pain in the ass. You have to know the rules and have a good program to do it. I recomend that you go and buy Partition Magic. It is the best partitioning software for working with Windows partitions. If you don't want to buy some software, you should be able to find some partitioning software for free. You may want to look into the Ultamate Boot CD. That has a lot of utilities and programs to use.

    Thats all I can think of for now. See what you can do. Thats all I can suggest.
    Vol~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volvogga
    Huh... finding out how to turn this feature off is certianly hard to find. Have you checked for a password protection thing in the BIOS setup somewhere?

    I am wondering where this protection is stored? My Dad is of the opinion that it is a CRC issue that the HP BIOS will look past, but a normal BIOS will crap out. The only other thing I can come up with is that it is on the Master Boot Record. Try this: on your old computer, go to a command shell (DOS shell, command line, whatever) and type 'fdisk /mbr'. Actually, on second thought, instead, for windows 2000/XP, pop your windows disk into the drive and go to the recovery console. Once that is up, enter the command 'fixmbr'. This is better command for 2000/XP. Once you do that, exit the counsil and turn off the computer. Take out the drive, and see if the protection is still there.

    Another thing is that copying the hard drive as a whole is generally a bad idea when going to a computer of a compleatly different type, as the hardware is different. Its better to reinstall the operating system on the new system, and all the programs. I know it sucks, but that is the best way to go.

    The best option I can come up with is for you to install the new and old drives into the old computer. Use a partitioning software to make a partition for data on the new HD (I would make two primary partitions, one large one for data, and a smaller one to hold the Operating System... say maybe 10 to 20 GB to allow for programs and SwapSpace; and the OS partition should go first). Copy all the 'data' you got (not programs, unless you know the program settings files, in which case copy them only) to the data partition on the new HD. Once you got all that done, put the new HD into your new computer, and install Windows (if your installing something else, then you require whole different directions) onto the first, smaller partition. DO NOT LET WINDOWS TOUCH THE DATA PARTITION! This way, you should have Windows OS on C:\ and your data on D:\, and then E:\ and so forth will be your CD/DVD drives.

    Partitioning is a bit of a pain in the ass. You have to know the rules and have a good program to do it. I recomend that you go and buy Partition Magic. It is the best partitioning software for working with Windows partitions. If you don't want to buy some software, you should be able to find some partitioning software for free. You may want to look into the Ultamate Boot CD. That has a lot of utilities and programs to use.

    Thats all I can think of for now. See what you can do. Thats all I can suggest.
    i actually want to copy the hard drive data if i copy the entire drive into a folder on the new computer say 'HP Files' i can have everything i had on the old drive on the new one...being able to work with that stuff while getting rid of programs that would need to be reinstalled, and reinstall them on the new computer, i already downloaded the UBCD a few days ago, though i havn't checked out it's programs in detail, the thing is that i don't want to copy the files to the new computer and wipe the old drive because i want to keep it as a backup with the old computer staying the same.
    so let me make it easier to understand what i'm saying (confusing myself )
    copying files from old to new - takes up too much space, need the old drive as is for backup
    desired outcome - be able to read the drive as is...you see if i install the OS for the new computer, it won't read on the HP, if i install the OS for the HP it won't read on the NEW.

    what if i do this:
    copy all the files onto dvds - it'd be 3 ~ 4 - format the HP drive for the new computer, so whenever i need it again i reinstall windows for the HP and then replace all the folders with the ones on the Dvds. would that work?

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    I'm still a bit confused. Let me try to get this straight.

    In the end, what you want to do is to have both drives in the new computer, without any data on them, but have the ability to take the old drive out of the new computer and put it back into the old computer and restore the data of the old computer to exactly what it was before you removed the hard drive and whiped it clean. Is this correct?

    To summarize:
    New computer (Before OS install):
    New HD - Clean with no data on it.
    Old HD - Clean with no data on it.

    Old Computer:
    In storage with no HD in it.

    In an Emergency:
    Erase all data and reformat the OLD HD.
    Remove the OLD HD from the New Computer, and place it into the Old Computer.
    Restore all data to the OLD HD as it was before you removed and formated the OLD HD.



    If this is what you are looking to do, then you need to look into imaging. This is where you make a file that is an exact copy of you HD partition. Kind of like a ZIP file on some really good crack. There are lots of programs to do this. The main commercial one is Norton Ghost. I know for a fact (as Ghost 9 is more or less the same as PowerQuest Drive Image, which is what I have and use for this) that with this program you can make a image that is split across multiple CDs and (I assume) DVDs. With this method, you boot off of the program disk, tell it to replace an image, and put in the CDs/DVDs as prompted. When you are done, the HD should be EXACTLY as it was when you made the image.

    Run a google search on imaging or hard drive imaging. You should get some hits. I don't know it there is anything like that on the UBCD, but it wouldn't hurt to look.

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    Note also that this method means that you would not need to reinstall windows or any software. That is why I use this method for backing up my computer. A hell of a lot better than data backup.
    Vol~

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