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    Default Windows Vista - maximum RAM supported?

    Well, I couldn't find the answer I was looking for using the search tool, so here goes.

    I put together a new computer and bought Windows Vista Ultimate (preparing myself for DX10 games ). Unfortunately I was given the 32-bit edition instead of the 64-bit edition, so I'll be returning to the shop to swap it tomorrow. At the same time, I might also get myself an extra 2GB of RAM, depending on the answer to the following questions:

    Can Windows Vista (64-bit) allocate more than 3GB to any application? Or, even if it can't, would it still be worth getting an extra 2GB (bumping my total up to 4GB) for the sake of Vista's higher resource usage?





    In case anyone's interested in the specs:

    Intel Core 2 Duo E6700
    Geforce 8800GTX (768 MB)
    2x 1GB GSkill low latency DDR2-1066 Dual-channel kit (extra 2GB pending...)
    Asus P5K Deluxe motherboard
    2x 500GB Western Digital Caviar in Raid 0 (16MB buffer, 7200rpm)
    BenQ FP222W 22inch Widescreen LCD

    Yes, I'm aware of the irony of this motherboard having Crossfire support, but motherboard choices were very limited and I'm very impatient . The HDDs might also be overkill, but they're so cheap now per GB that I couldn't resist.

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    64-bit allows up to 128GB of RAM.

    Why get the P5K though?
    Get the P5K3 and 4GB of DDR3-1600.

    Instead of getting two 500GBs in RAID0, get a single 1TB hard drive. It performs faster.
    If you are still intent on getting two 500GBs, get two YS drives, not the KS.
    I have eight of the YS ones in my two NAS and they are far more reliable than the KS. The YS are enterprise drives that are designed to last longer and run better in RAID setups.
    http://www.synology.com/enu/products/CS407/
    I use the YS drives in these. They are soo useful. Get at least one of those, you won't regret it.

    And get a better monitor.



    Oh and get the Mushkin XP2 8500.

    Ah and I'd rather get an X38 board than the P35.
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    Oh and why the E6700?
    Why not get the Q6600 when it drops to $266 in two weeks?

    Oh and get 2x2GB instead of 4x1GB.

    4 sticks fucks up overclocking on Intel platforms due to the memory controller issues.
    I used to have 2x2GB and was running at 3.6GHz but now that I have 4x2GB, I can only run at 3.4GHz.

    Ah and what case and power supply?
    Get the P182SE and an Olympia 1kW. =D
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    i want to buy me a brand new computer each time i see your messages, Jyuu , even though i understand only half of the words
    I will keep in mind to buy YS hdd next time if they are not too expensive..

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    From what I've read, it looks like only certain versions of windows server OS that can use 4GB memory for Win 32bit.

    http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366796.aspx
    http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366527.aspx

    So is 2GB Dual channel always > than 3GB?
    btw what's YS and KS HDD?

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    it is a product designator for WD hdds, cf http://support.wdc.com/warranty/policy.asp
    YS having a better warranty, though i'm wondering if a standard seagate drive isn't of the same quality as they all come with 5 year (i think)

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    From what I've read, it looks like only certain versions of windows server OS that can use 4GB memory for Win 32bit.

    http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366796.aspx
    http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366527.aspx

    So is 2GB Dual channel always > than 3GB?
    btw what's YS and KS HDD?
    And I just stated that Windows Vista x64 supports up to 128GB of RAM with a memory allocation of 4GB.

    YS is better than KS because they are designed for more heavy-duty uses and to be used in a cluster of hard drives (like RAID).

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    Hey, Jyuu, I thought that the P5K3 only supported up to DDR3 1333?
    http://usa.asus.com/products.aspx?l1...45&modelmenu=1

    I was just curious if you had a way to make it work with higher memory speeds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakko View Post
    Hey, Jyuu, I thought that the P5K3 only supported up to DDR3 1333?
    http://usa.asus.com/products.aspx?l1...45&modelmenu=1

    I was just curious if you had a way to make it work with higher memory speeds?
    Yeah.
    Overclock it back to 1600.

    That's how you make DDR2-(anything higher than 800) work on most "high-end" boards like P5W-DH, P5B, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jyuu View Post
    64-bit allows up to 128GB of RAM.

    Why get the P5K though?
    Get the P5K3 and 4GB of DDR3-1600.

    Instead of getting two 500GBs in RAID0, get a single 1TB hard drive. It performs faster.
    If you are still intent on getting two 500GBs, get two YS drives, not the KS.
    I have eight of the YS ones in my two NAS and they are far more reliable than the KS. The YS are enterprise drives that are designed to last longer and run better in RAID setups.
    http://www.synology.com/enu/products/CS407/
    I use the YS drives in these. They are soo useful. Get at least one of those, you won't regret it.

    And get a better monitor.



    Oh and get the Mushkin XP2 8500.

    Ah and I'd rather get an X38 board than the P35.
    Well, the problem is that in Australia, hardware choice can be pretty limited. I've never seen one shop stock Mushkin, and as I said the choices of motherboard available was very limited. I could have waited for one of the new 680i motherboards, but I was most likely never going to use SLI anyway, and I'm impatient.

    A single 1TB drive is not available in retail shops in Australia as far as I can tell. Also, how would a 1TB drive be able to top 2 drives in RAID 0 when SATA2 has a maximum bandwidth of 3gb/s? Maybe there's something I'm not aware of, but using RAID 0 to increase the bandwidth sounded like the way to go, to me. (unless you were talking about installing a SCSI controller, or something of the like)

    As for the monitor, let me tell you what monitors cost over here:
    22" widescreen: $400
    24" widescreen: $1200

    As much as I really, really wanted to get the 24" version for 1900x1200 resolution and HDMI inputs, NOTHING can justify paying 3 times as much for only a minor increase in size and resolution.

    If you're referring to image quality, and not size, this one is actually not bad. The only one I'm aware of at the moment with better image quality for a similar price is the Dell 22".



    Anyway, thanks for the information about the RAM. I'm about to go stomping off back to the shop to let them know how annoyed I was about not being able to install Vista on my new PC last night and try it out, and get that extra 2GB of RAM while I'm at it.

 

 
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