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    Default Hey Jyuu (or anyone with lots of comp knowledge).

    Whats better, a GeForce 6600 (regular not GT, from leadtek, can't remember the model number) with 256MB of graphical memory, PCI-E, or an ATI Xpress 200 integrated graphics with 256MB of graphical memory?

    The reason I ask, is because my brother is trying to buy a new computer,
    he is currently looking at a HP 7510.
    He insists on having a 19" screen, but the problem is, is that he has a small budget, yet he wants to have a good graphics processor because he is studying graphic design.

    BTW, I have a spare GeForce 6600, so if the 6600 is better than the integrated graphics, I was gonna give it to him (or maybe sell it to him).
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    The 6600 for sure, just look at benchmarks, the 6600 will run circles around the X200...

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    Could you post the benchmarks?
    Thanks.

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    19" monitor = 1280x1024 (or 1440x900 if widescreen)
    At such resolutions, I'd get the 7600GT/7600GS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaLkInStIcK
    Building your comp is cheaper and better...... imo XD
    Wrong.
    Getting a Dell/whatever will be cheaper (as long as you stay within the confines of a non-gaming system).
    The main advantage of building your own system is that you know what you are getting what you paid for and not paying $200 to upgrade from an Intel GMA 910 to a 950.


    Okay, how about I try and see what parts I can put up for you?

    Gimme absolute maximum budget down to every penny and I'll see what I can do.
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    Erm just so you know, my brother is an idiot, he barely knows how to use and maintain a computer, let alone build one (he's gonna have to buy a package).

    Anyway, he insists on having a 19" screen and a gig of RAM. Since he was willing to buy the HP7510, I would assume that his budget is about £600, but the thing is, he is already nearly £1000 in debt before this year's and last year's student loan (he really can't afford to get a computer right now, I'm thinking of lending him my old laptop) so try not to go to far above £500. I can give him my old 6600 so its OK to leave out the graphics card to keep the price down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jyuu
    Wrong.
    Getting a Dell/whatever will be cheaper (as long as you stay within the confines of a non-gaming system).
    The main advantage of building your own system is that you know what you are getting what you paid for and not paying $200 to upgrade from an Intel GMA 910 to a 950.
    true, upgrade on dell or w/e comp. will be a bitch since they will charge you so much for an upgrade, especially memory upgrade.
    I think 2 years ago they charged about $500-800 for upgrading memory from 512MB to 2GB when you can get it cheap on newegg with lifetime warranty for no more than $250-$300, and dell only warrantied their memory for 1 yr to 4 years, depends on the warranty package which means more money coming out.

    98, for dealing with graphic design, more memory is good but you don't really need hard core computer, unless of course you are dealing with editing videos.
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    Graphic design, so definitely photoshop, but there are other programmes that he will need and I can't remember what the are or how powerful they are. I also think there is an animation and a video module on the course.

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    I want to build a gaming comp for myself. My budget is 300-600 canadian, gasp i'm a student i'm poor. Could anybody give me good ideas for the best stuff within that price range?

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    WaLkInStIcK, you're an idiot.

    Guys, from what I have seen him type, this guy hardly knows shit about computers. Just ignore him.

    Reasons:
    He mentioned the 7800, which is currently overpriced (GS, GT, GTX, GTX 512MB) because of the G71 GPUs (7600, 7900) which are faster (I'll get to that soon) than the 7800s.
    The 7600GT is considerably cheaper than the 7800GT and the performance difference isn't really huge (not proportional to their prices).
    The 7900GS is about the speed of the 7800GT and cheaper.
    The 7900GT is a little bit faster than the 7800GTX and a lot cheaper.
    The 7900GTX is faster than the 7800GTX 512MB while much cheaper.

    If you set NVIDIA aside for some ATI cards:
    The 1900GT is faster than a 7900GT for more or less the same price.
    The 1900XT shares the same core as the 1900XTX and you can hence get a 1900XT, overclock it and get better eprformance than a 7900GTX for almost HALF the price.

    Let's turn to the CPU now.
    He mentioned the Pentium 4 3.0GHz (Prescott). As most people know (OR SHOULD KNOW BY NOW), the Netburst-based Intel processors (Pentium 4, Pentium D) are outclassed by the cheaper and faster AMD Athlon 64 series (San Diego, Venice, Toledo, etc).
    Let's consider two cases:
    The Intel Pentium 4 631 (Cedar Mill) 3.0GHz LGA775 vs an AMD Athlon 64 3200+ (Venice) SKT 939
    The Intel Pentium D 930 (Presler) 3.0GHz LGA775 vs an AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (Windsor) SKT AM2

    The test we shall use is UT 2004, which stresses the CPU more than the GPU.

    Case 1:
    http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.ht...=490&chart=167
    The 3200+ gets 73 frames per second and the Pentium 4 631 gets 64 frames per second.
    The 3200+ costs $70 and the Pentium 4 631 costs $170
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103535
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116004

    Case 2:
    http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.ht...=471&chart=167
    The X2 3800+ gets a whopping 86 frames per second compared to the 930's puny 59fps.
    The X2 3800+ costs $160 while you can pick up the 930 for $164.50
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103733
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116238


    Let's go back to video cards for a second now.
    128MB, 256MB, 512MB, etc don't mean anything if the graphics processing unit (GPU) is a piece of poop.
    You can have a 6600GT DESTROYING a 256MB 6600.
    Why?
    Faster GPU (core frequency) and better memory (GDDR3) with higher clocks.



    If you are aiming for a gaming PC, get nothing less than:

    AMD system:
    X2 4400+ AM2
    1GB RAM (DDR2-667)
    7600GT

    Intel system:
    Core 2 Duo E6300
    1GB RAM (DDR2-667)
    7600GT


    Last edit:
    There's no such thing as 1TB hard drives yet.
    4GB of RAM? Don't make me laugh. Windows XP doesn't recognize more than 2.75GB of RAM in 99.999% of cases.
    If it did, I'd be running my 4GB of DDR2-1067 a long time ago.


    Oh and if I find someone who's more stupid when it comes to computer hardware than a drunk monkey, I'll have a ban issued for misinformation that could lead costly useless expenses by other fellow forumites.

    The people who know me well enough by now that I don't waste my time posting such a long reply unless your post fully deserve to be torn into pieces.

    Quote Originally Posted by billy7777
    I want to build a gaming comp for myself. My budget is 300-600 canadian, gasp i'm a student i'm poor. Could anybody give me good ideas for the best stuff within that price range?
    The Xbox360/Wii is your best friend in this case.
    Poor students shouldn't consider PC gaming.
    $1000CAN will get you a 7600GT, Intel Pentium D 805, 1GB RAM and a 19" LCD monitor and that would be only low-mid range performance that won't last long.
    Last edited by Jyuu; 09-30-2006 at 09:28 PM.

 

 
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