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    vphamv is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    I'm not so sure about who would win tbh. Both teams have a history of coming up big when things are down, especially the damned Fisher last .3 or something second shot. D:

    I'm leaning towards Lakers as well, I'd love to see them go back to back wins as champions, but I don't know if they'll pull through. It's all still up in the air imo.

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    I just wanted to take a stab at LJ haters and Boston. I don't even really like the guy that much myself, but he has talent.
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    hmm...i dont think so. The lakers have the advantage of the bench, but you're going a little to far w/ the rest. The spurs just bet a young team or more vigorous team, and now they wont have to contend w/ chris paul. Kobe is one of the best in the nba, but he is given too much credit, he hasnt won w/out shaq and i dont see that changing. There are other players that have done more w/ less "king James" compared to kobe. And when the game is on the line the top two players are on the spurs team: Manu and Big Shot Bob. Coaching you have to go with the spurs, yes jackson has won 9 championships, but what have you done for me lately, okay thats stretching it, i would say thats a push.

    Peterson and Stojakavich didnt have to create, chris paul created for everyone, thats why he is special, he's another guy who's done more w/ less. Duncan, Manu, Parker vs. Kobe, Odom, Gasol, can you really trust the guys on the lakers. Do you go w/ guys who are proven winners or the lakers? Kobe is a winner, w/ shaq. Lakers will be lucky if they go 7.

    Oh, and if karma is a factor its for the spurs, kobe complaining and wanting to be traded early in the season (which i wish the mavs did despite his shortcomings, he's better than dirk) and fishers supposed .3 second shot against the spurs last time.

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    NOOOOOOOOO!!! THE ONE MATCHUP I FEARED FOR LA!!!!

    ^id have to go with mojo on this one. if you wanna talk about age, the Spurs are definitely older(only counting the guys who get any play time at all). and u say Kobe hasnt won without Shaq? where have u been this last season??? Robert Horry is not a top player. he isnt known for anything except clutch shots(and looking like Will Smith-my opinion XD), yet he has more rings and has played in more playoff games than any other person. the world is an amazing place.

    about the previous point of the Lakers not being able to match up: theyre probably way better off than WITH Shaq. Gasol can move around, and with him in the middle, Parker wont be able to walk through the Laker defense. that means no more creating for everyone else, so the Spurs offense takes a hit.

    the thing that worries me is offense. can the Lakers really score against San Antonio? Kobe probably has to hog the ball once again if nobody steps it up..=(

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggonzo5 View Post
    hmm...i dont think so. The lakers have the advantage of the bench, but you're going a little to far w/ the rest. The spurs just bet a young team or more vigorous team, and now they wont have to contend w/ chris paul.
    A young team with no playoff experience at all. A young team that makes mistakes. A young team without a bench to support it.
    Kobe is one of the best in the nba, but he is given too much credit, he hasnt won w/out shaq and i dont see that changing.
    And why not? He has the best supporting cast in basketball right now with Gasol, Odom and Fisher, not to mention one of the best benches in the NBA.
    There are other players that have done more w/ less "king James" compared to kobe. And when the game is on the line the top two players are on the spurs team: Manu and Big Shot Bob.
    Lebron James plays in the East. His team would not have even made the playoffs in the West the past two years.
    And are you forgetting that Kobe is the ultimate finisher? That 100% of GMs want the ball in Kobe's hands taking the last shot, not Manu Ginobli or Robert Horry?
    Coaching you have to go with the spurs, yes jackson has won 9 championships, but what have you done for me lately, okay thats stretching it, i would say thats a push.
    You just defeated your own argument.
    Peterson and Stojakavich didnt have to create, chris paul created for everyone, thats why he is special, he's another guy who's done more w/ less.
    Since the offense revolves around Paul, it's much easier to defend everyone else. Since no one else can create, the defense just focus in on the playmaker, it's much less of a defensive burden than having to be on your toes constantly because each and every one of the Lakers can handle the ball and dish it off for an assist.
    And Chris Paul has a fellow All-Star on his team: David West. Kobe to this day still only has one: himself. So what's this about doing more with less? How about doing less with more? Hornets - Two all-stars - advance one round of the playoffs. Lakers - one all-star - advance two rounds of the playoffs.
    Duncan, Manu, Parker vs. Kobe, Odom, Gasol, can you really trust the guys on the lakers. Do you go w/ guys who are proven winners or the lakers? Kobe is a winner, w/ shaq. Lakers will be lucky if they go 7.
    Kobe is not a proven winner? Gasol and Odom have not proven themselves in these first two rounds? Odom has stepped up big in the playoffs averaging close to 12 rebounds per game. Gasol has flourished in the triangle offense, the Lakers are 22-7 with him in the lineup. Don't forget that Kobe has Fisher, a hardened veteran with whom he has won three straight rings with.
    Are you saying that if the Lakers had Shaq right now they'd win? Shaq is utterly useless at this point, too old and too slow to make a difference. The fresh legs of Odom and Gasol far outstrip anything Shaq brings to the table. The Lakers have not lost at home since March 28, so even if this goes down to a homecourt series, they'll come out on top: game seven is played at Staples Center.
    Oh, and if karma is a factor its for the spurs, kobe complaining and wanting to be traded early in the season (which i wish the mavs did despite his shortcomings, he's better than dirk) and fishers supposed .3 second shot against the spurs last time.
    ...karma never won any games, sorry. This is a moot point.



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    Kobe is not the ultimate finisher, ESPN Page 2 - Simmons: NBA MVP breakdown, Part II
    read the section on Manu. The best finisher is on the spurs and then they have a guy w/ the nickname "big shot," how can you go wrong w/ that.

    And i'm not saying the lakers would be better w shaq, but rather kobe hasnt done anything on his own, and yes they are winning this season, but so are the celtics and no one considers them having a proven winner. Why do you think boston fans are so worried. Kobe, before this year hasnt been out of the first round for what the past 2-3 yrs. Odom, reliable? have you paid attention to his career, he has never been reliable. Gasol has to cover duncan, which that matchup isnt even close. Fisher wont be able to handle parker. And the spurs are the epitome of defense. Lastly, the best player in this series belongs to the spurs: Tim Duncan. Kobe is the best individual player, but this is a team game.

    Regarding Lebron, put kobe in his place and the cavs wouldnt have gone to the finals last year. Kobe doesnt make the players around him better.

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    Kobe doesn't make the players around him better? No? Explain the wonderful seasons every other Laker player has had for the past two years.
    And Lebron is the one who doesn't make the players around him better: they still suck.

    Time and time again, during the big games, Kobe has stepped up to the plate and delivered. Any GM in the league would rather have him shoot the last shot than Manu Ginobli. It's been polled. Horry has a knack for big shots, sure, but he'll get limited playing time if at all against this Laker squad.
    Boston fans are worried because Ray Allen forgot how to play basketball and their Big Three suddenly became the Big Two plus a guy who can't score.
    Odom has been a beast for the Lakers these past two seasons, and he has been consistent, contrary to what you think. Gasol is more than capable of covering Duncan. It's Duncan who won't be able to cover Gasol. Gasol has range and mobility which will force Duncan out of his comfort zone. There is no answer for Odom on the Spurs. The two mobile big men will stretch out the Spurs defense with mid-range shooting opening up the lanes for the triangle offense to work its magic. This is how the Hornets won against the Spurs, they had David West shoot mid-range jump shots. The Lakers have three big men in Radmonovic, Odom and Gasol who can shoot the 15 footer to slice up the Spurs defense.
    Tim Duncan can not make free throws, and if it comes to a free throw contest in the end of the game, who would you rather shoot free throws? Kobe? or Duncan?
    Kobe is comfortable with both taking over the game or running the offense and getting his teammates involved. He's capable of splitting any defense and scoring on anybody. Duncan, on the other hand, is pretty much worthless out past 13 feet from the basket. He's not quick enough to create shots for other teammates, and he won't draw constant double teams like Kobe does.
    Parker thrives on driving into the lane and getting points in the paint. If the Utah series has shown us anything, it's that the Lakers can shut down the painted area. They held Carlos Boozer to six points below his scoring average on 30% shooting. If they can stop such a big man, a little man like Parker would not pose too much of a threat. Parker's jump shot is still suspect and Derek Fisher can handle him the same way he handled Deron Williams. (averaging 4 steals a game during the Utah series)
    And the Spurs have offensive liabilities in Bruce Bowen and Fabricio Oberto, where are the points going to come from? They showed their weakness in February and March, when they couldn't score more than 85 points for a stretch of several games. You can have all the defense you want, but in the end, the team with more points wins the game.



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    Easy win for the lak....i mean celtics. Lakers got lucky with the refs calls at the end of the game. Seems you've underestimated the spurs mojo.


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    Told ya mojo, Spurs will still be a contender. Honestly I won't say they're too old to be playing until it's been proven. Even with the loss yesterday, it's obvious that they won't go down easily if they actually do.

    On a side note, I've been really pissed at how biased all refs have been this season. The league needs to really do something about it cause it's getting out of hand.
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    Nope. Kobe was just toying with the Spurs. Notice how he only took two shots in the 1st half.



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    ^thats what i want to believe too...

    i barely caught the last few seconds of the game. i was at a banquet, where someone commented that the Lakers were down by 20. i told him he was full of shit. but it turns out, it was true O_O.

    i really think the spurs wont be able to defeat the lakers this year. difficult as it is to believe, the Lakers only lost to teams like San Antonio and Detroit in the past because of Shaq. he dont like moving.-_-

    im thinking it ends in 6...

 

 
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