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Let's get to the point. Let's assume that Flag will happen and Harima and Eri will become pair (and I bet lot's of people find it as undeniable truth that it will happen)...
.. Then what ?
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Whoever KJ pairs Harima with eventually will make it work somehow but as far as your question goes, I see Eri and Harima have a sort of Keitaro and Naru aftermath (in the event that KJ pairs them) without the pervert part on Keitaro's end. Still bickering, yet somehow spouse-like.
That I think Harima and Yakumo would be good together? I don't assume that you haven't heard that already.Quote:
If that's all there is to your opinion, then there isn't anything here that we haven't already heard.
But again, you said that it is unlikely for friendship to emerge as love, because of some author you quoted said so. So here are my points:Quote:
If you're dating someone, do you usually introduce them as your friend, or are you more specific?
If friendship becomes love, then it's called love.
1) Friendships can become deep and turn into romantic love
2) Friends can love each other in a platonic level
Harima hasn't crossed the rubicon with Yakumo (or any other girl) yet, but that doesn't mean the possibility is not there. Your arguing that it is, because she is his "friend" and can only stay that. Yet at the same time, Eri who Harima doesn't dislike now, still has that possibility. Double-standard argument.
I believe the last line was, "The one who is fitting for this person isn't me..." and then Yakumo: "It's because Sawachika-senpai is in love with you...". Unless you have a different line or translation here, I don't see the part where she says that she didn't help Harima get back to drawing manga. (The chapter where she dresses up like a mangaka and helps him continue manga)Quote:
It's in the line at the top of the last page.
Yakumo doesn't do anything without Sara giving her orders. If there's credit to be given, it belongs entirely to Sara.
Plato, Love and Friendship. Also, something as intangible and ultimately confusing as love and friendship is hard to support a conclusive statement by using an author's subjective opinion on a matter as complex as love. There is a dilemma there between two friends who make the jump, but that is the case of all love start relationships, even tsundere plots. Saying things like, friendships don't turn into love is also very conclusive and bears no weight.Quote:
I gave you the explanation in an earlier post. Go read any introductory textbook on social psychology if you need further explaination or proof.
You seem to be reiterating what I am saying. Friendships again, are like love but without the sexual attraction. That being said, friendships can be meaningful and if there does arrive a situation where mutual sexual attraction can take place, a friendship can become a romantic love interest.Quote:
No. Friendship does not require a spiritual bond, and you can love someone that you're not sexually attracted to. Familial love is an example of this.
Harima still didn't feel anything for Eri after the rejection, romantically. And where are we at with Harima, at square one, so again, Eri and Yakumo are both the same distance apart from Harima.Quote:
Actually, Harima thinks that he was rejected by Eri, and Eri thinks that she was rejected by Harima.
Yakumo doesn't want a romantic relationship with Harima.
Yakumo just wants Harima to be happy with whoever. That's a self choice, and since the manga isn't over, it can be appealed.
Deredere is too vast and doesn't require personality traits. You start loving, but how many tsundere start loving a person off the bat as well but just don't realize it. Tenma can be classified as deredere, so can Orihime from Bleach and Sakura, but yet they all would be classified differently in subcategories. Orihime in Yamato, Sakura in Tsundere and Tenma in her own little weird Osaka bubble.Quote:
No. By definition, deredere starts dere, and ends dere. Tsundere starts tsun, and ends dere.
I would pose any argument on this manga, since we are talking about this manga, on cause and effect and intent (regardless). Like the latest chapters, Harima jumps out out of a plane. His intent was that he loves Tenma that much. It's a hilarious situation, but it can still be used to back up the point that he likes Tenma.Quote:
You seem to be having difficulty distinguishing between serious moments and comedy. Would you try to pose an argument based on the fact that Harima threw himself out the window of a bus and landed on a truck?
Let me make a bland generalization that refutes that, Harima does care about etiquette, what people think, and generally he is a nice guy (although he is has his flaws).Quote:
Harima doesn't care about etiquette.
That part where Yakumo bumped into Eri and Harima, I must rephrase, wasn't a date. Harima broke Eri umbrella and decided to walk her home. Given the choice between the cat and Eri, he chose the cat. At this point, Harima isn't out to avoid Eri, but if we are talking about intent here, he doesn't subconsiously want to be with her (in a non-romantic or romantic way)Quote:
Harima obviously went on that date with Eri to avoid her.
He had a choice whether or not to choose Yakumo, he struggled with that as well. He ended up wanting to be with her (in a non-romantic way), even though the rumours were killing his chances with Tenma.Quote:
Actually, you'd better reread that part of the manga. He's at the end of his rope because he thinks that people who know him might make fun of him if he asks for their opinion, so he just looks for the first person that he doesn't know.
Feelings like anger maybe, more badass-guy feelings. Crying is different, the way KJ drew it as well was emphasis in a very serious this-is-not-a-msn-funny-crying-emoticon way.Quote:
Harima bears his feelings pretty much everywhere he goes.
Can you refute the fact that Harima, himself seeks her help and her advice and in doing so her company. Remember the hospital scene, it was probably Harima who initiated the meeting, "Did you bring the manga I asked you to bring?". Read that whole scene (its not a fanfic) and carefully listen to who is initiating the questions. It might not be romantic in a way, but Yakumo herself hasn't made a conscious effort to be with Harima. It is usually Harima who seeks her out.Quote:
I've read that in a fanfic once.
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Actually, you were asked whether a relationship like Flag would work in the real world.
I already said her character is archetypical.Quote:
Yakumo's archetype is archetypical? Imagine that.
Naruto--Harima-Ichigo-Gatts-Ikki-Shinji-Manaka-Domyouji-Ichi-etc. Tsundere goes both ways usually.Quote:
Not when the male lead is tsundere as well.
I've never said Harima wanted Yakumo romantically, you have to find that quote for me. Harima hasn't thought of any in a romantic light besides Tenma. And if Harima is burdened by Yakumo that would mean he would care for Yakumo, which means that he would have a conflict of interest.Quote:
If Yakumo has these so called "feelings" for Harima and they burden him, that indicates that he does not want her, which contradicts your earlier claim.
That a choice she made for herself. Unlike Harima rock-hard determination to be with Tenma, that can be changed. We've seen chapters where shes struggled to tell Harima what she thinks. It also compares to the struggles she had in trying to make new friends. She gives up, but that doesn't mean when given the opportunity she doesn't take it.Quote:
It's not that she can't, but that she doesn't want to.
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You should probably try to read what a post says before you try to reply to it.
You said this right? I would disagree and I provided numerous manga evidence that says otherwise.Quote:
I can't think of a single character who has been used more often as a plot device to create a crisis when needed.
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Thanks for the info. Read the topic.
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Let's get to the point. Let's assume that Flag will happen and Harima and Eri will become pair (and I bet lot's of people find it as undeniable truth that it will happen)...
.. Then what ?
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Whoever KJ pairs Harima with eventually will make it work somehow but as far as your question goes, I see Eri and Harima have a sort of Keitaro and Naru aftermath (in the event that KJ pairs them) without the pervert part on Keitaro's end. Still bickering, yet somehow spouse-like.
