Of course, I understand my opinion is subjective, that is the difference. I never came to debate, but since Eri fans usually want everyone to understand how they feel, it will naturally come to a debate. Here's my opinion, I don't think Eri and Harima will work. I think Harima is more naturally suited to Yakumo. That's my opinion, it might not be yours but I don't make it so that this comment is concrete and universal. Saying something like, friendships are harder to turn into love than people who start antagonizing each other and falling in love, and basing it on one author's subjective opinion is a weak and flawed point. Friendships start off naturally nice and form because of common traits and friendliness to each other. Love can not form from the same base?
You haven't used anything other than your own subjective opinion to validate anything that you wrote.
Friendships can't be deep and people who are friends, can't be lovers as well as in love with each other? Friends can't fulfill each other spiritually? Hmm...
At which point we aren't talking about friendship.
Yet you ignore the original chapter where Yakumo dresses up as a manga master and convinces Harima to continue writing manga. And in Ch 216, it says nothing about Yakumo coming to conclusion that she did not bring Harima back from writing manga.
Actually, in Ch.216, Yakumo comes to the conclusion that she isn't the one who will be able to bring Harima back to writing manga
That's a very conclusive subjective statement that bears no evidence. And backing up a very conclusive subjective statement with another person's very conclusive statement would be doing the same thing. Friendships, again, start off with the agreement that you like each other as people and you share some similar traits that lead you to be friends. Love is like friendship but with one trait above it and that's physical and sexual attraction. So far, Harima hasn't shown that to anyone besides Tenma (in a romantic permanent way, not just "hey she's hot"). But even with this, you say that Yakumo is prevented from a relationship with Harima and yet Eri isn't? This is totally double-standard. Don't you remember, Eri already got rejected? Wouldn't romantically, not how much time they spent together, Eri and Yakumo be at the same distance from Harima?
No. The point is that becoming friends with someone can hinder your chances of entering into a romantic relationship with them. If you're romantically interested in someone, it's far better to ask them out right from the onset, rather than waiting to be categorized. In Harima and Eri's case, neither really knows what their relationship is with respect to each other - so that process of categorization hasn't completed itself yet.
This is rationale in your argument that if we are in the same situation as Harima we would tend to like people who kick us in the face and shave our heads more than say, people who help us out and give us advice more?
Well, for starters, you can't make someone like you, whether you're nice to them or not. All I'm doing is explaining a mechanism which explains why people can fall in love with people to whom they are initially antagonistic.
You see, it's polite to say things like, I enjoyed your company, you wouldn't expect him to say, "Ojou, you suck and I didn't enjoy your company". Harima hasn't made a real conscious effort to be with Eri. Actually, the manga contradicts this, he would rather be with a cat than Eri given the chance. He would rather eat shrimp with Tenma than Eri given the chance.
You contradicted yourself completely.
Enjoying someone's company is not grounds for wanting to be with them?
Supervisors are bound to their workers and this is a very poor example. Harima isn't bound to be with Yakumo. He chose to have her help him. He chose to bear his emotions infront of her. He chose to share his dreams. Even if Yakumo herself, wants Harima to be with other people, it is Harima who wants to be with Yakumo. Now, I'm not saying this is romantic in any way, but that is how it is.
A supervisor in a company spends time with his/her subordinates, but that doesn't mean that he/she wants to be with them.
Well, if we stick to the topic of this discussion, we were asked about our opinions on flag ending and I stated my opinion. I don't see how it's as irrelevant as anyone else's.
That only indicates that your original posts were also irrelevant.
And I would argue subjectively that it wouldn't. We don't have no basis to base this on seeing how we both aren't KJ and we both can't see the future.
Nope. The point of this thread is to discuss whether Flag is feasible over the long term.
Actually, in most romantic mangas, all females leads will eventually become deredere, and deredere is too vast a category. If we look at prototypes of female manga tsundere, the Asuka-Naru-Eri-Satsuki-Haruhi-Rukia-Caska-Sakura-Akane-Kagome-etc, all start off pretty much the same way and most of them end up the same way. Yakumo closest comparison can be Aya Toujou, Shinobu, and Aoi. These are the incredibly shy and reserve types. Yamato Nadeshiko can be more like Orihime, Belldandy, Nishino. Out of those three pathways, rarely do authors make the final road to the shy/reserved types. Aya came close but got shafted in the end. And Aoi was basically bound to Kaoru from beginning.
Nope. It probably would have been a good place to look, though.
Actually, if you're going to use the umbrella term 'tsundere', it has to be compared with the umbrella term 'deredere'. Terms like Yamato Nadeshiko and genki are actually subcategories within deredere, just as ojousama is often a subcategory within tsundere.
The vast majority of romantic leads are deredere. They're often very easy to write because of their one-dimensional nature.
My arguement is that, the Asuka-Naru-Eri-Satsuki-Haruhi-Rukia-Caska-Sakura-Akane-Kagome-Azusa-etc are usually the most cliche romance plotlines.
Feelings like jealousy, denial and frustration? Eri had a good chance when she was rejected to tell Harima how she felt but she lied about it. Yakumo feels things for Harima too but she knows her feelings would only burden Harima. I think there are some expressions worth keeping and left unsaid.
That's because Eri expresses her feelings towards Harima. Yakumo spends much more time reflecting on and intellectualizing her experiences.
I can't see why Yakumo can't be Harima's love interest besides the fact that you don't think they can. Right now Harima only likes Tenma romantically so any girl other than her probably has the same equal chance. If KJ goes with Eri, I'll respect his decision, but it's probably the most cliche route IMO.
It doesn't look like you really understand any of what I've written.
Well your original post was saying that you can't think of anyone who causes more conflict than Yakumo and I gave you an example of someone who causes more conflict. If we look at the past, let's see, Eri basically started the conflict with Mikoto because she misunderstood her relation with Harima. Eri started the fight with Yakumo on stage because she misunderstood her relation with Harima. Eri basically started antagonizing her relationship with Tenma because she misunderstood her relationship with Harima. Eri kneed Harima in the face because she misunderstood her relationship with Tae. Need I go on?
didn't say anything of the sort. Since as your original statement was just along the lines of "no... u", it didn't deserve a response.
The word 'conflict' refers to crisis/catharsis, as in the build-up and release of dramatic tension. Perhaps that should help.
Again, this is wonderful debating and all, but it's my opinion that flag ending would be ackward and cliche. You have your own opinions and thats fine, but you know there are other people who read School Rumble have different opinions.