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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    I feel they would fail, based on my experience of such experience - so I want to discuss it, that's why I made a thread about it
    I feel that they won't. My feeling dispels your feeling. Ha!

    Quote Originally Posted by DE
    A cheesy ending would totally kill this manga after the serious nature of the relationships that it's shown. If there will be a Flag ending, lots of things still need to happen after admitting any love and desire to be together. While I have seen that happen in manga, and it usually works pretty well, it's not something I recall being popular in shounen series. I fear that any development in School Rumble will end after the final love confessions and the manga will end (even because the magazine thinks that's the time for it to go, not necessarily because Kobayashi thinks so).
    I agree. That being said, I think that series do better when they stick to either the lead up to a relationship or the relationship itself. The reason for this is if you place too much emphasis on the actual act of the couple getting together, absolutely everything afterward feels anti-climactic (a fairly good example of this is I''s).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    That being said, I think that series do better when they stick to either the lead up to a relationship or the relationship itself. The reason for this is if you place too much emphasis on the actual act of the couple getting together, absolutely everything afterward feels anti-climactic (a fairly good example of this is I''s).
    If SR would be a little more serious manga (and it isn't, but I will still say it), the characters itself could be bothered by that - is it really ok for me to be with him/her. Seriously, I met with such issues, they aren't only from the times of princesses and peasants falling in love... and also Eri looks like a person who wants to meet with her parents expectation, at least with her dad's, which we know nothing about.

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    Yakumo and Harima also remained as friends and colleagues.
    So far, but Harima hasn't shown any inclinations to any one other than Tenma, so it would seem Eri is in the same boat as Yakumo. I'm just showing how different their beginning relationships began with Harima. Usually deep long term relationships form out of friendships, and not in the typical shounen manga form (guy and girl hate each other, then fall in love little by little). Alas, only in mangas can unrealistic expectations of relationships can be formed (like a nerd being surrounded and liked by beautiful women).

    My question is how will Harima like Eri and stay in love with her without the shounen antics. Will they constantly misunderstand and bicker? It seems now Harima is only pulled together with Eri by misunderstandings, rather than Harima wanting to be with her (like him wanting to be with Yakumo in a platonic level of course, and wanting to be with Tenma in a romantic level). Without the typical KJ stunts to pull them together, would Harima accept Eri(as someone he romantically likes)?

    Well If KJ intended it, he will find a way, I just don't see it. Eri fans will of course see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    If SR would be a little more serious manga (and it isn't, but I will still say it), the characters itself could be bothered by that - is it really ok for me to be with him/her. Seriously, I met with such issues, they aren't only from the times of princesses and peasants falling in love... and also Eri looks like a person who wants to meet with her parents expectation, at least with her dad's, which we know nothing about.
    It's fairly clear through a number of examples that Eri isn't interested in class issues. If anything, it's something that makes her feel isolated. While she has shown that she likes to please her parents, she's also matured to the point where she's willing to live for herself, as well.

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    So far, but Harima hasn't shown any inclinations to any one other than Tenma, so it would seem Eri is in the same boat as Yakumo.
    No. Riceball is in the Nice Boat.

    Quote Originally Posted by aulzon
    Usually deep long term relationships form out of friendships, and not in the typical shounen manga form (guy and girl hate each other, then fall in love little by little).
    Deep friendships usually don't become romantic relationships, because it's far too comfortable to stay where you are.

    Quote Originally Posted by aulzon
    Alas, only in mangas can unrealistic expectations of relationships can be formed (like a nerd being surrounded and liked by beautiful women).
    Or the idea that every friendship between a guy and a girl must always culminate in romantic interest.

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    My question is how will Harima like Eri and stay in love with her without the shounen antics.
    Chapter 197-198.

    Quote Originally Posted by aulzon
    Will they constantly misunderstand and bicker?
    What dire perils await our hero and heroine in the next chapter?
    To be continued...

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    (like him wanting to be with Yakumo in a platonic level of course)
    That only happens in OOC WAFF riceball fanfics, you know.

    Quote Originally Posted by aulzon
    Well If KJ intended it, he will find a way, I just don't see it. Eri fans will of course see it.
    You can't see it if you're too busy looking for the Nice Boat.

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    Nice boat... ? Care to explain ? I am quite dumbfounded by that term...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox View Post
    Nice boat... ? Care to explain ? I am quite dumbfounded by that term...
    This is off-topic, but it's a meme that resulted from the last episode of School Days, which didn't air because of an axe murder that took place in Japan the day before. People were expecting to watch the episode, but were shown nature scenes and a boat instead.

    It shouldn't be too hard to find information on it, if you search.

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    Off-Topic: Damn, that makes me want to watch all of School Days now (I only watched up to ep. 3 cause it was pretty boreing).

    Link for the lazy

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    Quote Originally Posted by aulzon
    Yakumo and Harima has a more real feel to them, because they both just started as friends and colleagues. And normally, that's how deep relationships form.
    And even if the flag wins in the end, I bet the "friends and colleagues" relationship would eventually lead to an affair lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyto1984 View Post
    And even if the flag wins in the end, I bet the "friends and colleagues" relationship would eventually lead to an affair lol.
    Riceballers would probably react by turning their OOC WAFF fanfiction in that direction, true enough.

    It's interesting how some people think that Flag's viability is somehow linked to the viability of their favorite Harima x <insert character here> pairing. You're definitely in for a shock, in the instant just after the story ends, when Rinko steals Harima from Karen who steals him from Hanai who steals him from Yakumo who steals him from Tenma who steals him from Lala who steals him from Sara who steals him from Sagano who steals him from Mikoto who steals him from Akira who steals him from...

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    Deep friendships usually don't become romantic relationships, because it's far too comfortable to stay where you are.
    That's your perspective if you read a lot of manga =).

    Chapter 197-198.
    It's pretty shounen-esque, guy stays with hot girl, oblivious to her and they interact pretty much the same.

    Or the idea that every friendship between a guy and a girl must always culminate in romantic interest.
    I've never said limited it to friendships, but it's very unrealistic to think that a guy and a girl hate each other would end up together. But that's manga.

    That only happens in OOC WAFF riceball fanfics, you know.
    Heh, well consider the fact in their past few meetings, usually Harima is the one to initiate contact rather than the other way around. (except for the hospital meeting)

    You can't see it if you're too busy looking for the Nice Boat.
    You can't see the other way if you're in the Typical Shounen Girl-hates-guy-but-really-likes-him Boat =).

    Ultimately KJ will decide this, it's going to be ackward and I feel the most interesting way will be through with Yakumo. Yes, although some people do not agree with this, reading through some of the stuff Eri and Harima go through is very textbook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aulzon
    That's your perspective if you read a lot of manga =).
    It's also an established philosophical standpoint.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Four_Loves

    In real life, the relationship only moves when you make your feelings known. That requires a trade-off: the risk of jeopardizing the friendship vs. the prospect of entering into a romantic relationship. If the friendship is very deep, it becomes far too valuable to risk losing.

    Quote Originally Posted by aulzon
    It's pretty shounen-esque, guy stays with hot girl, oblivious to her and they interact pretty much the same.
    Ignoring, of course, the fact that Harima tells Eri that he thinks that she's pretty cute, and ignoring his cell phone message to her that he enjoyed her company.

    Quote Originally Posted by aulzon
    I've never said limited it to friendships, but it's very unrealistic to think that a guy and a girl hate each other would end up together. But that's manga.
    There's actually a fair amount of psychological evidence that supports it. There are many things that can change your opinions about a person, but they don't necessarily change the intensity of your feelings for them. There's a fine line between love and hate.

    Quote Originally Posted by aulzon
    Heh, well consider the fact in their past few meetings, usually Harima is the one to initiate contact rather than the other way around. (except for the hospital meeting)
    They never had all that many meetings to begin with, and nothing suggests that either one went in with the intention of seeing each other.

    That being said, Harima did fart on Yakumo, so I guess that in Riceball-vision, that amounts to the same thing as territorial marking in animals.

    Quote Originally Posted by aulzon
    You can't see the other way if you're in the Typical Shounen Girl-hates-guy-but-really-likes-him Boat =).
    Every romantic interest is either deredere, tsundere, or deretsun (yandere). Could you be any more all-inclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by aulzon
    Ultimately KJ will decide this, it's going to be ackward and I feel the most interesting way will be through with Yakumo. Yes, although some people do not agree with this, reading through some of the stuff Eri and Harima go through is very textbook.
    Yamato Nadeshiko is the tsundere of the 90's. That's a textbook that's so old that it's out of print.

    Yakumo just doesn't work as a romantic lead. Love comes from emotional expression, not abstract philosophizing.

    She's an excellent Fifth Business, though. Between the Harima and Hanai webs, I can't think of a single character who has been used more often as a plot device to create a crisis when needed.

 

 
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