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    NeoSapien is offline Senior Member Regular
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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    She said that she loves him, didn't she?
    Townsocks corrected his translation of that line. She actually said that it's possible she could fall in love with him for real... though, it's a little late in the manga to be saying things like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    It was similar to reaction he showed after Tougou's words about how Eri is in love Harima. I see the situation like this: Yakumo and then Tougou are telling Harima that Eri loves him, and he desides to "kill" this love. But Eri "beates" him. After her rejection he thought that he was wrong about her feelings, that Tougou's words were crap. And now, this theme shows up again. From the mouth of Eri, no less. His feelings are starting ot mix up again, he is confused. Thus, this look on his face after Eri's smile.
    The problem is that Harima's negative reaction hasn't changed. If Harima is going to fall for Eri, then he should look more hopeful, not disturbed. Compare this to Tenma in 202, who was very eager to properly hear Harima say, "The sweet one is you."

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    There are two explanations to that, a simple one and a complicated one. Simple: Tenma has a certain image of her friends (Eri and Harima), who are "so childish" that she needs to watch them. So she deffinitely was not expecting to see that. Complicated: Tenma has a deep-down buried feelings for Harima, that were awakened by this terrible image. Which one do you like?
    I think that both explanations are part of the truth. The first is probably true, but by itself it isn't interesting enough to drive the story. So what if Tenma's image of her friends was shattered? It's only a misunderstanding that could be cleared up without too much trouble. It doesn't advance the story at all by itself. Harima and Eri will be embarrassed, but they've both been through this sort of thing before, and sooner or later, Tenma will find out the truth and things will go back exactly to the way they were.

    But if Tenma does have feelings for Harima that were awakened by this, then the love triangle between him, her and Karasuma that has been the focus of this arc will be blown wide open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyto1984 View Post
    ROTFLOLTenma must have a really dirty mind to think that was sex. To me, it looks like he's going to shove his fist up her &^%, but then again, I have a dirty mind.
    I think it's what Eri and Harima "said" that was clearly dirty to Tenma. Also, Tenma seemed to have a strong sense of propriety in Chapters 147-148, so I don't think anything would need to be overtly sexual for her to get shocked by it.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    It seems that Harima really was mainly embarrassed about the huge mistake that he made and how full of himself that it made him look. And Eri did lose the surface of her love for him, though the deeper feelings remained and could blossom again in the future.
    Eri hasn't changed much since Chapter 213, actually. Her love is just more mature than it was before; it isn't a mindless infatuation anymore, like Harima, Tenma, Hanai, and most everyone else in the cast seems to have.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    His reaction to Eri's smile wasn't positive.
    Harima's reaction to Tenma's smile in the last chapter wasn't very positive, either. I think the implications of that are far heavier than this. One moment Eri was very angry at him, then mumbled something and told him not to be stupid with a smile on her face. It isn't surprising he'd get confused.

    Also, just the fact that Eri smiled is a positive for Flag after the way Chapter 217 ended. You could say the smile reset the reset in Chapter 217, though few people actually believed Eri lost interest in Harima then.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    The second and infinitely bigger danger is the last page. Tenma was already fully convinced that Harima and Eri were a couple and seemed quite happy about it... until she saw that. Tenma wasn't snooping; she announced herself as she reentered the room. Her primary emotion was probably shock, but it was a negative, gloomy shock. The bottom panel was particularly gloomy, especially when compared with how cheerful Tenma seemed earlier in the chapter.
    I really doubt this would be used to spring Tenma falling, or realizing, that she's in love with Harima. For one thing, a girl seeing a guy putting medicine on a man's ass (even though she doesn't know this) is one of the least romantic scenarios I've heard of. Moreover, Kobayashi just gave Flag some renewed hope in this chapter. Is he really cruel enough to give the majority of his fan base hope, only to dash it?

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    So don't write off the last page. It may not be the quantum leap that forever changes the balance of power between the factions and cements the final outcome... but it probably wasn't a random, meaningless misunderstanding, either.
    I don't think it was random/meaningless, either. Last time Tenma acted like this, she started to get mad at Harima for being a "monkey." This could set up a scene where Tenma confronts Harima for his behaviour quite easily.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien
    I think that both explanations are part of the truth. The first is probably true, but by itself it isn't interesting enough to drive the story. So what if Tenma's image of her friends was shattered? It's only a misunderstanding that could be cleared up without too much trouble.
    Tenma rarely advances the story very much. She's usually used to springboard more interesting dilemmas in other characters, so it would be quite normal for her to have another boring dilemma that makes her do something stupid and starts an interesting arc involving different characters.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien
    But if Tenma does have feelings for Harima that were awakened by this, then the love triangle between him, her and Karasuma that has been the focus of this arc will be blown wide open.
    Since when was that triangle the focus of the arc? There was two True Oudou chapters, then two love-triangle chapters, an Oudou chapter, and now a Flag chapter. Doesn't seem to be focused on anything, though, so you may just be wishing it's focusing on that triangle.
    Last edited by ultraness; 06-07-2007 at 05:14 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Townsocks corrected his translation of that line. She actually said that it's possible she could fall in love with him for real... though, it's a little late in the manga to be saying things like that.
    Well, she loves him. Thats all. Nothing changed.

    "For real" is connected with the line that Eri matured, which means that feelings matured/will mature too.


    Edit: Oi, Ultraness has written pretty much the same here... Though:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ultraness
    Eri hasn't changed much since Chapter 213, actually. Her love is just more mature than it was before; it isn't a mindless infatuation anymore, like Harima, Tenma, Hanai, and most everyone else in the cast seems to have.
    And when Eri's feelings were just a mindless infatuation? I thought that, from the very begining, the lack of fangirlism in her feelings distinguished them from, for example, Harima's.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    The problem is that Harima's negative reaction hasn't changed. If Harima is going to fall for Eri, then he should look more hopeful, not disturbed. Compare this to Tenma in 202, who was very eager to properly hear Harima say, "The sweet one is you."
    If he was hopeful in that situation, that would mean that he is already in love with Eri, not in the process of falling in, since it would be that he wants Eri to love him. I'm not saying that he already loves her, but that his feelings are not that clear as before, when he thought only of Tenma. Now Eri's feelings disturb him, for some reason.

    I think that both explanations are part of the truth. The first is probably true, but by itself it isn't interesting enough to drive the story. So what if Tenma's image of her friends was shattered? It's only a misunderstanding that could be cleared up without too much trouble. It doesn't advance the story at all by itself. Harima and Eri will be embarrassed, but they've both been through this sort of thing before, and sooner or later, Tenma will find out the truth and things will go back exactly to the way they were.
    Exactly, just like it was many times before.

    But if Tenma does have feelings for Harima that were awakened by this, then the love triangle between him, her and Karasuma that has been the focus of this arc will be blown wide open.
    Tenma's feelings were as hard as a rock up untill now. It would be lame for her to suddenly awaken something buried. Gives a taste of mexican soap opera.
    Last edited by reinard-fox; 06-07-2007 at 05:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    And when Eri's feelings were just a mindless infatuation? I thought that, from the very begining, the lack of fangirlism in her feelings distinguished them from, for example, Harima's.
    You're right. I should have said it's even more clear than ever that Eri's feelings for Harima are not due to a mindless infatuation, unlike Tenma or Harima's feelings.
    Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. - Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyto1984 View Post
    ROTFLOL

    Oh my god, (had to spell that one out) that was one of the funniest chapters in a long time. I wonder what exactly was going through Tenma's mind when she saw those silhouettes. I'm mean seriously, what kind of sexual position is that? (assuming that's what she was insinuating)

    Tenma must have a really dirty mind to think that was sex. To me, it looks like he's going to shove his fist up her &^%, but then again, I have a dirty mind.
    lol the funny thing is how that is gonna look like in the Manga

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    hahaha I can see all the rumors to come from here on. LMFAO....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    Harima's reaction to Tenma's smile in the last chapter wasn't very positive, either.

    I think the implications of that are far heavier than this. One moment Eri was very angry at him, then mumbled something and told him not to be stupid with a smile on her face. It isn't surprising he'd get confused.
    Harima had a very intense look after Tenma's smile. I thought that it was quitee positive. If Harima had reacted in a similar way to Eri's smile, the situation would be more balanced.
    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    Also, just the fact that Eri smiled is a positive for Flag after the way Chapter 217 ended. You could say the smile reset the reset in Chapter 217, though few people actually believed Eri lost interest in Harima then.
    True, but one-sided development for Eri is not what needs to happen to advance Flag. 217 may have caused Eri to become more mature, but it hasn't really changed Harima's feelings towards her at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    I really doubt this would be used to spring Tenma falling, or realizing, that she's in love with Harima. For one thing, a girl seeing a guy putting medicine on a man's ass (even though she doesn't know this) is one of the least romantic scenarios I've heard of. Moreover, Kobayashi just gave Flag some renewed hope in this chapter. Is he really cruel enough to give the majority of his fan base hope, only to dash it?
    Possibly. But he might not think of his story primarily in terms of its effect on his fanbase.

    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    I don't think it was random/meaningless, either. Last time Tenma acted like this, she started to get mad at Harima for being a "monkey." This could set up a scene where Tenma confronts Harima for his behaviour quite easily.
    Tenma calling Harima a monkey always meant how she thought that he was two-timing girls. When Harima snuck into Yakumo's bedroom, Tenma was only concerned about protecting Yakumo's honor. She didn't get really angry and kick him out until he appeared to go after her as well and so two-time Yakumo. Now Harima isn't two-timing anyone and unlike with her younger sister, Tenma has no right to object to what Harima and Eri do in the privacy of their, uh, hospital room. If Tenma is unnaturally upset, then that points to an unnatural reason behind her upsetness.


    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    Tenma rarely advances the story very much. She's usually used to springboard more interesting dilemmas in other characters, so it would be quite normal for her to have another boring dilemma that makes her do something stupid and starts an interesting arc involving different characters.

    Since when was that triangle the focus of the arc? There was two True Oudou chapters, then two love-triangle chapters, an Oudou chapter, and now a Flag chapter. Doesn't seem to be focused on anything, though, so you may just be wishing it's focusing on that triangle.
    Tenma and her love life have been the common denominator of the current arc. Her presence in the latest chapter would be quite extraneous if not for the last page, which is what the whole chapter (and perhaps the entire manga) built up to. Tenma has not been successful as a protagonist because she has been kept too static as a character until now. But if Tenma's feelings do begin to change, she will probably take back the spotlight and cease to be a mere catalyst.

    At any rate, it should become more clear next chapter.

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    What was going through Tenma's mind in that moment?

    Goldmember?........~(_o)~

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien
    True, but one-sided development for Eri is not what needs to happen to advance Flag. 217 may have caused Eri to become more mature, but it hasn't really changed Harima's feelings towards her at all.
    Actually, one-sided development from Eri was needed for Flag to advance again after Chapter 217. Now, it's back to Harima again being the problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien
    Tenma calling Harima a monkey always meant how she thought that he was two-timing girls. When Harima snuck into Yakumo's bedroom, Tenma was only concerned about protecting Yakumo's honor. She didn't get really angry and kick him out until he appeared to go after her as well and so two-time Yakumo. Now Harima isn't two-timing anyone and unlike with her younger sister, Tenma has no right to object to what Harima and Eri do in the privacy of their, uh, hospital room. If Tenma is unnaturally upset, then that points to an unnatural reason behind her upsetness.
    Before Harima snuck into Tenma's room, from the second page of Chapter 148:

    "Harima-kun tried to sneak into Yakumo's room at midnight! I can't forgive him for this! In the end he really is a monkey!"

    Tenma calling Harima a monkey is not always meant to show she thought he was two-timing someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien
    Tenma and her love life have been the common denominator of the current arc.
    The focus switched to Harima's love life immediately after he appeared.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien
    Her presence in the latest chapter would be quite extraneous if not for the last page, which is what the whole chapter built up to.
    Her presence is a gag; it's there so that there can be a joke at the end. Likely, that's the only reason it's there. School Rumble is a romantic comedy, lest we forget.
    Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. - Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    Actually, one-sided development from Eri was needed for Flag to advance again after Chapter 217. Now, it's back to Harima again being the problem.
    But wasn't 217 supposed to break Harima's tunnel vision? It apparently hasn't.


    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    Before Harima snuck into Tenma's room, from the second page of Chapter 148:

    "Harima-kun tried to sneak into Yakumo's room at midnight! I can't forgive him for this! In the end he really is a monkey!"

    Tenma calling Harima a monkey is not always meant to show she thought he was two-timing someone.
    Okay. But even if this does make Harima a monkey in Tenma's eyes, she doesn't have any right to object, since she saw Eri going along with it. Tenma isn't obligated to defend Eri's honor as she is with Yakumo. If Tenma calls Harima a
    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    The focus switched to Harima's love life immediately after he appeared.
    And the focus of Harima's love life is Tenma. Even in this chapter, which didn't have to include Tenma at all, she played a significant role. The last three pages were all about setting up her misunderstanding. Tenma has been the central character since 219. Even the election mini-arc began and ended with her and her desire to see Karasuma in plain clothes.

    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    Her presence is a gag; it's there so that there can be a joke at the end. Likely, that's the only reason it's there. School Rumble is a romantic comedy, lest we forget.
    Tenma's reaction wasn't particularly funny. Romantic comedy includes some degree of drama; this could be part of it. Next chapter ought to elaborate on this; if not, it probably was just a gag.

 

 
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