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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Yakumo confessed to Sara, which leaded to her talk to Harima. So i don't see how using word 'confess' in this case is wrong.
    Confessing to Sarah =/= confessing to Harima.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    Confessing to Sarah =/= confessing to Harima.
    I din't mean "confessing her love to Harima", it's more like "confessing the truth to Harima". If it can be said like that of course. In this case: Confessing to Sarah => confessing to Harima.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    I din't mean "confessing her love to Harima", it's more like "confessing the truth to Harima".
    That's called confiding, not confessing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    That's called confiding, not confessing.
    This word fits too. Anyways, what i mean is that conversation with Harima would have been impossible without confession to Sara.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    This word fits too.
    Not quite. Confessing is a much more personal revealing of one's own faults.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Anyways, what i mean is that conversation with Harima would have been impossible without confession to Sara.
    I never disagreed with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    Not quite. Confessing is a much more personal revealing of one's own faults.
    Well, yeah, she never told Harima about her guilt anyways... OK, "confiding" then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    1>Perhaps it was for Yakumo's own benefit. It doesn't matter to me if she was being selfish since she'd be even less likely to end up with Harima or get whatever she wants, if that's the case. I'm not sure why you'd demean her by suggesting she's being selfish.

    2>No. Yakumo just thought that she's not the one for Harima after thinking extensively about Eri, which strongly implies she believes Eri is right. Yakumo telling Harima to do anything else would be out of character for her.

    3>Yakumo didn't confess anything to Harima. Confessing involves admitting you did something wrong.

    4>I think her apparent lack of involvement in the Harima-Eri situation is due to her not appearing in recent chapters more than anything else. It's difficult for a character to express worry when he/she isn't around.

    5>Actually, Yakumo is the one with the rage problems that suddenly strikes people. Yakumo would probably be more worried about what she would do to Eri than what Eri may to do her.

    6>Eri is not Yakumo's enemy. Maybe you should re-read the scene when Yakumo tells this to Sarah.
    Ho ho, getting interesting....
    1> Never said she was selfish..... at least compared to Ojou. Oh yes, dear Imouto-san never turned against people due to jealousy (but then again she probably never had a loved one of the opposite sex, I'll give you that).
    You don't think her emotional conflict is also partly due to her desire to do something for herself? Given her good track record I think she more than deserves it (you expect a perfectly clean slate angel?). Oh I am sure wishing some personal good for Imouto-san is really demeaning.

    2> Ah no. There is no 'right' in this situation, only whats comparatively more 'favourable'. Her giving in to Eri is perfectly within character as Imouto-san can hardly ever consider her own traits to be better than someone else's.
    Once again she looks down on herself leading to a decision which withdraws herself from a situation which she never had the intention to prevail. And I did not suggest her to tell Harima anything, only that if for her to 'follow thru' with that 'confession' would be in support of her determination to match Harima and Eri (which is 'out-of character' like you said).

    3>Ho ho ho, very funny. Confessions involve admitting a wrong? So I suppose 'love confessions' are liable for capital punishment? (I exaggerate but you get the point). I use 'confession' loosely to describe her admittance of her suspicions of Ojou's feeling for Harima because she held back that knowledge (causing the emotional conflict).

    4>......and don't you think her exclusion by the mangaka is also indication of her apparent lack of further contribution to that incident? She relieved herself of a burden, why ruin it?

    5>Rage problems, hmph. After her extremely well behaved track record, I find it perfectly forgivable for her to snap under pressure that ONE time. She's doing it for Tenma, very touching indeed. Plus she feels guilty, can't fault her for that. Now Ojou....hmmmm chronically jealous, leading to insidious acts of mistreatment due to seemingly ambiguous reasons (at Tenma's perspective). If I had to choose, I'd rather recieve an open and honest challenge with clear intentions than suffer insidious needling of a girl for intentions unknown.

    6>I did not state anyone was anyone's enemy. Its just that she indirectly (and unintentionally) did some people a great favour (or ruined it for someothers, hehehe) .

    Oh shoot, on topic....hmmm hmmm:

    The father thing..... to state it as electra complex seems a little extreme. I don't think that Yakumo and Tenma had even been old enough by the time daddy left (died?, disappeared?) to appraise him sexually. That picture book daddy left to Yakumo could be an indication since her initial possessiveness could be due to daddy's already pernament absense from her life. Yakumo desires to share in the life of someone apparently in near resemblance to daddy as a way to fulfil the yearning of knowing the parent thus leading to Harima (but then the daddy issue has not been touched on since so maybe she is now satisfied?) Well, that's more or less what I think but could vary to the rest of you depending on your definition of Electra complex (a deeply incestous sexual attraction or general family attraction? )

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    Yakumo does not have an Electra complex. There was just one scene touching upon the comparison between her father and Harima. And even if she does have some father issues that bear on her relationship with Harima, Yakumo is not the only one. Remember chapter 23?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Yakumo does not have an Electra complex. There was just one scene touching upon the comparison between her father and Harima.
    And even if she does, we have too little evidence to assume it.

    And even if she does have some father issues that bear on her relationship with Harima, Yakumo is not the only one. Remember chapter 23?
    If I recall correctly originally, at the first time the theme of Electra complex appeared, Eri was mentioned too.

    But:
    Eri having Electra Complex => Eri is into man who resemble her father, right? So how does Harima resemble Eri's father?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    And even if she does, we have too little evidence to assume it.



    If I recall correctly originally, at the first time the theme of Electra complex appeared, Eri was mentioned too.

    But:
    Eri having Electra Complex => Eri is into man who resemble her father, right? So how does Harima resemble Eri's father?
    He doesn't, but he was there to help Eri when her father rejected (kind of) her and she asked him the "curry or meat and potato stew?" question, which was related to her desire to make meat and potato stew for her father. So Harima and her father were connected by that episode, sort of.

 

 
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