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    Quote Originally Posted by Weimario-kun View Post
    Yakumo's 'father' thing for Harima aside, wouldn't you think that she sticks around him only because she thinks that he is a good match with her sister Tenma? I don't know whether anyone has said this but her attachment to Harima could stem from a common love for Tenma (as Yakumo is clearly aware of). She seeks to give him some of the best chances to be around Tenma and tried to make him comfortable around Tenma (despite Harima's knack of getting 'burnt' around Tenma, i.e. 'shrimp' chapter.) while defending it against competitors ('Ojou'). Well her giving up turned out somewhat fortunate as her 'rival' suffered a major blow the same time she surrenders.
    If I remember correctly, Yakumo have "given up" on Harima and started to help him get Tenma when he sayed at thier house after New Year. Since then she, as you said, supported this relationship and defended it from enemies. About what was before new year... I'm not quite sure about her feelings towards Harima. Was it love or just frendship and gratitude to the first guy she felt comfortable near....

    We had a discussion on this matters around january i belive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weimario-kun View Post
    Yakumo's 'father' thing for Harima aside, wouldn't you think that she sticks around him only because she thinks that he is a good match with her sister Tenma?
    That's possible since Yakumo has not been seen around Harima ever since she started to think Eri's a good match for Harima.

    Quote Originally Posted by Weimario-kun View Post
    I don't know whether anyone has said this but her attachment to Harima could stem from a common love for Tenma (as Yakumo is clearly aware of).
    Maybe, but her interest in Harima started before she knew he liked Tenma. I think learning his feelings only strengthened an existing attachment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Weimario-kun View Post
    Well her giving up turned out somewhat fortunate as her 'rival' suffered a major blow the same time she surrenders.
    Her "giving up" turned against her because Eri seemed to suffer a blow, and Yakumo appeared to put no effort to stand by her apparent decision in Chapter 216. That ended up greatly diminishing the magnitude of her "sacrifice." Moreover, she didn't seem to do anything to help Harima, who seems to have been "hurt" the most by what she did.
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    just a question though why does Tenma like Karasuma, it seems like for every character there is a reason why they like that person in particular.
    For example Yakumo --> Harima because. I guess his mind was silent and not overwhelmingly loud so to speak in her presence as other guys, love for animals etc.... Imadori ---> Mikochin because ( o ) ( o ) lol
    Eri ---> Harima because that time he kneeled down to her and other little things... but with Tenma----> Karasuma ????? theres got to be a reason.

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    Wow, the first post after the threadsplit is off-topic. For Yakumo to have an Electra complex, she'd need to be liking Harima because of similarities to his father, and we don't know enough about her father to know if this is the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by luisfcayo View Post
    just a question though why does Tenma like Karasuma, it seems like for every character there is a reason why they like .
    We don't know how Tenma fell in love with Karasuma. Kobayashi is keeping this a secret, for now.
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    Thanks for the split

    Well, here is a discussion between Kolox and me that we had on IRC, regarding Yakumo's character, so I'm posting in this thread. I do not recall this thoughts of Kolox being ever posted on this forum,and he can't post them himself, so here they are.
    About chapter 216
    <Kolox> I was sure Flag would win this time :) and it only proved how Onigiri is dead as a faction
    <reinard-fox> yeah, if was ever alive. I'm still not sure about this. Hope KJ will show Yakumo's thoughts at least once or else i won't be able to understand her
    <Kolox> hmm - Yakumo was obviously somehow concious of Harima as a 'man'
    <reinard-fox> yeah
    <Kolox> but she was quite confused about her feelings and she decided to back off because she didn't knew and Harima didn't cared about her that much
    <reinard-fox> the question is just how Swamp said - did she ever want to date him or not. She backed off almost immideately after Ghost appeared for the second time
    <Kolox> that's the whole problem with her :) She felt some 'chemistry-love' but her lack of confidence was stronger. It's what I think that is: she thought she could communicate with him (he was good with animals), then all those random happenings. It was just too fast for Yakumo :)
    <reinard-fox> you mean - her love died without being actually born? Sth like that?
    <Kolox> ...her love died before she even noticed it was love, more like that

    About chapter 226
    <Kolox> i'm reading the discussion thread now - I think KJ won't make any random character to make a pair for Yakumo, that's for sure ..maybe Yoshidayama :D..or not
    <reinard-fox> it will need development and a huge one. Yakumo needs to be influenced by Eri to become more open to be ready for guys or else no pairing will work for her
    <Kolox> so more Bloody Mary chapters ?
    <reinard-fox> no. In BD case yakumo won't accept Eri's infuence changing her. They sould become friends for that. I like Swamps idea for this one
    <Kolox> I kinda can't see Yakumo meeting up with Eri for now - or at least the reason for it. It's not like Eri won't want to talk to her - it's more like Yakumo won't be able to face her for now
    <reinard-fox> yeah, exactly. Thats one of reasons i'm saying this development requires like hell a lot of chapters. It's own arc most likely. I'm not sure if KJ will do this, although i'd like him to do so.
    <Kolox> the problem is - if SR is going to end soon or not ?
    <reinard-fox> yeah
    <Kolox> I kinda see the reason for all those Harima x Tenma chapters - since Karasuma is leaving soon, so Harima have lots of chances to confess and see the result. If Tenma refuses his feelings - Harima might end up with Eri
    <reinard-fox> but - in this case it looks odd for Harima to miss opportunity to confess that hospital gave. Tenma will refuse for sure. It's not like she'll accept him just because Karasuma is not here
    <Kolox> seems that way - poor guy, he tries so hard but it was obvious from beginning :) Tenma will go after Karasuma :D or Karasuma will transfer to the nearby school :)
    <reinard-fox> yeah, seems this way. i'm sure it's the first mange where such obvious efforts are obviously futile
    <Kolox> but is Eri going to try again with Harima ?
    <reinard-fox> I'm sure that yes. We can't be even sure what she thinks about Harima's rejection. She didn't look pained at all. It's starnge
    <Kolox> my theory is that she just got bored with it - but it's obviously anti-flag one :)
    <reinard-fox> seems unlikely. It's not like her - to quit trying just because she can't win
    <Kolox> it would strange if Eri somehow became Yakumo x Harima (or other) supporter of all the sudden :D She doesn't like to lose.. Hmm - it's not like she can't win - she just doesn't want to win - more like that
    <reinard-fox> Doesn't want?
    <Kolox> we don't know - I'm considering Tenma x Eri situation. She almost lost her friend for .. for what ?
    <reinard-fox> it was shock - her clash with Tenma. Thats why she is taking the break
    <Kolox> I just think she doesn't feel like winning anymore - that the price isn't so attractive anymore for her
    <reinard-fox> maybe so
    <Kolox> maybe that's the case - maybe she needs to rethink the situation
    <reinard-fox> yeah. maybe thats why she went to Kyoto - to take a break from her inner war
    <Kolox> ..but even so - Shawn will come back - I'm sure of it !! :D
    <reinard-fox> shawn may appear in the end so that Harima can save her. Shawn is like the first sign of SR ending
    <Kolox> Shawn is the decleration of Flag victory actually.....because Shawn can't win and the only one who can fight with him is Harima and this time Tenma has nothing to do about this, it's only about Eri and Harima
    <reinard-fox> exactly
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    Her "giving up" turned against her because Eri seemed to suffer a blow, and Yakumo appeared to put no effort to stand by her apparent decision in Chapter 216. That ended up greatly diminishing the magnitude of her "sacrifice." Moreover, she didn't seem to do anything to help Harima, who seems to have been "hurt" the most by what she did.
    Ah ah ah....not so fast boya~. Who ever said that her 'sacrifice' was fully intended for the benefit of Eri? You flags are so full of Ojou can you not consider one's actions were perhaps intended for one's own benefit? Or are we still deluding that the universe is still revolving around the dense gravitational pull that is Ojou Pride? Perhaps we should be more familiar with the term 'indirect' consequences. She didn't really suggest to Harima on how to react to Ojou's feeling did she? Her confession was more like: "there, I've said it, make of it what you will but I am not involved anymore" (am I dumbing it down enough for you?) Not like she was telling Harima : "Go date Eri, and make everyone else happy, please" (but of course you'd like for her to mean it like that don't you?). Nor does she apparently seek update on the Harima-Eri situation afterwards because that burden already is out of her hair. Help Harima? Right.....so you think she should get back in a situation where she was trying so hard to leave behind? Help Harima would undermine her intent to leave behind a difficult burden by further infuriating a jealous Eri.
    The fact that she remains nonchalant/ignorant about the whole aftermath of the 217 disaster is further icing on the cake, and depending on who is reading it, could be translated as a bonus against Ojou. Ha ha ha! More humility for Ojou!! I would perhaps feel for her if she had the humility of a normal person but until then......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weimario-kun View Post
    Ah ah ah....not so fast boya~. Who ever said that her 'sacrifice' was fully intended for the benefit of Eri?
    Noone, or at least i didn't mean it like that. As i said after the chapter 216 came out, Yakumo transfered the role of "Harima's strength" from Tenma (who recieved this gift from Yakumo when Harima was staying in thier house) to Eri. Yakumo is gaining from it too - she doesn't feel guilty about her past actions anymore. There is an idiom in russian - "to clean ones' conscience". This is what Yakumo did.

    Nor does she apparently seek update on the Harima-Eri situation afterwards because that burden already is out of her hair. Help Harima? Right.....so you think she should get back in a situation where she was trying so hard to leave behind? Help Harima would undermine her intent to leave behind a difficult burden by further infuriating a jealous Eri. The fact that she remains nonchalant/ignorant about the whole aftermath of the 217 disaster is further icing on the cake, considering it as an unintentional bonus in the war against 'Ojou'! Ha HA! Harima, m'man, go get Tenma!!
    How do you know that she is not interested anymore? It was not that long since her last appearence. Any why would she make herself suffer again just after she left the burden of guilt go?

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    Perhaps we should be more familiar with the term 'indirect' consequences. She didn't really suggest to Harima on how to react to Ojou's feeling did she? Her confession was more like: "there, I've said it, make of it what you will but I am not involved anymore" (am I dumbing it down enough for you?) Not like she was telling Harima : "Go date Eri, and make everyone else happy, please"(but of course you'd like for her to mean it like that don't you?).
    Of couse she never said "Go date Eri!" since she doesn't want to force anyone into pairings they doesn't want - like she did when she decided that Tenma should be with Harima while Tenma never wanted this. She let go of her guilt, cleared her heart, and doesn't want to be hurt anymore.
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    This thread just seems to get more off-topic all the time. I feel somewhat responsible, since one of my comments seems to have unleashed the rage of Weimario-kun.

    Quote Originally Posted by Weimario-kun View Post
    Ah ah ah....not so fast boya~. Who ever said that her 'sacrifice' was fully intended for the benefit of Eri?
    No one did. It would be intended mostly for Harima, if anyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Weimario-kun View Post
    You flags are so full of Ojou can you not consider one's actions were perhaps intended for one's own benefit?
    Perhaps it was for Yakumo's own benefit. It doesn't matter to me if she was being selfish since she'd be even less likely to end up with Harima or get whatever she wants, if that's the case. I'm not sure why you'd demean her by suggesting she's being selfish.

    Quote Originally Posted by Weimario-kun View Post
    Or are we still deluding that the universe is still revolving around the dense gravitational pull that is Ojou Pride?
    Are you still deluding yourself into believing the universe doesn't revolve around Eri?

    Quote Originally Posted by Weimario-kun View Post
    Perhaps we should be more familiar with the term 'indirect' consequences. She didn't really suggest to Harima on how to react to Ojou's feeling did she?
    No. Yakumo just thought that she's not the one for Harima after thinking extensively about Eri, which strongly implies she believes Eri is right for Harima. Yakumo telling Harima to do anything would be out of character for her.

    Quote Originally Posted by Weimario-kun View Post
    Her confession was more like: "there, I've said it, make of it what you will but I am not involved anymore" (am I dumbing it down enough for you?) Not like she was telling Harima : "Go date Eri, and make everyone else happy, please" (but of course you'd like for her to mean it like that don't you?).
    Yakumo didn't confess anything to Harima. Confessing involves admitting you did something wrong. For example, Yakumo confessed to Sarah in Chapter 215.

    Quote Originally Posted by Weimario-kun View Post
    Nor does she apparently seek update on the Harima-Eri situation afterwards because that burden already is out of her hair. Help Harima? Right.....so you think she should get back in a situation where she was trying so hard to leave behind?
    I think her apparent lack of involvement in the Harima-Eri situation is due to her not appearing in recent chapters more than anything else. It's difficult for a character to express worry when he/she isn't around.

    Quote Originally Posted by Weimario-kun View Post
    Help Harima would undermine her intent to leave behind a difficult burden by further infuriating a jealous Eri.
    Actually, Yakumo is the one with the rage problems that suddenly strikes people. Yakumo would probably be more worried about what she would do to Eri than what Eri may to do her.

    Quote Originally Posted by Weimario-kun View Post
    The fact that she remains nonchalant/ignorant about the whole aftermath of the 217 disaster is further icing on the cake, considering it as an unintentional bonus in the war against 'Ojou'! Ha HA! Harima, m'man, go get Tenma!!
    Eri is not Yakumo's enemy. Maybe you should re-read the scene when Yakumo tells this to Sarah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    This thread just seems to get more off-topic all the time. I feel somewhat responsible, since one of my comments seems to have unleashed the rage of Weimario-kun.
    Not at all, since the discussion is about Yakumo. The topic souldn't necessarily be about her father, who we have to little info about anyways.

    No one did. It would be intended mostly for Harima, if anyone.
    Agreed. Harima interpreted Yakumo's and Tougous words as some kind of order. Well Harima is Hariam,as always.

    Yakumo didn't confess anything to Harima. Confessing involves admitting you did something wrong. For example, Yakumo confessed to Sarah in Chapter 215.
    Yakumo confessed to Sara, which leaded to her talk to Harima. So i don't see how using word 'confess' in this case is wrong.

    I think her apparent lack of involvement in the Harima-Eri situation is due to her not appearing in recent chapters more than anything else. It's difficult for a character to express worry when he/she isn't around.
    You said it better then i did.

 

 
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