We had a discussion on this matters around january i belive.
We had a discussion on this matters around january i belive.
Threadsplit. If you don't like the title, tell me and I'll change it.
just a question though why does Tenma like Karasuma, it seems like for every character there is a reason why they like that person in particular.
For example Yakumo --> Harima because. I guess his mind was silent and not overwhelmingly loud so to speak in her presence as other guys, love for animals etc.... Imadori ---> Mikochin because ( o ) ( o ) lol
Eri ---> Harima because that time he kneeled down to her and other little things... but with Tenma----> Karasuma ????? theres got to be a reason.
Wow, the first post after the threadsplit is off-topic. For Yakumo to have an Electra complex, she'd need to be liking Harima because of similarities to his father, and we don't know enough about her father to know if this is the case.
Thanks for the split :)
Well, here is a discussion between Kolox and me that we had on IRC, regarding Yakumo's character, so I'm posting in this thread. I do not recall this thoughts of Kolox being ever posted on this forum,and he can't post them himself, so here they are.
About chapter 216
<Kolox> I was sure Flag would win this time :) and it only proved how Onigiri is dead as a faction
<reinard-fox> yeah, if was ever alive. I'm still not sure about this. Hope KJ will show Yakumo's thoughts at least once or else i won't be able to understand her
<Kolox> hmm - Yakumo was obviously somehow concious of Harima as a 'man'
<Kolox> but she was quite confused about her feelings and she decided to back off because she didn't knew and Harima didn't cared about her that much
<reinard-fox> the question is just how Swamp said - did she ever want to date him or not. She backed off almost immideately after Ghost appeared for the second time
<Kolox> that's the whole problem with her :) She felt some 'chemistry-love' but her lack of confidence was stronger. It's what I think that is: she thought she could communicate with him (he was good with animals), then all those random happenings. It was just too fast for Yakumo :)
<reinard-fox> you mean - her love died without being actually born? Sth like that?
<Kolox> ...her love died before she even noticed it was love, more like that
About chapter 226
<Kolox> i'm reading the discussion thread now - I think KJ won't make any random character to make a pair for Yakumo, that's for sure ..maybe Yoshidayama :D..or not
<reinard-fox> it will need development and a huge one. Yakumo needs to be influenced by Eri to become more open to be ready for guys or else no pairing will work for her
<Kolox> so more Bloody Mary chapters ?
<reinard-fox> no. In BD case yakumo won't accept Eri's infuence changing her. They sould become friends for that. I like Swamps idea for this one
<Kolox> I kinda can't see Yakumo meeting up with Eri for now - or at least the reason for it. It's not like Eri won't want to talk to her - it's more like Yakumo won't be able to face her for now
<reinard-fox> yeah, exactly. Thats one of reasons i'm saying this development requires like hell a lot of chapters. It's own arc most likely. I'm not sure if KJ will do this, although i'd like him to do so.
<Kolox> the problem is - if SR is going to end soon or not ?
<Kolox> I kinda see the reason for all those Harima x Tenma chapters - since Karasuma is leaving soon, so Harima have lots of chances to confess and see the result. If Tenma refuses his feelings - Harima might end up with Eri
<reinard-fox> but - in this case it looks odd for Harima to miss opportunity to confess that hospital gave. Tenma will refuse for sure. It's not like she'll accept him just because Karasuma is not here
<Kolox> seems that way - poor guy, he tries so hard but it was obvious from beginning :) Tenma will go after Karasuma :D or Karasuma will transfer to the nearby school :)
<reinard-fox> yeah, seems this way. i'm sure it's the first mange where such obvious efforts are obviously futile
<Kolox> but is Eri going to try again with Harima ?
<reinard-fox> I'm sure that yes. We can't be even sure what she thinks about Harima's rejection. She didn't look pained at all. It's starnge
<Kolox> my theory is that she just got bored with it - but it's obviously anti-flag one :)
<reinard-fox> seems unlikely. It's not like her - to quit trying just because she can't win
<Kolox> it would strange if Eri somehow became Yakumo x Harima (or other) supporter of all the sudden :D She doesn't like to lose.. Hmm - it's not like she can't win - she just doesn't want to win - more like that
<reinard-fox> Doesn't want?
<Kolox> we don't know - I'm considering Tenma x Eri situation. She almost lost her friend for .. for what ?
<reinard-fox> it was shock - her clash with Tenma. Thats why she is taking the break
<Kolox> I just think she doesn't feel like winning anymore - that the price isn't so attractive anymore for her
<reinard-fox> maybe so
<Kolox> maybe that's the case - maybe she needs to rethink the situation
<reinard-fox> yeah. maybe thats why she went to Kyoto - to take a break from her inner war
<Kolox> ..but even so - Shawn will come back - I'm sure of it !! :D
<reinard-fox> shawn may appear in the end so that Harima can save her. Shawn is like the first sign of SR ending
<Kolox> Shawn is the decleration of Flag victory actually.....because Shawn can't win and the only one who can fight with him is Harima and this time Tenma has nothing to do about this, it's only about Eri and Harima
The fact that she remains nonchalant/ignorant about the whole aftermath of the 217 disaster is further icing on the cake, and depending on who is reading it, could be translated as a bonus against Ojou. Ha ha ha! More humility for Ojou!! I would perhaps feel for her if she had the humility of a normal person but until then......
How do you know that she is not interested anymore? It was not that long since her last appearence. Any why would she make herself suffer again just after she left the burden of guilt go?Quote:
Nor does she apparently seek update on the Harima-Eri situation afterwards because that burden already is out of her hair. Help Harima? Right.....so you think she should get back in a situation where she was trying so hard to leave behind? Help Harima would undermine her intent to leave behind a difficult burden by further infuriating a jealous Eri. The fact that she remains nonchalant/ignorant about the whole aftermath of the 217 disaster is further icing on the cake, considering it as an unintentional bonus in the war against 'Ojou'! Ha HA! Harima, m'man, go get Tenma!!
Of couse she never said "Go date Eri!" since she doesn't want to force anyone into pairings they doesn't want - like she did when she decided that Tenma should be with Harima while Tenma never wanted this. She let go of her guilt, cleared her heart, and doesn't want to be hurt anymore.Quote:
Perhaps we should be more familiar with the term 'indirect' consequences. She didn't really suggest to Harima on how to react to Ojou's feeling did she? Her confession was more like: "there, I've said it, make of it what you will but I am not involved anymore" (am I dumbing it down enough for you?) Not like she was telling Harima : "Go date Eri, and make everyone else happy, please"(but of course you'd like for her to mean it like that don't you?).
This thread just seems to get more off-topic all the time. I feel somewhat responsible, since one of my comments seems to have unleashed the rage of Weimario-kun.
Agreed. Harima interpreted Yakumo's and Tougous words as some kind of order. Well Harima is Hariam,as always.Quote:
No one did. It would be intended mostly for Harima, if anyone.
Yakumo confessed to Sara, which leaded to her talk to Harima. So i don't see how using word 'confess' in this case is wrong.Quote:
Yakumo didn't confess anything to Harima. Confessing involves admitting you did something wrong. For example, Yakumo confessed to Sarah in Chapter 215.
You said it better then i did.Quote:
I think her apparent lack of involvement in the Harima-Eri situation is due to her not appearing in recent chapters more than anything else. It's difficult for a character to express worry when he/she isn't around.