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    eviscerator is offline Member Frequent Poster
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    But Harima is diminishing Karasuma. Instead of being a famous mangaka in his own right, Harima has made Karasuma into his own, possibly junior, collaborator.
    To me it looks more like something Harima thought up on the spot. I don't think he means to do anything other than cover for his presence, since he can't tell the truth.
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    Is not like there are many lie options available to Harima:
    >He is visiting? His stay is not exactly short term.
    >He is Hario seeking assistance from Karasuma like he did with Yakumo and Tenma? Immediately diminishes Karasuma, the host, which is not a good idea.
    >Trouble at home, staying at a friend's place? Awkward questions.
    > I getting back on my feet with Karasuma's help? (truth) Diminishes himself.

    I think what motivated his excuse(lie) was his desire to maintain the image of an equal footing with Karasuma (diminishing himself or Karasuma would be out of the question since he is a guest and his pride would not allow it) as well as alluding to his stay for 'professional' purposes (manga). It is the simplest and most likely reason if you know Harima, enough said. Reading into this any further would be giving both Harima and Tenma more credit than they deserve.

    At this point Harima can only beg Karasuma to play along for the time being, his excuse being the usual recklessness. Karasuma might even concede to pity Harima if he understood how much he admires Tenma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weimario-kun
    Is not like there are many lie options available to Harima:
    >He is visiting? His stay is not exactly short term.
    That's only difficult to hide if Tenma is also staying over at Karasuma's house. What's unusual about visiting a friend for a couple of days?

    For that matter, Harima does have a home that he can come back to. He was the one who left it behind in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by Weimario-kun
    >He is Hario seeking assistance from Karasuma like he did with Yakumo and Tenma? Immediately diminishes Karasuma, the host, which is not a good idea.
    Did seeking assistance from Yakumo or Tenma diminish them? When you take assistance from someone, then you are indebted to them. It only diminishes Karasuma if Harima says that he is giving assistance to Karasuma.

    Quote Originally Posted by Weimario-kun
    >Trouble at home, staying at a friend's place? Awkward questions.
    But questions that people don't ask out of politeness. Simply implying that it is a sensitive matter is an excellent way to ward off any further questions.

    And you haven't even begun to exhaust the list of possible explanations available to Harima. There are plenty of possible working relationships that Harima could have with Karasuma that don't involve the sharing of that pen name. What makes this situation unusual is that he has provided a more complex explanation where a much simpler one would do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Weimario-kun
    I think what motivated his excuse(lie) was his desire to maintain the image of an equal footing with Karasuma (diminishing himself or Karasuma would be out of the question since he is a guest and his pride would not allow it) as well as alluding to his stay for 'professional' purposes (manga).
    Why would he specifically want to allude that he was staying for the purposes of his manga? Doesn't that strike you the least bit suspicious, given that he just split up with Tenma with regards to that very manga?

    Quote Originally Posted by Weimario-kun
    It is the simplest and most likely reason if you know Harima, enough said. Reading into this any further would be giving both Harima and Tenma more credit than they deserve.
    The simplest reason would simply be to say that he was just visiting a friend, as opposed to inventing something that could easily be caught if Tenma knew the slightest bit about Karasuma's manga work. To assume that Harima is incapable of coming up with this sort of trick (which he has also attempted in the past) is to give him less credit than he deserves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    But questions that people don't ask out of politeness. Simply implying that it is a sensitive matter is an excellent way to ward off any further questions.
    Harima probably thinks he'll lose face to say he has problems at home. Understandably we can think of so many better ideas but a) it's Harima, b) he was caught unawares, c) he had all of a few seconds to react.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    The simplest reason would simply be to say that he was just visiting a friend, as opposed to inventing something that could easily be caught if Tenma knew the slightest bit about Karasuma's manga work. To assume that Harima is incapable of coming up with this sort of trick (which he has also attempted in the past) is to give him less credit than he deserves.
    While Harima has tried this kind of trick before, I don't think he could come up this whole plan in the few seconds he had to come up with something to say. Yes, visiting a friend is a good reason, but maybe he just didn't think of it. Like I said, he only had a few seconds to think.
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    Visiting a friend and staying over isn't the same - she would easily find out.

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    well, a simple idea strike my head this last day before release of a new chapter.

    Karasuma is the love rival of Harima. but it's obvious that Hige can't surpass him in anyways, that Tenma should recognize. so~~ the Harima last idea is to put Kappaboy at the same level. and that's , the "we work together" plan

    Harima means no harm doing this. he keeps hope...



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    Quote Originally Posted by rikem View Post
    ...but it's obvious that Hige can't surpass him in anyways, ...
    But I still think there's one thing that Hige surpasses Karasuma...




    ...Stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    That's only difficult to hide if Tenma is also staying over at Karasuma's house. What's unusual about visiting a friend for a couple of days?
    Yeah, So Harima is supposed to know how long Tenma is going to stay, get real.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    For that matter, Harima does have a home that he can come back to. He was the one who left it behind in the first place.
    And too ashamed to go back at the moment. Like you would have a better idea on Harima's emotional state; me, I leave it all to KJ.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    Did seeking assistance from Yakumo or Tenma diminish them? When you take assistance from someone, then you are indebted to them. It only diminishes Karasuma if Harima says that he is giving assistance to Karasuma.
    He does not do so to deliberately diminish them, when you work on a project and you get an assistant, you dont get someone that knows more than you and who would probably take over the project, therefore it is assumed that the assistant knows less and puts the other in a position of authority. THAT is what I mean by it, Are you DELIBERATELY reading me wrong here? As I said, Harima implies and equality between him and Karasuma without DELIBERATELY implying one's superiority/authority over the other. Would I have to point out that Tenma had addressed Harima as sensei (when she was helping him) like an assistant would to the lead Mangaka thus acknowledging his authority? Its not like Harima tried to diminish her.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    But questions that people don't ask out of politeness. Simply implying that it is a sensitive matter is an excellent way to ward off any further questions.

    And you haven't even begun to exhaust the list of possible explanations available to Harima. There are plenty of possible working relationships that Harima could have with Karasuma that don't involve the sharing of that pen name. What makes this situation unusual is that he has provided a more complex explanation where a much simpler one would do.
    Yeah, to ward off questions would imply invite rumors and speculation... god knows what control YOU have over those once people start talking about it if you keep to yourself all the time, really u dull or have you no idea about the rumor culture in high school? I'd rather put up a semi-plausible explanation and hint how insignificant that is in the hopes no one would find it interesting enough to pass over to the rumor mill, yet I aint Harima. Tenma isn't exactly one to be completely confident with, would even YOU trust a secret to her (you being more intelligent that Harima I assume)? Plus we are discussing this in a forum for crying out loud, everyone here has the all the time in the world to come up with a better explaination than Harima's cr ap, but Harima sure doesn't. Yeah, I 'sure' you can come up with a better explanation of the situation if you are in Harima's shoes but YOU aren't Harima are you?


    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    Why would he specifically want to allude that he was staying for the purposes of his manga? Doesn't that strike you the least bit suspicious, given that he just split up with Tenma with regards to that very manga?
    Yeah, ok here is how I would explain it were I Harima: "Since you and Imouto-san are unavailable I have to do more work with Karasuma (now that he is available) on the manga"....Yeah that would work....to Tenma that is.....strike ME suspicious, we're talking about Tenma HERE, not me, I can not claim to possess any of her 'foolishness'.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    The simplest reason would simply be to say that he was just visiting a friend, as opposed to inventing something that could easily be caught if Tenma knew the slightest bit about Karasuma's manga work. To assume that Harima is incapable of coming up with this sort of trick (which he has also attempted in the past) is to give him less credit than he deserves.
    And YOU are giving him more credit than he deserves. "Visiting a friend", great excuse to drop in everytime she might take a visit and find that Harima is also 'coincidentally' visiting assunming that Harima doesn't pick up his dignity and move out soon. Plus that would make a GREAT ending catch phrase for that chapter: 'I am visiting my friend'. KJ used Harima's idiotic thinking and came up with a lame excuse we can all laugh at while putting him in a dilemna we can expect further hilarity from. Also I might add in Harima's case I LIKE to have little expectations of him so that when he does do something meriting applause, I get to be pleasantly surprised. I think THAT would be preferable than expecting more from Harima everytime and getting disappointed like you seem to. Just accept that I have a different mind set to yours and will view things unlike yours but I do make justifications to my reasoning at least enough to rebuff whatever c**p you throw at me.
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    Wow, it's Monday and I can't even find the raw yet. So is there no SR 225 this week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyto1984 View Post
    Wow, it's Monday and I can't even find the raw yet. So is there no SR 225 this week?
    There's a spoiler for the chapter in Japanese at Animesuki, so there should be a chapter coming. I don't really have any idea what the hell is going on with the raw, though.
    Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. - Friedrich Nietzsche

 

 
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