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    Jakub is offline Banned Regular
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    ..Harima tends to forget lots of things when Tenma is involved - that's another thing which will Harima regret later (even Harima will notice that he just abused Karasuma's kindness and trust)

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    has anyone noticed that whenever its reaining Karasuma wears his Kappa costume... right before the shooting stars in the previous episodes he was wearing the kappa costume right after the rain... isnt that odd.
    Or in the epidose where Tenma beats the crap out of Karasuma with the umbrella.

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    Meaby because his kappa suit = umbrella ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by luisfcayo View Post
    I dont think Harima would do such a thing especially after Karasuma gave him shelter and food.
    But Harima already has done such a thing. He lied about Karasuma being part of Hario. Harima's exact reasons for lying do not change the lie itself. Hopefully Harima will realize his error and apologize soon.

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    I agree with Swampstorm about Tenma being forced to make a "choice" between manga and Karasuma. Eri and Harima both had to make "choices" recently, so it would make sense for Tenma to have her turn next. I don't think Harima would knowingly put her in such a situation, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    I agree. Harima is not the type to come up with Machiavellian schemes on the spur of the moment.
    I agree about Harima not doing anything cunning when he told Tenma he and Karasuma are Harima Hario. Nonetheless, I think Tenma will end up in a double-bind anyways.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Also, his blatant lie is doomed if Karasuma does not play along.
    Karasuma should tell Tenma the truth, but Karasuma rarely ever does what's normal. Furthermore, Tenma might not even hear anything Karasuma says if she falls into a pit of despair worrying about Karasuma being her rival.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Finally, Karasuma has already told Tenma that he is working on a manga, so he is her rival whether or not he is Harima Hario anyway.
    Tenma never realized that Karasuma should be her rival before; hearing that he's working with Harima could easily remind her this.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Hopefully Harima will realize his error and apologize soon.
    As if. Fortunately, there's no Yakumo around to cover up his lie this time; I'm still really pissed off at her for saving Harima's bacon in Chapter 205. Characters should pay the price for their mistakes, in my opinion.
    Last edited by ultraness; 05-15-2007 at 02:27 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    I agree with Swampstorm about Tenma being forced to make a "choice" between manga and Karasuma. Eri and Harima both had to make "choices" recently, so it would make sense for Tenma to have her turn next. I don't think Harima would knowingly put her in such a situation, though.



    I agree about Harima not doing anything cunning when he told Tenma he and Karasuma are Harima Hario. Nonetheless, I think Tenma will end up in a double-bind anyways.
    Well, choosing between the manga and Karasuma isn't much of a choice for Tenma. She just recently started on her manga and it isn't important to her on nearly the same level as Harima's manga is to him, and unless Karasuma (or Harima as half of "Hario") demands that she stop, she has no real reason to quit the manga. Karasuma being Tenma's rival is only as serious as Tenma wants to make it; it is possible that Tenma will become totally detached from reality and go into despair over the dilemma, but this isn't nearly as serious as Eri demanding that Harima make a choice while holding a lighter to his manuscript.

    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    Karasuma should tell Tenma the truth, but Karasuma rarely ever does what's normal. Furthermore, Tenma might not even hear anything Karasuma says if she falls into a pit of despair worrying about Karasuma being her rival.
    Yeah, I'm expecting Karasuma to either play along or be prohibited from spilling the beans by circumstance.

    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    Tenma never realized that Karasuma should be her rival before; hearing that he's working with Harima could easily remind her this.
    Again, this is only a problem if Tenma sees it as one. The rivalry between her and "Hario" is entirely on her side. Of course, Tenma is Tenma and may see it as a problem anyway, but I hope that she isn't quite that crazy here.

    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    As if. Fortunately, there's no Yakumo around to cover up his lie this time; I'm still really pissed off at her for saving Harima's bacon in Chapter 205. Characters should pay the price for their mistakes, in my opinion.
    The shrimp lie was silly and a minor part of a larger Eri-centric storyline, so Harima slipped under the radar. This is more serious and right in the middle of the plot, so I doubt that Harima will escape this time. The only things that can prevent Harima from being exposed immediately are Karasuma's good will (could he be Yakumo Mk. II?) and the whim of the plot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Well, choosing between the manga and Karasuma isn't much of a choice for Tenma. She just recently started on her manga and it isn't important to her on nearly the same level as Harima's manga is to him, and unless Karasuma (or Harima as half of "Hario") demands that she stop, she has no real reason to quit the manga. Karasuma being Tenma's rival is only as serious as Tenma wants to make it; it is possible that Tenma will become totally detached from reality and go into despair over the dilemma, but this isn't nearly as serious as Eri demanding that Harima make a choice while holding a lighter to his manuscript.
    I agree it’s really obvious what Tenma will pick if she ends up in a situation where she must pick something. The interesting thing that can come from an event like this is how Harima reacts to it if he thinks Tenma makes a choice. Seeing strong feelings from Tenma directed at Karasuma can do something so that Harima's character gets necessary development for an Oudou ending or could play a part in Harima losing interest in Tenma for any non-Oudou ending.
    Last edited by ultraness; 05-15-2007 at 04:56 PM.
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    We are considering Tenma here - it's kind of hard to say how much she involved herself with her manga (if it's the same as her study and trying to get Karasuma's heart, then it doesn't seem to serious).
    She also never feared Harima (as a potential enemy) but she saw him as rival-friend - It would be really Tenma-like if she said "You two make a great rivals for me, but I will still prevail - yosh ! I need to work hard !!". Tenma is rarely serious about anything and she likes to have fair-play competition (like Togou).

    Although in Harima's interest would be better if Tenma quit doing manga and that's what he might try to make her do (it was far better for him when she was his assistant than when she is a rival).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakub View Post
    It would be really Tenma-like if she said "You two make a great rivals for me, but I will still prevail - yosh ! I need to work hard !!". Tenma is rarely serious about anything and she likes to have fair-play competition (like Togou).
    No, it would not be Tenma-like. Tenma is always serious whenever something involves Karasuma; something I suppose is easy to forget since it's been a while since she's had Karasuma problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jakub View Post
    Although in Harima's interest would be better if Tenma quit doing manga and that's what he might try to make her do (it was far better for him when she was his assistant than when she is a rival).
    It would be Harima's best interest to simply support Tenma in whatever she wants to do. However, Harima has always had an enormous problem empathizng with Tenma, so I find this unlikely. He really needs to start thinking about her needs instead of his own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    No, it would not be Tenma-like. Tenma is always serious whenever something involves Karasuma; something I suppose is easy to forget since it's been a while since she's had Karasuma problems.
    If that was a case, she would consider to stop writing manga at the moment when Karasuma said that he is a manga artist. Why Harima being Karasuma's partner would change anything ?

    Another thing which Tenma could consider is trying to join their team

    It would be Harima's best interest to simply support Tenma in whatever she wants to do. However, Harima has always had an enormous problem empathizing with Tenma, so I find this unlikely. He really needs to start thinking about her needs instead of his own.
    I think it was Tenma who selfishly became Harima's rival and he shouldn't be supporting her - it would look really strange if her previous "sensei" dropped his own work just to help her. It would born a question why Harima ever started doing manga and Tenma might get a bad impression of Harima (like : Trying to hook her up by making her a manga assistant - then why she was working so hard ?). Since Harima is the first one to start making manga, he shouldn't be the first one to quit.

 

 
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