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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Hmm... interesting. It seems that Harima's self-image was shattered by Eri's rejection (?)
    Harima says itís his reputation that was shattered by Eriís rejection, not his self-image. Itís other peopleís image of him that got ruined, not his own, according to his words.

    Personally, I think it sounds a lot like heís lying to himself to avoid acknowledging he was let down by Eriís rejection (?). Eri didnít do anything to destroy a reputation heíd actually built up and cared about.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    (the question mark is in the raw, so it is part of Harima's own thoughts - weird).
    The way Eri ďrejectedĒ Harima was quite peculiar, so I think the question mark is there because Harima isnít quite sure she rejected him.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Karasuma didn't want Harima to meet Tenma, so he probably knows how Harima feels about her and possibly even was jealous but of which one?
    Karasuma didnít finish what he wanted to say to Harima, so we donít know for sure he didnít want Harima to meet Tenma.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Finally, Harima made up a stupid lie at the end when he saw Tenma, so she still has a powerful effect on him.
    Well, the subject heís lying about revolves around Eri so Iím not sure how responsible Tenma is in making him deceive her.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Hopefully having the three most plot-critical characters together this late in the manga will bring some sort of change in the Harima-Tenma-Karasuma triangle.
    Maybe. Kobayashi seems to find sadistic pleasure in delaying resolutions, so IĎm not going to hold my breath.
    Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. - Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    Harima says itís his reputation that was shattered by Eriís rejection, not his self-image. Itís other peopleís image of him that got ruined, not his own, according to his words.

    Personally, I think it sounds a lot like heís lying to himself to avoid acknowledging he was let down by Eriís rejection (?). Eri didnít do anything to destroy a reputation heíd actually built up and cared about.
    Perhaps. There are things that don't translate well here; the sidetext refers to how Harima "did it", which is probably some Japanese idiom.


    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    The way Eri ďrejectedĒ Harima was quite peculiar, so I think the question mark is there because Harima isnít quite sure she rejected him.
    Yeah, that's my interpretation as well. Eri didn't exactly reject him; she rejected his rejection without actually directly saying anything about her feelings. Harima probably still doesn't know what happened there.


    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    Karasuma didnít finish what he wanted to say to Harima, so we donít know for sure he didnít want Harima to meet Tenma.
    I am fairly sure that Karasuma did not want Harima to meet her. Harima cut him off three times, and in the second, Karasuma said, "No, that's fine, leave it to me." At a minimum, Karasuma was aware that Harima seeing Tenma would be a non-trivial event.


    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    Well, the subject heís lying about revolves around Eri so Iím not sure how responsible Tenma is in making him deceive her.
    Harima's lie seems like it is aimed at impressing Tenma. He has essentially made Karasuma out to be his junior partner, since his own name is much closer to "Harima Hario".

    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    Maybe. Kobayashi seems to find sadistic pleasure in delaying resolutions, so IĎm not going to hold my breath.
    Yeah. Still, we are definitely in the endgame. I will be disappointed if there is not advancement of some sort - any sort - by the end of this encounter.

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    Would be funny if Karasuma said in the next chapter "Errr no. I am actually Nijou, the manga artist that draws with the greatest manly passion." Then Harima would be crushed in front of Tenma, runs off, bumps in to Sawachika and shares his manly passion with her. (needs a Flag ending =p)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    Harima says itís his reputation that was shattered by Eriís rejection, not his self-image. Itís other peopleís image of him that got ruined, not his own, according to his words.

    Personally, I think it sounds a lot like heís lying to himself to avoid acknowledging he was let down by Eriís rejection (?). Eri didnít do anything to destroy a reputation heíd actually built up and cared about.
    I believe that Harima is worried about his reputation, but I think it is because Harima believed that he made a mistake. By the way Harima was rejected by Eri, he got the misunderstanding that Eri was never really in love with him. Of course we know that she, at the very least, had some kind of feelings for him.

    Harima now thinks that he was being conceited and Eri never looked at him that way. If that was true then, by his own reasoning, he was full of himself and needs to be exiled from school. Of course this is all my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Perhaps. There are things that don't translate well here; the sidetext refers to how Harima "did it", which is probably some Japanese idiom.
    I'll remind you that last week you were worrying about Townsocks making a mistake about Karasuma possibly saying "I wasn't planning to have someone over" instead of "I was planning to have someone over." It's better to simply trust the translations unless an attention-whore with a little knowledge of Japanese starts complaining about Townsocks's work.

    Also, reputation and self-image are completely different words and Iím sure an attention-whore with a little knowledge of Japanese would be able to catch a mistake as major as that. Moreover, the side text on the page refers to whatís happening to Harima after he ďdid it,Ē not how; Iím sure itís a reference to Chapter 217 when Harima says ďCould it be that I...I did it?Ē Regardless, itís quite clear the side text on the second page is simply telling us this is what happened to Harima after Chapter 217.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Harima's lie seems like it is aimed at impressing Tenma. He has essentially made Karasuma out to be his junior partner, since his own name is much closer to "Harima Hario".
    Heís sweating bullets the whole time; Harima looks quite worried sheíll find out the truth, making it appear keeping what happened between him and Eri is his priority.

    The lack of calculation in his words makes me think fear is the greater motivator here. If impressing Tenma was his first priority, heíd be better off telling her something more honest like heís ďHarima Hario and Karasuma is just helping him out,Ē or elevating his status and saying he and Karasuma are Nijou; Nijouís a much more popular mangaka than Hario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Legend View Post
    Would be funny if Karasuma said in the next chapter "Errr no. I am actually Nijou, the manga artist that draws with the greatest manly passion." Then Harima would be crushed in front of Tenma, runs off, bumps in to Sawachika and shares his manly passion with her. (needs a Flag ending =p)
    Eri is in Kyoto right now, so I don't think Harima is going to encounter her if he runs off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyto1984 View Post
    I believe that Harima is worried about his reputation, but I think it is because Harima believed that he made a mistake. By the way Harima was rejected by Eri, he got the misunderstanding that Eri was never really in love with him. Of course we know that she, at the very least, had some kind of feelings for him.

    Harima now thinks that he was being conceited and Eri never looked at him that way. If that was true then, by his own reasoning, he was full of himself and needs to be exiled from school. Of course this is all my opinion.
    The problem with Harima being worried about his reputation is that no one knows about what he did, except for Eri. To me, it seems like heís fooling himself into thinking heís trying to avoid everyone at school so he doesnít have to admit heís afraid of confronting Eri. This would be similar to what Harima did in Chapter 217 when he convinced himself all the women around him loved him because of ďmotekiĒ so he wouldnít ďneedĒ to deal with Eriís feelings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Legend View Post
    Would be funny if Karasuma said in the next chapter "Errr no. I am actually Nijou, the manga artist that draws with the greatest manly passion." Then Harima would be crushed in front of Tenma, runs off, bumps in to Sawachika and shares his manly passion with her. (needs a Flag ending =p)
    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    Eri is in Kyoto right now, so I don't think Harima is going to encounter her if he runs off.
    Haha!! If Harima's heart will be crushed, he will do what he always do, he will run away again. Far away where memories of Tenma won't reach him. And probably, Kyoto is the perfect place to hide.. Then he will be shocked to see Ojou there, then Flag will live happily ever after..

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    ..or maybe Tae-nechan again She is a nurse for both body and broken hearts

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    Dont you think that the flag deserves to rest for a little time,i know that many in these boards are flag lover, but Eri had pretty much screentime from the kyoto arc to chapter 216 or 217(i dont remember very well). So i dont think that she will be appearing for a while(or at least be focused).

    For now is pretty much the original love triangle (Karasuma-Tenma-Harima) and because Karasuma is leaving soon(or so it seems) it will continue this way for a little while.

    Also Harima current mood is because eri damaged his pride as i will try to explain:
    1.-Harima thought Eri loves him and because he sees her as a treat to his relationship with Tenma so he decides to break his "relationship" with her
    2.-Eri damages his pride as proving that he was wrong
    3.-Harima is too ashamed of this and enters in a depression.
    In conclusion i dont think that so far harima has developed any feelings towards eri its just that he is the same fool that we have known since the beggining

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    I agree - If I told a girl that she should stop making "moves" on me and she would say that I am imaging things I would probably

    1) Get angry at her, because she is just acting tough and cool so I would look like a fool
    2) Never be able to face her normally
    3) Try to completely ignore her existence (meaning : fallow your original plan : "nothing between us")
    4) Don't bother (impossible for both me and Harima )
    5) Commit seppuku to destroy the shame... or maybe not - forget about this

    For now, it seems Harima is more in phase 2, but that can easily change to 1 or 3 (depends on Eri's attitude toward Harima in their next meeting - if she will be the same as always, then Harima will just get mad at her).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratzuei View Post
    Dont you think that the flag deserves to rest for a little time,i know that many in these boards are flag lover, but Eri had pretty much screentime from the kyoto arc to chapter 216 or 217(i dont remember very well). So i dont think that she will be appearing for a while(or at least be focused).
    No, Eri should keep on having the spotlight because School Rumble becomes boring whenever she leaves. There is no rule that the spotlight must be distibuted equally among the cast.

    Quote Originally Posted by ratzuei View Post
    Also Harima current mood is because eri damaged his pride as i will try to explain:
    1.-Harima thought Eri loves him and because he sees her as a threat to his relationship with Tenma so he decides to break his "relationship" with her
    Eri isn't a real threat to his relationship with Tenma unless Harima has feelings for her. If he doesn't have feelings for her, he can just easily turn her down if she ever approaches him.

    Quote Originally Posted by ratzuei View Post
    2.-Eri damages his pride as proving that he was wrong
    The thing is, Harima should be happy that Eri doesn't seem to want a relationship with him. His supposed objective when he brought her out to the rooftop was to destroy a relationship with her.
    Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. - Friedrich Nietzsche

 

 
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