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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    This chapter showed how impossible it is to predict School Rumble since seemingly ironclad plot points (Eri tearing the manga) can be overturned without any sensible explanation. I mean, how does that make any sense? How did Eri make the swap? Why keep the manga from Harima for so long? Why didn't Akira seem to know back in 215?
    Man, who cares about such silly little details?

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    But whatever. I'm going to try and make a prediction anyway: Yakumo will be the one to pick Harima up. He's just been consecutively rejected (kinda) by Eri and Tenma as a direct result of what Yakumo told him (about both Eri and Tenma, natch!), and Yakumo was left hearing about Harima's delusion of "moteki". So Yakumo should be the one to help Harima out. She might even confess to him. Probably not, but you never know.
    Nope. Eri should be the one to help Harima out, since she's the one that created his new hell. The "problem" that Yakumo caused was making Eri seem to lose interest in Harima, so that's the dilemma she should be obligated to fix. Yakumo would be abusing way too much god hax if she ends up setting Harima for a fall from Eri and Tenma's hands and reaps the rewards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    Man, who cares about such silly little details?
    Us. How can we argue about the manga effectively if its plot elements can randomly fluctuate?

    Of course, the lesson here is that we *shouldn't* be trying to analyze something so silly in the first place... oh well.

    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    Nope. Eri should be the one to help Harima out, since she's the one that created his new hell. The "problem" that Yakumo caused was making Eri seem to lose interest in Harima, so that's the dilemma she should be obligated to fix. Yakumo would be abusing way too much god hax if she ends up setting Harima for a fall from Eri and Tenma's hands and reaps the rewards.
    I'm not arguing that Yakumo should be the one to help Harima, just that she's the most likely one based mainly on how she hears about Harima's moteki delusion on page 10. Usually (but not always) that is the sort of detail that is followed up on in the next chapters. Meanwhile Eri has no reason at all to go after Harima, at least not more than Tenma, who is equally responsible for sending Harima's spirit to heaven and did look a bit concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Us. How can we argue about the manga effectively if its plot elements can randomly fluctuate? .
    It wasn't exactly surprising that Eri turned out to switch the manga, considering that she does, or did, like him. Mentar even called this "twist" happening at the Animesuki forums.The lack of emotions from Eri while tearing up the fake manga, in addition to Eri showing no remorse in the next chapter, hinted at this happening, and Harima does look away from Eri briefly in Chapter 214 to give her some time to make the switch.

    At least this is physically possible for Eri, unlike holding down a man larger than her and cleanly shaving his head, or drop-kicking someone while wearing a kimono.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    I'm not arguing that Yakumo should be the one to help Harima, just that she's the most likely one based mainly on how she hears about Harima's moteki delusion on page 10. Usually (but not always) that is the sort of detail that is followed up on in the next chapters. Meanwhile Eri has no reason at all to go after Harima, at least not more than Tenma, who is equally responsible for sending Harima's spirit to heaven and did look a bit concerned.
    That detail about Harima acting strange was followed by Harima acting like a moron, and Eri "fixing" his behaviour. Yakumo didn't hear about him becoming a zombie or missing school.

    Also, Eri doesn't need a reason to go after Harima; Kobayashi just finds ways to get them in the same place so they can get over their differences.

    In this case, does Harima even need someone to help him out? Should Kobayashi go for a role reversal for Harima, Harima will pretty much be on his own to get himself out of it; of course, when I said that Yakumo should be obligated to "fix" Eri losing interest in Harima, Yakumo could get involved by doing something to help patch up Eri and Harima's latest dispute.

    If he does need someone to help him out, can we even be certain that someone already in the cast will help him? Tae and the fisherman were created to basically get him out of his ruts, so someone new or completely unexpected could help him out.
    Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. - Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Us. How can we argue about the manga effectively if its plot elements can randomly fluctuate?

    Of course, the lesson here is that we *shouldn't* be trying to analyze something so silly in the first place... oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    It wasn't exactly surprising that Eri turned out to switch the manga, considering that she does, or did, like him. Mentar even called this "twist" happening at the Animesuki forums.The lack of emotions from Eri while tearing up the fake manga, in addition to Eri showing no remorse in the next chapter, hinted at this happening, and Harima does look away from Eri briefly in Chapter 214 to give her some time to make the switch.

    At least this is physically possible for Eri, unlike holding down a man larger than her and cleanly shaving his head, or drop-kicking someone while wearing a kimono.
    I suppose so. Still, there are some logical holes, like Tougou holding on to the manga for a couple days for no reason at all and him and Eri keeping it a secret from Harima and apparently even Akira.


    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    That detail about Harima acting strange was followed by Harima acting like a moron, and Eri "fixing" his behaviour. Yakumo didn't hear about him becoming a zombie or missing school.

    Also, Eri doesn't need a reason to go after Harima; Kobayashi just finds ways to get them in the same place so they can get over their differences.

    In this case, does Harima even need someone to help him out? Should Kobayashi go for a role reversal for Harima, Harima will pretty much be on his own to get himself out of it; of course, when I said that Yakumo should be obligated to "fix" Eri losing interest in Harima, Yakumo could get involved by doing something to help patch up Eri and Harima's latest dispute.

    If he does need someone to help him out, can we even be certain that someone already in the cast will help him? Tae and the fisherman were created to basically get him out of his ruts, so someone new or completely unexpected could help him out.
    Still, that detail with Yakumo hearing about Harima "looking terrible" (which is certainly accurate now) would be pointless if it was just dropped. I admit that the manga is in a very unpredictable period, but it has fairly consistently followed up on this kind of loose end. I wouldn't expect anything from Yakumo in the near future if it wasn't for the top of page 10, but since it is there, it probably has a purpose. Poor Asou and Suga certainly weren't relevant there, being stuck as mere exposition providers for Yakumo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    I suppose so. Still, there are some logical holes, like Tougou holding on to the manga for a couple days for no reason at all and him and Eri keeping it a secret from Harima and apparently even Akira.

    Well, Eri telling Harima about it could have lead to him asking about her feelings for him, so it would make sense if she didn't want to give it to him after he chose Tenma over the manga and got Tougou to do it instead.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Still, that detail with Yakumo hearing about Harima "looking terrible" (which is certainly accurate now) would be pointless if it was just dropped. I admit that the manga is in a very unpredictable period, but it has fairly consistently followed up on this kind of loose end. I wouldn't expect anything from Yakumo in the near future if it wasn't for the top of page 10, but since it is there, it probably has a purpose. Poor Asou and Suga certainly weren't relevant there, being stuck as mere exposition providers for Yakumo.
    It wouldn't be pointless, since the scene would still have been used to foreshadow Harima acting like an idiot in front of Eri. Yakumo has the startled lines by her head after hearing that he's "looking terrible" to indicate it's caught her attention, but they go away after she hears "he was yabbering somthing about moteki" and the "....." from Yakumo could easily mean she viewed it as a false alarm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    Well, Eri telling Harima about it could have lead to him asking about her feelings for him, so it would make sense if she didn't want to give it to him after he chose Tenma over the manga and got Tougou to do it instead.
    But Eri could have just told Harima that she didn't want him bothering her about it, just as she did in 217. I dunno. I could probably come up with a few explanations myself, but I'm just a bit annoyed at the way this was done.

    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    It wouldn't be pointless, since the scene would still have been used to foreshadow Harima acting like an idiot in front of Eri. Yakumo has the startled lines by her head after hearing that he's "looking terrible" to indicate it's caught her attention, but they go away after she hears "he was yabbering somthing about moteki" and the "....." from Yakumo could easily mean she viewed it as a false alarm.
    Harima acting like an idiot in front of Eri was already foreshadowed when we actually saw him ourselves thinking about moteki. It is unnecessary to show Yakumo finding out about it if Yakumo isn't going to follow up on it. Also, I really doubt that Yakumo would be comforted by hearing that Harima was babbling about moteki; that's a red flag if ever there was one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    But Eri could have just told Harima that she didn't want him bothering her about it, just as she did in 217. I dunno. I could probably come up with a few explanations myself, but I'm just a bit annoyed at the way this was done.
    Then I'll let you think of explanations why Eri wouln't just tell Harima that she did it so he wouldn't bother her about it. Kobayashi used his author powers here; if you don't like it, suck it up.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Harima acting like an idiot in front of Eri was already foreshadowed when we actually saw him ourselves thinking about moteki. It is unnecessary to show Yakumo finding out about it if Yakumo isn't going to follow up on it. Also, I really doubt that Yakumo would be comforted by hearing that Harima was babbling about moteki; that's a red flag if ever there was one.
    After Harima being a moron is foreshadowed, there's a few pages dedicated to Yakumo. Bringing up the moteki again reminds us of that plotline, and gives cohesion to the chapter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    After Harima being a moron is foreshadowed, there's a few pages dedicated to Yakumo. Bringing up the moteki again reminds us of that plotline, and gives cohesion to the chapter.
    It's still pointless to show Yakumo specifically taking note of this if it isn't followed up on. It would be like Tenma working on the manga in 216 never being mentioned again.

    Perhaps this is just a random moment without meaning and Yakumo won't do anything with Harima in the forseeable future. But I doubt it, since Yakumo had her attention specifically called to Harima's delusional state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    It's still pointless to show Yakumo specifically taking note of this if it isn't followed up on. It would be like Tenma working on the manga in 216 never being mentioned again.
    Harima thinks of moteki.

    Switch to Yakumo.

    Yakumo hears about moteki.

    Switch back to Harima.

    Having Yakumo hear about it joins the two scenes together, which would give Yakumo hearing about purpose regardless of whether or not it's followed through.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Perhaps this is just a random moment without meaning and Yakumo won't do anything with Harima in the forseeable future. But I doubt it, since Yakumo had her attention specifically called to Harima's delusional state.
    I know. This is why I mentioned that I also consider it possible for this to happen.
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