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    -Ajax- is offline Senior Member Long Time Member
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    Just read the chapter and:


    Needless to say I'm fcking confused.

    Spoilers...duh



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    Quote Originally Posted by -Ajax- View Post
    I'm fcking confused.
    What's so confusing? She gave up. Onigiri's dead. End of story.

    Are the resident Flaggers not in a festive mood right now? I bet Japan's going hogwild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox View Post
    Tenma's pretty serious about helping out Harima - it's seems the Flag and Odou clash is going near...and my hopes for more SR were vain , it really seems we are getting near the ending.
    I don't think Eri and Tenma are going to fight over Harima, but I get the sense that there's going to be a clash between Oudou and Flag in Harima's mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox View Post
    Edit: Electra complex....I don't know what it is I will google it, but still, I would appreciate an explanation
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electra_complex

    Quote Originally Posted by Isenfolme View Post
    First of all, ultra, Yakumo has been inconsistent. She has been trying to deny her own feelings for chapter after chapter now.
    The one thing sheís been consistent in whenever she thinks about romantic feelings for Harima, is her decision that she doesnít like him. The simplest explanation for this would be Yakumo not having any romantic interest in Harima.

    Quote Originally Posted by Isenfolme View Post
    The sheer number of times she's had the thought that she should give up shows that she hasn't stood by that thought each time she's had it.
    No, itís a sign of people constantly thinking that she has feelings for Harima, and questioning her about her feelings for Harima. During the manga writing scenes, her feelings for Harima were constantly questioned by Tenma, whom thought Yakumo loved Harima. During the play arc, Eri confronts Yakumo about her feelings for Harima. A few chapters ago when she denied feelings for Harima, it was in response to Sara asking about how she felt about Harima. In this chapter, the editor mistakes the two to be in a relationship, and so on.

    In order for characters denying feelings for someone to be a sign of them liking them, they need to deny those feelings when someone doesn't ask them about those feelings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Isenfolme View Post
    It's *despite* that self-denial that she has feelings for Harima, even if she refuses to consciously act on them. I think that's what 215 was all about - her realising just how much she's been bottling up her feelings and how she doesn't know what to do about them.
    Thereís always that simple explanation that she keeps on denying feelings because she doesnít have any.

    Chapter 215 looked to be more about Yakumo saying she was bottling up feelings of guilt about getting in the way of Eri, not love for Harima. That being the purpose of Chapter 215 makes more sense, since Yakumo defends Eri in this chapter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter View Post
    She used her own sister as a surrogate to fulfill what she thought she couldn't do.
    Oh. When she was shown to be thinking that she couldnít do this? Where did this mysterious barrier that Yakumo cannot cross come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter View Post
    She was jealous of Eri for having the strength that she didn't have, which is why she second guessed the slap. All you need to realize is "she loves Harima", and it all makes sense.
    But not jealous of Tenma for having Harimaís affection? That doesnít make sense if Yakumo loves Harima.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter View Post
    The 'inconsistencies' were all in your mind. Either you didn't understand her completely, or you deliberately chose not to. I can easily guess which.
    Ad hominem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter View Post
    Now you're not even going to discuss her thoughts in that particular scene? And what transpired afterwards?
    Since you see it so clearly while I canít, Iím sure you can explain to me what transpires afterwards, and how it indicates Yakumoís certain love for Harima.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter View Post
    It's right there in front of you. You just don't want to see it.
    Ad hominem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter View Post
    216 confirmed all my suspicions about her, and judging from this response, also about you.
    Ad hominem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter View Post
    I'm honestly surprised that you'd stubbornly cling to this as you have. I figured you'd be doing Indian dances by now.
    Iíll have a sexy dance party after itís certain that Harima and Eri are together, not before.
    Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. - Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    Oh. When she was shown to be thinking that she couldnít do this? Where did this mysterious barrier that Yakumo cannot cross come from?
    146. Like I said, it's all right there.

    But not jealous of Tenma for having Harimaís affection? That doesnít make sense if Yakumo loves Harima.
    That would villainize her sister, and you know she wouldn't do that. We had an entire chapter during the worthless Kyoto arc exhibiting that.

    Since you see it so clearly while I canít, Iím sure you can explain to me what transpires afterwards, and how it indicates Yakumoís certain love for Harima.
    Still feigning ignorance? Alright then, I'll enlighten you.

    She mentally admitted that she tried to "become his strength", as in he'd depend on her and not Tenma. But once she comes home from buying ink, what does she see? A renewed Harima who was cheered up by none other than, you guessed it, Tenma.

    That's where the barrier originated. You know the rest.

    Ad hominem.
    Not even close.

    Iíll have a sexy dance party after itís certain that Harima and Eri are together, not before.
    And what's stopping them now? Other than themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter View Post
    What's so confusing? She gave up. Onigiri's dead. End of story.

    Are the resident Flaggers not in a festive mood right now? I bet Japan's going hogwild.
    Lets just say im not about to jump the gun with silly celebrations, this hit me like a ton of bricks. *Sit and wait mode: On*

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    I’ll have a sexy dance party after it’s certain that Harima and Eri are together, not before.
    Let me in, please! I'll swim to Canada through North Ocean to be there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Ajax- View Post
    Lets just say im not about to jump the gun with silly celebrations, this hit me like a ton of bricks. *Sit and wait mode: On*
    "jump the gun"? You really think that Flag's going to get tossed out the window after all this time? Or that Oudou is still viable? *snicker*

    If I was a Flagger, I'd be pumping my fists wildly and yelling "WOOOO! YEAH RICEBALLS, IN YO FACE! UNCLE BEN CAN'T SAVE YOUR ASS! OJOU 4 LIFE!!!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter View Post
    "jump the gun"? You really think that Flag's going to get tossed out the window after all this time? Or that Oudou is still viable? *snicker*

    If I was a Flagger, I'd be pumping my fists wildly and yelling "WOOOO! YEAH RICEBALLS, IN YO FACE! UNCLE BEN CAN'T SAVE YOUR ASS! OJOU 4 LIFE!!!"
    Maybe but, I never intended to rub it in anyone's face or anything, either way we still don't know what Harima is thinking about this revelation.

    I wonder what the 22 page special is going to be about....last time there was a special chapter it was a strange detective parody. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Ajax- View Post
    Maybe but, I never intended to rub it in anyone's face or anything
    But secretly you knew you were doing this. If the roles were reversed I'd have done the same.

    either way we still don't know what Harima is thinking about this revelation.
    He'll look at Eri differently from now on whether he wants to or not. Knowing what he's thought of her before, it might even speed up his decision to make a move on Tenma before he completely loses it.

    I wonder what the 22 page special is going to be about....last time there was a special chapter it was a strange detective parody. lol
    Ugh...don't remind me about that. Please Jin, let it be plot-related.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter View Post
    146. Like I said, it's all right there.
    Quite a bit seems to be in a chapter that happened seventy chapters ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter View Post
    That would villainize her sister, and you know she wouldn't do that. We had an entire chapter during the worthless Kyoto arc exhibiting that.
    If Yakumo had feelings for Harima, she simply would be jealous of Tenma. She wouldnít be able to help it, and this would be her main problem, not feeling guilty over Eri.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter View Post
    Alright then, I'll enlighten you. She mentally admitted that she tried to "become his strength", as in he'd depend on her and not Tenma.

    But once she comes home from buying ink, what does she see? A renewed Harima who was cheered up by none other than, you guessed it, Tenma.

    That's where the barrier originated. You know the rest.
    Yakumo never says anything about having a problem with Tenma, or anyone else, becoming Harimaís strength, so why should she develop a mysterious barrier after this scene? Other than this barrier conveniently explaining her reluctance to show love for Harima seventy chapters later.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter View Post
    Not even close.
    Every time you attack my credibility instead of my ideas, youíre making an ad hominem fallacy. This is what youíre doing whenever you use me not being able to see Onigiri scenes as proof that my ideas are wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter View Post
    And what's stopping them now? Other than themselves.
    Indeed, they are stopping themselves. Iím waiting for them to not stop themselves, since I donít like jumping to conclusions.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Let me in, please! I'll swim to Canada through North Ocean to be there!
    Wouldnít using an airplane be more effective?
    Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. - Friedrich Nietzsche

 

 
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