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    Yakumo will save Harima from pits of hell and again she will return to shadows - that's pretty much what she was doing since she met him. She is like guardian angel for him So I still think Onigiri is quite dead and will remain dead (although I wouldn't mind Onigiri ending).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter View Post
    She would've said "The one suited for him isn't Tenma, it's Eri". Because after all, she only cares about the devotion, right?
    If Yakumo did have actual feelings for Harima, she would have backed down in Chapter 206 to let Harima be with Tenma. This is why she would be saying "The one suited for him isn't Tenma, it's Eri;" she'd be backing down from her earlier decision that Harima should be with Tenma, not her non-existent decision in the last chapter that she's the person to be with Harima.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter View Post
    Really, stop denying it. She already seceded, so just sit back and wait for your ending.
    Seceding involves actually making a commitment to try and gain something, and Yakumo never has made moves romantically on Harima before. This is one of the reasons it doesn't make sense for her to be giving up romantic feelings for Harima in this chapter, since she hasn't invested any feelings of romance for Harima that she can give up.
    Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. - Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    If Yakumo did have actual feelings for Harima, she would have backed down in Chapter 206 to let Harima be with Tenma.
    Now you really aren't making sense.

    Seceding involves actually making a commitment to try and gain something, and Yakumo never has made moves romantically on Harima before. This is one of the reasons it doesn't make sense for her to be giving up romantic feelings for Harima in this chapter, since she hasn't invested any feelings of romance for Harima that she can give up.
    In her mind, she seceded. You know this. I know you know this.

    Is it really that hard to admit? Isn't the fact that Flag is all but guaranteed now enough? Do you really have to go this far?

    Townsocks is right. Except I don't feel fear, rather pity.

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    Well, I think Yakumo did some good thing for Flag. Eri should have said that before, since Harima would never notice. Now Eri can get an answer and also more attention from Harima.
    Onigiri is dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter View Post
    Now you really aren't making sense.
    Itís pretty simple. Yakumo would have already given up her feelings in Chapter 206 to let Harima be with Tenma if she did have feelings for him. So, sheíd be thinking that ďthe one that isnít fitting for this personĒ is Tenma, not herself, since Yakumo would have already decided that she isnít the one for Harima.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter View Post
    In her mind, she seceded. You know this. I know you know this.
    Yakumo wasnít shown to harbour romantic feelings for Harima in her mind in earlier chapters, nor was she shown to be thinking about going after Harima, so she has nothing to mentally secede from, either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter View Post
    Is it really that hard to admit? Isn't the fact that Flag is all but guaranteed now enough? Do you really have to go this far?
    Youíre not doing a very good job convincing me that Yakumo has romantic feelings when you fail to counter points I make for Yakumo not giving up her non-existent feelings for Harima.

    Also, Iím not disagreeing with you only to give you a hard time. Iím disagreeing with you because I donít believe that Yakumo likes Harima.
    Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. - Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    Well, I think Yakumo did some good thing for Flag. Eri should have said that before, since Harima would never notice. Now Eri can get an answer and also more attention from Harima.
    Yakumo's action was pretty logical continuation of chapter 215. And yeah, she indeed triggered Flag's development. I'm not sure if Harima belived her or not, but even if he didn't, this infomation will stuck in his head and will make him analyse all Eri's action from some new for him, different from his old one, point of view, and thus making it more possible for him to recognize the truth.

    Onigiri is dead
    If ever existed. But yeah, even if it had, it is now dead.

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    Oh it existed - even Harima said "It seems we are going out" to Yakumo But now, Yakumo is just decreasing her role to a guardian angel or such. She just wants to make him happy. I hope Harima won't be such bastard like before and he will thank Yakumo properly this time (it was always annoying me how much Yakumo did for him and how much Harima took it for granted).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    Itís pretty simple. Yakumo would have already given up her feelings in Chapter 206 to let Harima be with Tenma if she did have feelings for him.
    And that's precisely what happened. Don't tell me you just realized this now.

    So, sheíd be thinking that ďthe one that isnít fitting for this personĒ is Tenma, not herself, since Yakumo would have already decided that she isnít the one for Harima.
    And by saying the opposite, what does that indicate? Exactly.

    Yakumo wasnít shown to harbour romantic feelings for Harima in her mind in earlier chapters, nor was she shown to be thinking about going after Harima, so she has nothing to mentally secede from, either.
    Are you just conveniently forgetting 146? Makes it easier that way, doesn't it?

    Youíre not doing a very good job convincing me that Yakumo has romantic feelings when you fail to counter points I make for Yakumo not giving up her non-existent feelings for Harima.

    Also, Iím not disagreeing with you only to give you a hard time. Iím disagreeing with you because I donít believe that Yakumo likes Harima.
    No, you're disagreeing for the sake of refusing to admit that you were wrong. 216 spells it out clear as day.

    Let it go already. Your faction won, go celebrate and put this to rest.

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    I think Flag is kind of the official thing now - even if Harima does love Tenma very much, the entire story has been leading to a Flag ending and this nearly confirms it. Onigiri - or the possibility of Onigiri - was the main opposition throughout, and now that Onigiri has surrendered to Flag, there's nothing left. The only Oodou supporter is Harima... ne?

    Poor Harima, he needs companions in his faction. T_T
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    But now, Yakumo is just decreasing her role to a guardian angel or such. She just wants to make him happy. I hope Harima won't be such bastard like before and he will thank Yakumo properly this time (it was always annoying me how much Yakumo did for him and how much Harima took it for granted).
    Well, her role as guardian angel was stated when she started to support Odou - now she just switched factions and is doing the same. But much more actively - while she never told Tenma that Harima likes her, she did explain Eri's feelings to Harima.

    About being bastard....who knows.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digi-hime
    I think Flag is kind of the official thing now - even if Harima does love Tenma very much, the entire story has been leading to a Flag ending and this nearly confirms it. Onigiri - or the possibility of Onigiri - was the main opposition throughout, and now that Onigiri has surrendered to Flag, there's nothing left. The only Oodou supporter is Harima... ne?

    Poor Harima, he needs companions in his faction. T_T
    Flag still has its' biggest problem, Harima. I wonder how it will be overcomed.

 

 
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