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    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter
    Did you not read 216? Lack of strength. That's why she didn't act.
    In Ch. 216, while Yakumo points out that she admires Eri for having a strength that she doesn't have, the strengths that Yakumo points out are not related to expressing feelings of love. For that matter, we all know that Eri's greatest weakness is her fear of being rejected by Harima and her inability to tell him her feelings for him.

    Yakumo didn't say that she was unable to win Harima over if she wanted to - she said that she was not the one suited for him. Those qualities listed on the earlier page explain why she thinks Eri is best suited for Harima. It's not that Yakumo is weak, either - she's simply describing Eri's strengths, and putting her faith in Eri to help Harima out of the hole that he has fallen into. It's an act of trust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    If, on the other hand, 217 is primarily a Harima and Tenma chapter, then Oudou will have the advantage.
    It could just as easily be disastrous to Oudou, since Harima could contemplate his feelings for Eri and Tenma in that scenario. If being around Tenma isn't enough to get Harima's mind away from the revelation, that would bode poorly for the future of Oudou since it would begin to lose its main advantage (Harima's obsession with Tenma).

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    It's possible that this situation could lead to the unveiling of Harima's true feelings and/or his shared past with Tenma, especially since Harima may become more urgent now that he knows that his hesitation is causing pain to others.
    Or Harima could just become more reluctant by knowing that getting together with Tenma will cause pain to others.

    I think Swampstorm said it best when he said it's hard to say how things will turn out.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Eri hasn't even shown any signs of helping Harima get out of this manga crisis; since Eri doesn't know what the manga really is, she is currently very unsuitable to be Harima's "strength" in helping him with this crisis.
    Eri has barely been shown at all since she tore up the manga, so she hasn't had an opportunity to show signs of wanting to help Harima. In her only appearance since then, Eri tells her friends that she hasn't given up yet, so it's likely Eri would be quite willing to help Harima on his manga if she learns how much destroying the manga has hurt Harima.

    One thing to keep in mind is that Harima's problem with his manga right now is motivation; the person best suited to help him with his crisis right now will be the one capable of motivating him to work on it. Drawing skills and knowledge of the manga aren't relevant when it comes to getting Harima out of his current dilemma.
    Last edited by ultraness; 03-13-2007 at 02:03 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox View Post
    I actually would like to see a scene where Eri says "get lost" to Harima, then Shawn would come back to take his to-be fiancee.
    Then the story would get more rumbled Since even if Eri would start to hate (or avoid) Harima, he wouldn't want to be with Shawn - and of course Tenma's alternative to Onee-chan Power, the Super-Best-Friends Power which would make Harima to act
    *dramatic music*

    Shawn! *clenches fists and shakes them at the heavens falling to my knees* ...SHAAAAAWWWNNNNNN!!!!!

    Seriously, I hate him, Im hoping Harima gives him a dose of Hari-ken Kick to the face that he so dearly prizes. >;[

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    It could just as easily be disastrous to Oudou, since Harima could contemplate his feelings for Eri and Tenma in that scenario. If being around Tenma isn't enough to get Harima's mind away from the revelation, that would bode poorly for the future of Oudou since it would begin to lose its main advantage (Harima's obsession with Tenma).



    Or Harima could just become more reluctant by knowing that getting together with Tenma will cause pain to others.

    I think Swampstorm said it best when he said it's hard to say how things will turn out.
    Yeah, I agree that it is very difficult to predict because so much rides on Harima's response, and not only is Harima a rather unpredictable character but he has also never been in a situation like this before.


    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    Eri has barely been shown at all since she tore up the manga, so she hasn't had an opportunity to show signs of wanting to help Harima. In her only appearance since then, Eri tells her friends that she hasn't given up yet, so it's likely Eri would be quite willing to help Harima on his manga if she learns how much destroying the manga has hurt Harima.
    While Eri should be willing to help, she is currently out of the loop. Eri doesn't even seem to know what the manga is yet, let alone how critical the current situation is. Meanwhile Tenma has already begun working on a replacement manuscript, which is likely to be the basis for Harima's last ditch efforts. So Tenma is in a much better position to help Harima than Eri right now.

    Of course, there are a near infinite number of ways that Eri could get involved and assist Harima as soon as next chapter, but none of them have been set up yet.
    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    One thing to keep in mind is that Harima's problem with his manga right now is motivation; the person best suited to help him with his crisis right now will be the one capable of motivating him to work on it. Drawing skills and knowledge of the manga aren't relevant when it comes to getting Harima out of his current dilemma.
    True. So who is it who has always been the best at inspiring Harima up until now, even when she doesn't intend it? Tenma is perfectly equipped to help Harima: she has the skills (um... theoretically), the knowledge, the head start on a new manuscript, and the ability to inspire Harima to unbelievable degrees which she exhibited as recently as 215 with her unintentional triggering of Harima's short acting career.

    Meanwhile, Eri is out of the loop and is the one who threw Harima into his current dilemma in the first place. How exactly is she going to motivate him?

    Of course, anything can and will happen. Listed in rough order of most to least likely, Eri or Karasuma could get involved somehow (via Akira?), Tenma could fail to inspire Harima (which would be an enormous blow to Oudou), Harima could have a sudden revelation that Yakumo is his one true love, little elves could finish the manga, space aliens could invade, or Harima could finally confess to Tenma.

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    I like some of the idea's I'm seeing here. I personally don't believe next chapter is as decisive as others are making it out to be. Sure, if Tenma helps then not much should change for awhile, it's nothing detrimental to flag or Eri it just means nothing more will come of it for awhile. I don't know how Kobayashi will do things after this, this chapter did leave us with one hell of a cliffhanger that could lead the deciding point next chapter in how things will end, but it's just as likely to be nothing of too much importance.

    Freeter: Ever heard of opinions and interpretations? Really cool thing about these is that everyone gets there own! Learn to accept that other people will have different interpretations of the same events. Your interpretation isn't the be all end all of School Rumble. Maybe Yakumo did have feelings for Harima, maybe she didn't. Kobayashi left it very ambiguous and open for opinion based on interpretation. Yours just happens to differ from some peoples. Tough luck having those people be a couple of the better debaters here on these boards. Oh! and if you wish to have them take your posts seriously, learn to debate better because your posts tend to be crap right now with since I don't see you using much evidence if any at all. no offense it's just an observation, Swampstorm and Ultraness and others posts tend to be better thought out.

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    I just finished reading through all those earlier pages of posts. Freeter thought that I was ultraness? Absolutely remarkable.

    Incidently, Townsocks' remark was based off of my prediction last week, when I said that Yakumo was going to join Team Flag. I myself was surprised at how quickly it happened.

    Just to set the record straight, Flag, Oudou, Onigiri, Bloody Mary, and all the other factions don't exist on their own. They just represent what we, the readers, want to see for the characters. The only thing that really matters are the characters, and what they want.

    My support is to Eri. I wish that she had an easier journey of things. Harima is a next to impossible target, and as NeoSapien points out, there are some serious obstacles standing in the way. The problem is that she's invested so much time and so much effort to this point, banging her head against a brick wall - that I just want to see something come out of all of it. While KJ can write an ending where he convinces us that she is happy despite whatever happens, I don't want to be just convinced - I want to see her to walk off the final pages of the manga feeling absolutely ecstatic. I want to know that she's happy.

    I'd like to believe that everything will work out easily from here on - but somehow I can't shake off my worries. Eri just has far too much at stake for her to lose here - and there's still a very big possibility that she will be badly hurt by this. We've seen hints of changes from Harima - but are those really hints, or is it just wishful thinking on my part?

    Right now, the only thing that matters is Eri. Factions be damned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    While Eri should be willing to help, she is currently out of the loop.
    Not very hard for someone to tell Eri about it. Yakumo seems a likely person to tell Eri about Harima, regardless of what she was thinking about at the end of the chapter. If not Yakumo, Harima, Akira, or Tenma could possibly tell Eri about it.

    Eri is obligated to atone for destroying Harima's manga after Harima showed pain in Chapter 215, so it's likely just a matter of time before she learns the repercussions of her actions. Also, Kobayashi never misses a chance to put those two into an awkward situation together. Never.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    True. So who is it who has always been the best at inspiring Harima up until now, even when she doesn't intend it? Tenma is perfectly equipped to help Harima: she has the skills (um... theoretically), the knowledge, the head start on a new manuscript, and the ability to inspire Harima to unbelievable degrees which she exhibited as recently as 215 with her unintentional triggering of Harima's short acting career.
    Two potential problems of Tenma motivating Harima:

    1. Tenma motivated Harima mainly due to his feelings for her. These feelings might be in doubt after this chapter, making Tenma no longer capable of motivating Harima.

    2. Harima's stupidity when it comes to Tenma making him avoid her. Harima chose Tenma over the manga in Chapter 214 so I think Harima is going to avoid Tenma when it comes to his manga, in fear of Tenma thinking that he was being dishonest in his decision. More likely to happen if Harima really was dishonest. Also, Harima told Tenma that he was going to be an actor so he likely thinks that Tenma wants him to be an actor and is afraid of telling her that he wants to do manga, in fear of going against her "wishes."

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    How exactly is she going to motivate him?
    Should Eri be in a position to motivate Harima, I believe that Eri would remind him of his own life philosophy that he told her back in the Omiai arc. Harima's current behaviour contradicts what he told Eri about himself. There'd be a sense of irony of Eri using the words said by Harima that motivated her in order to motivate Harima.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mini Jesus View Post
    I like some of the idea's I'm seeing here. I personally don't believe next chapter is as decisive as others are making it out to be.
    Personally, I also don't want to emphasize the next chapter as the "be all and end all" of School Rumble until I read it, for the reasons you list and more. While Kobayashi has used extra-length special chapters to advance the plot in Volume 4, he's also had pointless special chapters like Chapter 200. There's also the possibility the chapter will be used to tie up loose ends for the side characters and leaving us with hanging about what Harima's going to do with his new knowledge.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    I just finished reading through all those earlier pages of posts. Freeter thought that I was ultraness? Absolutely remarkable.
    I thought it was amusing after I figured that out. It sure did confuse me before then.
    Last edited by ultraness; 03-13-2007 at 03:57 PM.
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    Oh boy, it seems the circle of misunderstanding goes beyond SR.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm
    Yakumo didn't say that she was unable to win Harima over if she wanted to - she said that she was not the one suited for him.
    LMAO. Why Swampstorm, why...you got your wish, you should've just left it at that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mini Jesus View Post
    Your interpretation isn't the be all end all of School Rumble. Maybe Yakumo did have feelings for Harima, maybe she didn't. Kobayashi left it very ambiguous and open for opinion based on interpretation.
    216 cleared up all the ambiguities. There is no maybe.

    Oh! and if you wish to have them take your posts seriously, learn to debate better because your posts tend to be crap right now with since I don't see you using much evidence if any at all.
    I've used numerous examples from previous chapters. Learn to read.

    BTW, I have a hard time taking anything seriously from someone named "Mini Jesus".

    Freeter thought that I was ultraness? Absolutely remarkable.
    You both use the same arguments. I could take any one of your posts and compare them side by side and they'd be an exact match.

    "Ad hominem"...try harder.

    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness
    I thought it was amusing after I figured that out. It sure did confuse me before then.
    Hmmm...one's online, the other's not. One has personal info, the other doesn't. Coincidence? I think not.

    Even Scooby-Doo can figure this out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter
    Oh boy, it seems the circle of misunderstanding goes beyond SR.
    It does. Let's fix that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter
    LMAO. Why Swampstorm, why...you got your wish, you should've just left it at that.
    That was pretty much a direct quote. What's wrong with that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter
    You both use the same arguments. I could take any one of your posts and compare them side by side and they'd be an exact match.

    "Ad hominem"...try harder.
    The problem is, though, ultraness doesn't just go to this forum alone. I barely have the time and energy to make the SR posts that I do as it is, across three different forums.

    There's nothing wrong with people sharing arguments. That exchange of ideas is what helps everyone refine their thoughts on the series.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter
    Hmmm...one's online, the other's not. One has personal info, the other doesn't. Coincidence? I think not.

    Even Scooby-Doo can figure this out.
    Why don't you just ask a mod and be done with it? I doubt that using multiple accounts is allowed, anyways. Alternatively, you're welcome to drop by my home forums at WannabeFansubs. There are plenty of people who can attest to the fact that I am who I am.

    Freeter, I know that you're upset about the manga situation, but don't let it control you. You're a good person, and you've made plenty of interesting posts in the past. Nobody is trying to antagonize you - this is just a debate.

    My friendship for yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter View Post
    216 cleared up all the ambiguities. There is no maybe.
    Where? I didn't see anything even remotely close to Yakumo confessing her feelings towards Harima to the readers. I didn't even see anything regarding her feelings towards Harima at all, just her thinking about the different ways Eri was "stronger" than her. If you somehow pulled undeniable evidence from that, please let me know, I'd love to be enlightened.


    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter View Post
    I've used numerous examples from previous chapters. Learn to read.
    But every point you made has been counterpointed by others then dropped completely by you in favor for things like "it's obvious"(which is a quote from you on page 11 I believe)


    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter View Post
    BTW, I have a hard time taking anything seriously from someone named "Mini Jesus".
    That's your problem, not mine. I tend to judge people by their understanding of the subject at hand and not just the name they choose to post under.

 

 
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