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    Quote Originally Posted by liekiamhiung View Post
    Errr.. wasn't the term becoming somebody strength is similar as to becoming someone lover ?
    Because people tends to draw strength from someone they loved ?
    Yup, at least in the SR world that's how it works. Harima did nearly impossible things when hopped up on "Tenma Power" (racing on her huge curry plate, fending off Max and his goons with little difficulty).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter View Post
    She is talking about love. Eri was the one who put Harima in that state in the first place.
    How do you know that she is talking about love? And what does it have to do with Eri destroying his script?

    Uhh...no.
    Why?

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    It really all comes down to next chapter (unless it's another random non-canonical thing like 200). As a special coming after the rather momentous last page of 216, it has the potential to be the climax of the entire manga.

    If 217 is primarily about Harima reevaluating his feelings towards Tenma and Eri, then it will almost certainly lead to a Flag ending.

    If, on the other hand, 217 is primarily a Harima and Tenma chapter, then Oudou will have the advantage. Note that the most immediate crisis facing Harima is the danger to his manga, and that Tenma has already started work on a replacement (on her own initiative - that's a pretty impressive degree of caring for him). The most logical next step is that Harima could return to the Tsukamoto household to work on the manga with Tenma (and possibly Yakumo). It's possible that this situation could lead to the unveiling of Harima's true feelings and/or his shared past with Tenma, especially since Harima may become more urgent now that he knows that his hesitation is causing pain to others.

    Of course, there are a million other possibilities; Eri and even Karasuma could become involved in the manga replacement process. It would be very strange if Eri is essentially rewarded for tearing Harima's manga by Harima changing his feelings for her without any further actions on her part to make up for the destructive act, so I would expect her to try to help Harima if next chapter is a strong pro-Flag one.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    How do you know that she is talking about love? And what does it have to do with Eri destroying his script?
    Of course Yakumo is talking about love or romantic compatibility or something similar. Eri has done nothing to indicate that she would make a better supporter of Harima than Yakumo; in fact, by tearing the manga, Eri directly drove Harima into this crisis. Eri hasn't even shown any signs of helping Harima get out of this manga crisis; since Eri doesn't know what the manga really is, she is currently very unsuitable to be Harima's "strength" in helping him with this crisis.

    If Yakumo goes to Eri to urge her to help Harima next chapter, your interpretation might have some merit, but even that would probably be primarily for the purpose of matchmaking.
    Last edited by NeoSapien; 03-12-2007 at 11:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    How do you know that she is talking about love? And what does it have to do with Eri destroying his script?
    It's obvious. Yakumo doesn't have to give up being Harima's friend, so clearly she isn't referring to mere friendship. It's on a more personal level.

    Why?
    Yakumo wasn't relinquishing anything in that chapter. She came home to a disheartening scene of her sister "stealing away" the first and only guy she ever had feelings for.

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    You know, on a more serious note, and turning away from Yakumo for a second, I really don't think Eri will appreciate Flag's newest "supporter". She has been in outward denial of her feelings for so long, and guarded them so jealously that her rival (real or perceived, but definitely a rival in Eri's mind, and in mine, for the record) just walking up to her love interest and blurting them all out is unlikely to be welcomed. What are the chances that if and when Harima tries to find out the truth Eri acts in true tsundere fashion and denies those feelings outright? Of course that would be self-destructive but that strikes me as the kind of mad thing Eri might do - the ultimate example of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    How do you know that she is talking about love? And what does it have to do with Eri destroying his script?
    Of course Yakumo is talking about love or romantic compatibility or something similar. Eri has done nothing to indicate that she would make a better supporter of Harima than Yakumo; in fact, by tearing the manga, Eri directly drove Harima into this crisis. Eri hasn't even shown any signs of helping Harima get out of this manga crisis; since Eri doesn't know what the manga really is, she is currently very unsuitable to be Harima's "strength" in helping him with this crisis.
    Yes, Eri have done nothing to help Harima with his manga. But it doesn't matter that much in our case - in chapter 146 Tenma is not helping Harima with manga directly - she just talks to him - and after seeing that Yakumo gives her the role of "Harima's strength". Same here - although Eri haven't done anything to help Harima with manga, it doesn't prevent her from being made "Harima's strength" by Yakumo.

    Eri has done nothing to indicate that she would make a better supporter of Harima than Yakumo;
    Yakumo herself is saying that Eri is stronger then Yakumo - so Yakumo thinks that Eri can do a better job helping Harima then Yakumo.
    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter
    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    How do you know that she is talking about love? And what does it have to do with Eri destroying his script?
    It's obvious. Yakumo doesn't have to give up being Harima's friend, so clearly she isn't referring to mere friendship. It's on a more personal level.
    Well, I was not talking about Yakumo giving up being Harima's friend. If she's not playing the role of his strength (and she is not for a long time already) it doesn't mean that they are not friends anymore. Yakumo is continuing to support Harima - by deciding who should help him instead of herself - if before it was Tenma now it is Eri.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    Why?
    Yakumo wasn't relinquishing anything in that chapter. She came home to a disheartening scene of her sister "stealing away" the first and only guy she ever had feelings for.
    Then why was she absolutely OK after seeing her only sister stealing her beloved guy from her? And why she started to support Oodou after that instead of fighting for the "first and only guy she ever had feelings for"?

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    It's hard to say how things will turn out.

    The last we saw of Eri, she was torn between two conflicting desires - one to try to please others by giving up on Harima, and the other to fight for him. Both are extremes, and both lead to disaster - focus too much on one pin and you cannot hit the other. Right now, Eri is lost. She needs to overcome her divided feelings in order to stay true to herself - but whether she can do so in time remains to be seen.

    Harima, likewise, is a mystery. Classically, Harima is supposed to always love Tenma and always hate Eri. Yet we've seen plenty of ambiguous behavior from him in the past - such as during the Sports Festival, the sleep-over at the temple, the visit to Eri's house where he calls her cute, or the scene outside of the love hotel where he gets fiercely protective at the thought of her falling sick. Even in this latest chapter, while he bemoans the destruction of his manga, he seems even more hurt by the betrayal of his feelings - that he thought of her as a good person. But all this runs parallel to those classic displays of antagonism that we expect from Harima's relationship to Eri.

    This is not the sort of situation on which I would prefer to risk everything on, though. There is plenty of room for Eri to make a mistake. The destruction of the manga itself is a big roadblock - if Eri isn't given the information that she needs, there is little chance of her doing what she needs to do. What's worse, even if she does do everything right, there really are no guarantees that this will change Harima's views (which so far, have been the most rigidly unchanging thing in the series). The chances of Eri running into a disaster are fairly high.

    But yet...

    Akira believes in her. In Ch.213, Akira tells Eri that she can hit both pins at once - and rewrites the movie script to try to turn Eri into the girl who has everything.

    Yakumo believes in her. In Ch.216, Yakumo sets aside her long list of past differences with Eri and recognizes her old rival as the girl who is best suited for Harima.

    Tenma believes in her. In Ch.207, Tenma gives a very honest opinion on what a great couple the two make.

    Class 2-C believes in her. In Ch.115, Sagano and Yuuki point out that Harima and Eri look most natural when they are together. The events of Ch.185, where word first spreads, as well as the Class Album scene in Ch.199, shows the class' widespread support of the couple.

    This isn't just Eri's effort - this is everyone's effort. But even still, only time will tell if they are successful. Will the chain of seemingly random events that consistently drew the couple together from the second volume of the manga end here? Could that entire journey be pointless? Sad though it is, it's extremely possible. Life rarely tries to be fair.

    I believe in her. It may be a long shot, but I have a feeling that if Eri manages to stay true to herself, nothing can keep her from that happy ending that she so richly deserves.

    But there really isn't much left to do but wait... and hope...
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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Well, I was not talking about Yakumo giving up being Harima's friend. If she's not playing the role of his strength (and she is not for a long time already) it doesn't mean that they are not friends anymore. Yakumo is continuing to support Harima - by deciding who should help him instead of herself - if before it was Tenma now it is Eri.
    But you're describing it in terms of a strictly supportive role and not as a prospective partner. If that was Yakumo's intention then she wouldn't have brought up Eri's true feelings in the first place. She would've simply defended her actions.

    Then why was she absolutely OK after seeing her only sister stealing her beloved guy from her? And why she started to support Oodou after that instead of fighting for the "first and only guy she ever had feelings for"?
    Did you not read 216? Lack of strength. That's why she didn't act.

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    I actually would like to see a scene where Eri says "get lost" to Harima, then Shawn would come back to take his to-be fiancee.
    Then the story would get more rumbled Since even if Eri would start to hate (or avoid) Harima, he wouldn't want to be with Shawn - and of course Tenma's alternative to Onee-chan Power, the Super-Best-Friends Power which would make Harima to act

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freeter View Post
    But you're describing it in terms of a strictly supportive role and not as a prospective partner. If that was Yakumo's intention then she wouldn't have brought up Eri's true feelings in the first place. She would've simply defended her actions.
    Strictly supportive role does not make being friends impossible - friends support each other and want each other to be happy.

    The best way to defend Eri's actions is to tell her reasons - and Yakumo does this saying that Eri's reason for destroying Harima's manga was love.

    Did you not read 216? Lack of strength. That's why she didn't act.
    Or lack of reason.

 

 
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