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    reinard-fox is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    Quote Originally Posted by OMGItsTehSARS
    Oh another question, i think it's on p7, sara walks by some with decorative stuff...anyone know wut's that? See the one with a rope around a tree with tags dangling down? Random scenery ftw?
    Well, they are walking in that shrine (Yagami shrine?) and I think that it has something to do with some Japanese tradition or stgh like that. I don't know for sure though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm
    Sure. I fixed my post.I was just a bit worried about the length.

    It was very funny, now that you mention it.
    Thanks. Looking at discussions at several threads leangth doesn't seem to be that much of a problem here .


    Though my previous comments about how "it may be love" are probably wrong, I still think that now we'll see some of Yakumo's actions. The question is what she will do....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyto1984
    Holly Crap...

    This has probably been the most emotionally charged chapter in School Rumble. In this we saw two characters break down, both Yakumo and Harima. Imoto-san's emotional brick wall finally crumbled in front of Sara, and Harima's strong base shattered. Yakumo's lucky she has Sara, but Harima...
    Harima didn't break down. That was the movie scene.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyto1984
    Harima's on the path to self-destruction. He's lost his aspiration and is heading in whatever direction he is pushed in, and the one doing the pushing is Tenma. Manga is what Harima chose to do on his own, but now he is letting Tenma dictate his future (regardless if she is aware of it or not).
    No, he hasn't. We've seen weird behavior like this plenty of times before.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyto1984
    The one person who understands Harima the best IS Yakumo, well, maybe Akira, but she won't do anything beneficial for his sake. Harima might not choose to return to manga, but Yakumo should get him to face reality.
    Actually, Yakumo has never really understood Harima all that well. The only thing she needs to be doing is making amends for her past history with Eri, now that she realizes what she's done. The rest will be taken care of.

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    1st step: apologize...
    2nd step: ??????????
    last step: PROOOFIIIT!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    Harima didn't break down. That was the movie scene.
    Um...no.

    I'm not sure if they were filming him or not, but Harima was clearly speaking to Yakumo when she addressed him. Even after Tougou jumped in, which should have been the end of the scene, he continued speaking in that dreary mood.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    No, he hasn't. We've seen weird behavior like this plenty of times before.
    Well it's true that acting weird is nothing new for Harima, but manga has been a major chapter in his life, and giving up at the drop of a hat...well, if that isn't self destructive, I don't know what is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    Actually, Yakumo has never really understood Harima all that well.
    She realized that Harima loves Tenma on her own, something very few have figured out. She is one of the few that knows of Harima's love of animals. She realized that Harima hated shrimp on her own. And she has spent more time alone with him then anyone else.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    The only thing she needs to be doing is making amends for her past history with Eri, now that she realizes what she's done. The rest will be taken care of.
    Not so sure that she will even attempt to apologize to Eri. By listening to Yakumo, she isn't upset that she slapped Eri, but why.

    "That's why I can't forgive anyone that treats her like an idiot."
    That sounds pretty content and confident to me, but...

    "That's what I thought when I slapped her. But...I was wrong...I know...I know that Sawachika-senpai is in love with Harima-senpai. And...it hurts me inside so badly."
    She said it herself, she didn't do it to protect her sister, she did it because she was jealous of Eri. It's like "doing the right thing for the wrong reasons" type of deal.
    Last edited by Kyto1984; 03-03-2007 at 01:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OMGItsTehSARS
    1st step: apologize...
    2nd step: ??????????
    last step: PROOOFIIIT!!!
    Yakumo was the catalyst for the conflict between Eri and Tenma, which was what lead to the destruction of the manga. Cooperation seems to be a pretty good way to get that manga fixed up, if you ask me.

    Of course, that can only happen if some of these conflicts get resolved. Now that Yakumo knows, though, she's in a better position to help that happen. That would be your "??????????".

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyto1984
    I'm not sure if they were filming him or not,
    Just reread the chapter, then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyto1984
    but Harima was clearly speaking to Yakumo when she addressed him. Even after Tougou jumped in, which should have been the end of the scene, he continued speaking in that dreary mood.
    Ah, so you're using his mood to "read his mind".

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyto1984
    Well it's true that acting weird is nothing new for Harima, but manga has been a major chapter in his life, and giving up at the drop of a hat...well, if that isn't self destructive, I don't know what is.
    I don't recall him talking about giving up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyto1984
    She realized that Harima loves Tenma on her own, something very few have figured out.
    Eri did. Akira did.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyto1984
    She is one of the few that knows of Harima's love of animals.
    He doesn't love animals. He just doesn't see them as being any different from humans.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyto1984
    She realized that Harima hated shrimp on her own.
    Eri realized that Harima hated shrimp and that he was forcing himself, despite the fact that she had to deal with the added confusion of Harima seeming to contradict himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyto1984
    And she has spent more time alone with him then anyone else.
    I haven't really seen that many Onigiri scenes in the manga as a whole, and they aren't even in the same classes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyto1984
    "That's what I thought when I slapped her. But...I was wrong...I know...I know that Sawachika-senpai is in love with Harima-senpai. And...it hurts me inside so badly."
    You've misquoted the sentence horribly. You're linking together two sentences as a run-on. Those sentences are distinct, they occur on different pages, and there are no ellipses at the start of the next sentence. They're two distinct thoughts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyto1984
    She said it herself, she didn't do it to protect her sister, she did it because she was jealous of Eri. It's like "doing the right thing for the wrong reasons" type of deal.
    She spent a page before that explaining how she was only thinking about her sister at the time. She thought she was doing the right thing, but she was wrong.

    Why would she be jealous over the fact that Eri loves Harima? Shouldn't she be jealous only if he loves her back?
    Last edited by Swampstorm; 03-03-2007 at 01:29 PM.

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    Well, poor harima his future is complicated. He has to do his manga, eri is still going after him(with akira and mikoto supporting her), yakumo probably go after him too or at least she is going to try to bring close harima and tenma.

    But well we will probably see him trying to become an actor in the next chapters(I just love the stupid things he do to impress tenma)

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    About Harima's mood:
    page 2: Yakumo enters. Harima: "What should I do? I don't know anymore!" - this is clearly filming.
    page 3: Togou jumps in => filming is ended. Togou starts to talk to Harima, but Harima, not paying any attention to him, continues to say: "I don't...don't know...There is no more direction for me..." untill Tenma starts to yell, automatically attracting Harima's attention and breaking his monologue.

    While first part of scene is clearly filming => his words could be interpreted only as his lines from film, at the second part he, ignoring the end of filming, continues to say this words. Doesn't that mean that it is what he really thinks? And if not - why?

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    Well. Harima maybe in the process of filming but he expressed his true feelings about the script that has been torn out. I think that's the function of page 1, to show us that Harima has been implored to fix this mess by the editor-chief. So it must be his real feeling plus what he said to Yakumo.

    About Yakumo, poor Yakumo got crying . But then she is developing then. Although i still don't really get what hurting her so bad inside knowing that Eri loved Harima ? It could be guilt like Swampstorm stated or just some jealosy cause there's somebody loving her love....
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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    While first part of scene is clearly filming => his words could be interpreted only as his lines from film, at the second part he, ignoring the end of filming, continues to say this words. Doesn't that mean that it is what he really thinks? And if not - why?
    Sure, that works.

    I don't think that he's necessarily given up, though. We'll have to wait and see what comes from it.

    Regardless, the issue of the torn manga is between Harima and Eri.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    Just reread the chapter, then.
    Ah, after re-reading about four times, finally noticed that glasses guy with the camera in that tiny corner of the 2nd panel of the 4th page. My bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    Ah, so you're using his mood to "read his mind".
    94% of communication is non-verbal. If you can't read the mood to understand what someone is really feeling, then you'll never be able to tell when someone says one thing and means another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    I don't recall him talking about giving up.
    "I've been keeping this a talent hidden from everyone, but...I suppose now is the perfect chance to tell you all. I will become...an actor."
    That is a blatant lie. If you have been reading this manga then you know he has never one thought about becoming an actor. He only says this because Tenma complimented him. It's impossible for Harima to juggle acting, school, and manga (he can barely do two out of three). If he seriously starts acting, he'll miss the second chance he was given, and that will pretty much be the end of his manaka career.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    Eri did. Akira did.
    Akira's damn-near omnipotent, so I won't go into that. Eri might have figured it out, but only after 214 chapters. But then again I didn't say Yakumo was the ONLY one to figure it out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    Eri realized that Harima hated shrimp and that he was forcing himself, despite the fact that she had to deal with the added confusion of Harima seeming to contradict himself.
    ...Harima told Eri he hated shrimp...

    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    She spent a page before that explaining how she was only thinking about her sister at the time. She thought she was doing the right thing, but she was wrong.
    That's what I thought too when I first read it through, but when I looked it over as a whole, I got a different meaning. Let me go through her entire confession and tell you what I think bit by bit.

    ~Quoted as in Townsock's translation, adding only a few commas and periods.
    "Do you...have a minute...? Um...I...I'm the worst...I...slapped Sawachika-senpai...She betrayed my sister right in front of my eyes. I couldn't forgive her for that..."
    Here she starts to enforce that she was protecting her sister.

    "Nee-san...Even though she didn't know anything, she wouldn't say anything bad about her - not one thing. It hurt me from the bottom of my heart."
    Tenma didn't know what she did wrong, but she knew she did something wrong. We all know it was completely Eri's fault, but to think that Tenma didn't even consider that is what hurt Yakumo "from the bottom of my heart."

    "No matter what she was thinking, she always protected me when I cried, she always did her best for me. It's been so difficult...I know that nee-san has cried so much more then I have, but she always smiled when we were together. "Hey look it's fun Ya-mo!" "If you don't smile you can't be happy!"
    Yakumo's basically describing Tenma's personality when they were small.

    "...I couldn't do it. I had so much respect for nee-san."
    Here Yakumo is explaining that she couldn't be so happy and carefree as her sister. The respect comes from that.


    I'm guessing that this is the biggest problem you have with my previous post. Depending on how it's arranged, it can have different meanings. Since Townsocks doesn't believe in putting periods in manga, this is how I see it...
    "That's why I can't forgive anyone that treats her like an idiot. I had to do what nee-san couldn't, no matter what she would say."
    Here she states her determination on protecting Tenma. Even if she has to do something that Tenma wouldn't approve of (ie. slapping Eri), she would do it without hesitation or regret.

    "That's what I thought when I slapped her. But...I was wrong..." ~Page break.
    Now, was Yakumo saying she was wrong for slapping Eri, or that her reason for slapping her was wrong? Considering that she said that would stand up for Tenma "no matter what she would say," the former seems less likely.

    "I know...I know that Sawachika-senpai is in love with Harima-senpai. And...it hurts me inside so badly..."
    Why does she bring this up so suddenly? Is this her true reason for slapping Eri? After looking back at the previous quote, it could be so...

    "I...what should I do? What is it that I should do...? I've buried so many things inside of me...and it's all building up...I'm becoming a terrible person."
    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    Why would she be jealous over the fact that Eri loves Harima? Shouldn't she be jealous only if he loves her back?
    Perhaps its that Eri can act upon it, and Yakumo herself struggles so much. It's a pretty complicated love web in School Rumble.

 

 
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