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    Quote Originally Posted by pizza_blade View Post
    I missed this...

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    Think about whom Harima represents: Jin Kobayashi. If Harima ends up with nobody, itíd be like Kobayashi was saying he canít get a girlfriend. That alone convinces me Harima is going to end up with someone. Never underestimate the ego of man.
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    I mean no disrespect or offense to you by saying this, but you really have no capacity whatsoever to state that. Since, you know, you are not Jin Kobayashi, you don't know him, you can't read his mind, and you are not the person he confided his secrets with. Harima ended up with no one is certainly a probability, and you being "convinced" of something else doesn't automatically refute that simple fact.

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    Actually, Kobayashi can satisfy almost everyone in the story by simply getting Harima to like Eri instead of Tenma. Itís the most direct path to satisfying everyone, although shifting Harimaís interest from Tenma to Eri would take some work. Luckily for Flag fans, Kobayashi has spent the last sixty chapters working on it nearly exclusively, and isnít showing any signs of changing that.
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    "Satisfy almost everyone?". So you say.
    actually it would satisfy almost everyone. Like you implied with your Eri/sun reference, there are a lot of Eri fans out there. Probably more than any other character, making it really easy to please all of them at once by giving School Rumble a Flag ending. Then there are also people who support True Odou which would be easy to do along with Flag pleasing more fans. Just because you don't support Flag(don't know if you do or don't) doesn't mean other people won't be happy with it. You forget that almost everyone means there will still be people unhappy with the ending, but that's how it is with anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pizza_blade View Post
    So, you do agree that if we all are trying to adhere strictly to the definition of a villain in this thread, we could also classify Tenma and Karasuma to be one of them? Or do you not?
    To a certain extent i agree with Karasuma being a possible antagonist/villain to Harima, the thing is that we have no idea what his intentions or his goals are. Karasuma is too damn mysterious.
    Tenma however i can't agree with, while being an obstacle is obvious, her goals and her aims are not in conflict with Eri's.


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    Well yeah, at first I want to type it like you did, but in the end I changed my mind since it seems that there's a lot of School Rumble fans out there that think Eri is the sun which all School Rumble's planets revolved around. That Eri is the central figure of all School Rumble's characters.
    Understood.


    Anyway, I think everyone, or anyone, including me, should stop flaunting around words such as "villains". Ultraness might think of a different meaning when he--or she?--posted the word, but like it or not, that word imply something really negative. In all honesty, do any of you automatically think of Ultraness' definition of the word when the word itself first appeared? I think it would be safe to say that, logically, the very first thing that existed in everybody's mind when that word appeared was that the definition of the "classic villain"--you know, the evil guy/girl, the bad people, stuff like that.
    I see what you mean, but Ultraness has corrected everyone to my recollection. We should use "antagonist" more.
    Really Ultraness was only speculating on the possibility of Yakumo becoming a "villain" (unless my memory fails me), while Swamp is pretty much dead set on the idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pizza_blade View Post
    Anyway, I think everyone, or anyone, including me, should stop flaunting around words such as "villains". Ultraness might think of a different meaning when he--or she?--posted the word, but like it or not, that word imply something really negative. In all honesty, do any of you automatically think of Ultraness' definition of the word when the word itself first appeared? I think it would be safe to say that, logically, the very first thing that existed in everybody's mind when that word appeared was that the definition of the "classic villain"--you know, the evil guy/girl, the bad people, stuff like that.
    Since you and others on this board are so sensitive to the word “villain,” I’ll just use the word antagonist from now on.

    Quote Originally Posted by pizza_blade View Post
    Hmmm..., judging by the definition of villain flying around in this thread, I guess then it is safe to assume that Karasuma is a villain, since that it seems that the only purpose he had in School Rumble is to become the greatest obstacle ever for Harima's love of Tenma. And Harima is, without a second of doubt, is a much more of an important character in School Rumble than Karasuma, which in many ways we could emphatize much much more than the odd turtle-curry-lovers guy.
    No, Karasuma is more of a foil than an antagonist. If his purpose was to only get in the way of Harima, there wouldn't be any scenes of him with Tenma that didn't involve Harima.

    Harima, though, can be more readily classified as an antagonist to True Oudou, since he frequently and purposely tries to get between Tenma and Karasuma. There’s been some scenes where Harima does do the “right thing” with Tenma, though, so I prefer to think of Harima as an anti-hero.

    Quote Originally Posted by pizza_blade View Post
    I guess Tenma could be called a villain too, since she is practically the biggest obstacle for the..., um, ..., main character (Eri) to achieve her love for Harima.
    No, Tenma's not an antagonist because she's not actively doing anything to try to stop Eri and Harima getting together, but actually supports Flag. Also, Tenma likes Karasuma and her goal is to end up with him; doing anything to help an Oudou ending would be extremely counterproductive to her goal. The biggest obstacle for Eri and Flag is the still what it's been since the beginning: Harima's tunnel vision for Tenma.

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    Since, of course, it is in fact easier for us readers to emphatize with Eri much, much, more than Tenma.
    Indeed, it is.

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    I mean no disrespect or offense to you by saying this, but you really have no capacity whatsoever to state that. Since, you know, you are not Jin Kobayashi, you don't know him, you can't read his mind, and you are not the person he confided his secrets with. Harima ended up with no one is certainly a probability, and you being "convinced" of something else doesn't automatically refute that simple fact.
    Sure I can say that. It's called having a hunch, and telling it to other people.

    You know, I'm aware that it wasn't enough to convince people that Kobayashi likely won't have Harima alone at the end, so I included another reason for Kobayashi not to do so in my previous post.

    Here’s another one: Any ending where Harima ends up with no one is likely to be sad. School Rumble is a romantic comedy, though, which makes it likely it will have a happy ending, meaning any ending where Harima ends up with no one is unlikely. The genre of School Rumble makes it unlikely to have a lonesome Harima ending.

    Quote Originally Posted by pizza_blade View Post
    "Satisfy almost everyone?". So you say.
    I should have said "Satisfy everyone except Yakumo," so that people would have known that I was talking about the characters in the manga, not the audience. In regards to audiences, the ending that has the most characters being happy is usually the one that satisfies the most readers.

    Quote Originally Posted by -Ajax- View Post
    I see what you mean, but Ultraness has corrected everyone to my recollection. We should use "antagonist" more.
    Really Ultraness was only speculating on the possibility of Yakumo becoming a "villain" (unless my memory fails me), while Swamp is pretty much dead set on the idea.
    Indeed. To be honest, I am humbled by Swampstorm's zeal.
    Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. - Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Indeed. To be honest, I am humbled by Swampstorm's zeal.
    I wonder what would happen if he turns out to be right on all counts... naaaah...i just can't see it happening lol

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    I know that Ultraness has clarify what he meant by "everyone", but I feel the need to reply to this:
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    actually it would satisfy almost everyone. Like you implied with your Eri/sun reference, there are a lot of Eri fans out there. Probably more than any other character, making it really easy to please all of them at once by giving School Rumble a Flag ending. Then there are also people who support True Odou which would be easy to do along with Flag pleasing more fans. Just because you don't support Flag(don't know if you do or don't) doesn't mean other people won't be happy with it. You forget that almost everyone means there will still be people unhappy with the ending, but that's how it is with anything.
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    I really don't understand--well, maybe a little--the notion that should Harima's love for Tenma fail, than he should automatically jump to Eri. True Oudou happening doesn't necessarily relate hand to hand with Flag happening, you know, since it is still a probability that Harima might be going to Onigiri, or even ended up being alone. People who support True Odou would also by easy to..., ah, do along, to Onigiri.

    Anyway, if I recall correctly, I've heard somewhere sometime before that Jin's pretty much already dead set on an ending already. If that's the case, than the people that will still be unhappy with the ending could pretty much be anyone. And we don't necessarily know that the ending he wanted to do are all the same with......, um..., "almost everyone's" taste.

    Just for the record, I am an Oudou supporter. Not that I don't see the value in Flag, but I just like Tenma and Harima's dynamics better than..., well, all other factions combined

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    Since you and others on this board are so sensitive to the word ďvillain,Ē Iíll just use the word antagonist from now on.
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    Aren't we all sometimes a sensitive person or what? I'm pretty sure that there's a lot of "sensitive" flag fans out there too that will be mad if someone were to, say, say something negative about Eri--but that's for a different topic altogether.

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    Sure I can say that. It's called having a hunch, and telling it to other people.

    You know, I'm aware that it wasn't enough to convince people that Kobayashi likely won't have Harima alone at the end, so I included another reason for Kobayashi not to do so in my previous post.

    Hereís another one: Any ending where Harima ends up with no one is likely to be sad. School Rumble is a romantic comedy, though, which makes it likely it will have a happy ending, meaning any ending where Harima ends up with no one is unlikely. The genre of School Rumble makes it unlikely to have a lonesome Harima ending.

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    Of course, I can also say that Harima is more likely to end up to Yakumo than with Eri, you know, since it is my hunch. Or it is more likely for him to end up with Tenma, even..., you know, since it is my hunch. And I guess I can just tell other people about my hunch. Hmmm..., hunch...

    Though Harima ending up alone is certainly a probability, I do agree that it is more likely that he would end up with someone, judging from the overall atmosphere of School Rumble's story from the beginning until now. That's why we all have all of different factions today, not just Flag. But I do not close my mind from the probability of a..., lonesome Harima ending.

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    I should have said "Satisfy everyone except Yakumo," so that people would have known that I was talking about the characters in the manga, not the audience. In regards to audiences, the ending that has the most characters being happy is usually the one that satisfies the most readers.
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    "Satisfy everyone except Yakumo"..., would you care to elaborate this statement further? Tenma-Harima, Tenma-Karasuma, Eri-Harima, Yakumo-Harima, Yakumo-Hanai, Akira-Hanai, Mikoto-Hanai, Mikoto-Asou, (although I figure it's pretty much dead already), Mikoto-Imadori (extremely unlikely), Ichijou-Imadori... etc, etc. Should flag happens, who is this "everyone" you talk about that will be happy about it?

    Are you insinuating that "everyone" includes Harima himself? Do you think he could be happy with Eri if his love is rejected by Tenma? If you think he could, than why do you also think that he couldn't be happy with, let's just say, Yakumo, instead?

    For all we know, Tenma might also be able to find happiness in Harima instead of Karasuma. Call it..., a hunch.

    Elaborate with what you mean by "everyone".

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    Indeed. To be honest, I am humbled by Swampstorm's zeal.
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    So, the general impression of Swampstorm that he is... a..., zealot of some sort? Pretty scary. I should thread carefully around that guy, then.

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    I wonder what would happen if he turns out to be right on all counts... naaaah...i just can't see it happening lol
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    Then..., God Help Us All..., Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pizza_blade View Post

    I really don't understand--well, maybe a little--the notion that should Harima's love for Tenma fail, than he should automatically jump to Eri. True Oudou happening doesn't necessarily relate hand to hand with Flag happening, you know, since it is still a probability that Harima might be going to Onigiri, or even ended up being alone. People who support True Odou would also by easy to..., ah, do along, to Onigiri.

    Anyway, if I recall correctly, I've heard somewhere sometime before that Jin's pretty much already dead set on an ending already. If that's the case, than the people that will still be unhappy with the ending could pretty much be anyone. And we don't necessarily know that the ending he wanted to do are all the same with......, um..., "almost everyone's" taste.

    Just for the record, I am an Oudou supporter. Not that I don't see the value in Flag, but I just like Tenma and Harima's dynamics better than..., well, all other factions combined
    I don't mean to say that Flag and True Odou go hand in hand, I was just using those two as an example of showing how multiple relationships can happen to please more fans if Kobayashi so wanted. It could be Onigiri and True Odou, or Odou and what ever Mikoto and Hanai's faction is, or many many more possiblities.

    As for Kobayashi being dead set on an ending. I'm sure he's been setting up for the ending if he's dead set on it. Having you're ending in mind when you start or from early on helps with developing it so it doesn't seem rushed or sudden. Now the question becomes, which faction has he spent the most time developing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pizza_blade View Post
    I really don't understand--well, maybe a little--the notion that should Harima's love for Tenma fail, than he should automatically jump to Eri. True Oudou happening doesn't necessarily relate hand to hand with Flag happening, you know, since it is still a probability that Harima might be going to Onigiri, or even ended up being alone. People who support True Odou would also by easy to..., ah, do along, to Onigiri.
    I find the possibility of Harima going for someone after being rejected by Tenma unlikely. If Kobayashi is going for a non-Oudou ending, Harima's going to have to reject Tenma himself, otherwise the ending would be unhappy. If he does go for an Oudou ending, Tenma canít reject him, can she?

    Quote Originally Posted by pizza_blade View Post
    Of course, I can also say that Harima is more likely to end up to Yakumo than with Eri, you know, since it is my hunch. Or it is more likely for him to end up with Tenma, even..., you know, since it is my hunch. And I guess I can just tell other people about my hunch. Hmmm..., hunch...
    Go ahead. Though, if you don't have any reasons to support your hunch, I'm not going to be inclined to believe you.

    Quote Originally Posted by pizza_blade View Post
    Though Harima ending up alone is certainly a probability, I do agree that it is more likely that he would end up with someone, judging from the overall atmosphere of School Rumble's story from the beginning until now. That's why we all have all of different factions today, not just Flag. But I do not close my mind from the probability of a..., lonesome Harima ending.
    Itís a possibility, not a probability. Learn the definitions of the words, so you can use the proper diction.

    Quote Originally Posted by pizza_blade View Post
    "Satisfy everyone except Yakumo"..., would you care to elaborate this statement further? Tenma-Harima, Tenma-Karasuma, Eri-Harima, Yakumo-Harima, Yakumo-Hanai, Akira-Hanai, Mikoto-Hanai, Mikoto-Asou, (although I figure it's pretty much dead already), Mikoto-Imadori (extremely unlikely), Ichijou-Imadori... etc, etc. Should flag happens, who is this "everyone" you talk about that will be happy about it?

    Are you insinuating that "everyone" includes Harima himself? Do you think he could be happy with Eri if his love is rejected by Tenma? If you think he could, than why do you also think that he couldn't be happy with, let's just say, Yakumo, instead?
    Re-read my earlier post. I said Kobayashi could satisfy almost everyone by getting Harima to like Eri instead of Tenma. This involves Harima deciding on his own that he likes Eri more than Tenma.
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    Mini Jesus is right, pretty much almost everyone is satisfied with whatever ending..

    For example, the "main" controversial ones....

    Oudou...everyone is happy cept Eri (well...I would expect Eri to be happy for Tenma though)

    Flag, everyone is happy cept Yakumo (pretty much said already)

    Onigiri, everyone is happy cept Eri...

    So yea, pretty much I take whatever I said bout unsatisfying endsing back. It's pretty much what KJ chooses at this point is going to be satisfying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OMGItsTehSARS View Post
    Mini Jesus is right, pretty much almost everyone is satisfied with whatever ending..

    For example, the "main" controversial ones....
    I thought Mini Jesus was talking about the fans of School Rumble.

    Quote Originally Posted by OMGItsTehSARS View Post
    Oudou...everyone is happy cept Eri (well...I would expect Eri to be happy for Tenma though)
    Tenma, Eri, and possibly Karasuma, fail in their goals in an Oudou ending and need to change love interests. Remember, Tenma likes Karasuma.

    Quote Originally Posted by OMGItsTehSARS View Post
    Flag, everyone is happy cept Yakumo (pretty much said already)
    Unlike the other two you mention, only one person, Harima, needs to change love interests in a Flag ending. Yakumo would be unhappy because she opposes Flag, not because she likes Harima.

    Quote Originally Posted by OMGItsTehSARS View Post
    Onigiri, everyone is happy cept Eri...
    This is the most unlikely of the three since Yakumo, Harima, and Eri donít get what they want in an Onigiri ending. Harima and Yakumo arenít interested in each other.

    Quote Originally Posted by OMGItsTehSARS View Post
    So yea, pretty much I take whatever I said bout unsatisfying endsing back. It's pretty much what KJ chooses at this point is going to be satisfying.
    Itís not so much what Kobayashi chooses that will determine the satisfaction of the ending, but how he handles the ending. For example, I would find an ending where Harima realizes Eri is the light of his life after Tenma gives his feelings a kick in the balls, followed by Eri pouncing on him unsatisfying, despite it being a Flag ending.
    Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. - Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Indeed. To be honest, I am humbled by Swampstorm's zeal.
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    So, the general impression of Swampstorm that he is... a..., zealot of some sort? Pretty scary. I should thread carefully around that guy, then.
    zeal:
    1. fervor for a person, cause, or object; eager desire or endeavor; enthusiastic diligence; ardor.

    zealot:
    1. a person who shows zeal.
    2. an excessively zealous person; fanatic.

    If you are prone to making the fallacy of equivocation, then it would be best for you to tread carefully around me. Of course, if you are sensible enough to avoid making such silly mistakes, then you would have little reason for fear - unless you consider enthusiastic people to be scary, of course.

    Cheers, indeed.

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    That was fun.

    You seem to be having quite an interesting semantics discussion, here. I agree that it's always a good idea to avoid hurting people's feelings wherever possible. However, in certain cases, a simple substitution of words such as "hero <-> protagonist" and "villain <-> antagonist" can be misleading.

    The terms "good" and "bad" can only be applied relative to some sort of moral standard. But whose moral standard do we use? In the broader, societal sense, we can't call anyone good or evil without forcing everyone to agree on a common system of moral values. In that sense, the labels "hero" and "villain" must be used with a reference to a particular point of view.

    In the context of a story, the events that occur are referenced to a particular point of view - that of the author. The events that we read about in a story are only a fraction of the total events that happen in the fictional world that the author writes about. For example, we don't get a new scene every time Tenma brushes her teeth - but that doesn't necessarily mean that she doesn't brush her teeth every day. In that sense, we only see what the author chooses us to see.

    This allows "heroes" and "villains" to exist within the context of a story. Even "heroes" can do evil deeds - but since the author provides us with their point of view, we are in a better position to be empathetic to their actions. Given the proper treatment, even these so called "villains" can be viewed in a very positive light. The only difference between the two is author bias.

    There's a reason why I'm avoiding the use of the term "antagonist". While the terms "protagonist" and "antagonist" are less emotionally charged and acknowledge the role of author bias, there is an added connection between the two. The protagonist-antagonist relationship is a relationship between two foils. That particular connection (one between two foils) between Eri and Yakumo does not hold true, as of last chapter.

    In earlier story arcs, you could have easily established this sort of connection between Eri and Yakumo. The two characters contrast each other in terms of both personality and appearance. In addition, Yakumo has classically been an important tool by which we explore Eri's character.

    To Eri, Yakumo represented something that Eri was required to become, to be accepted by those around her. Ch.87 p.4 and 5 express those sentiments very well. Despite trying her best, after hours of effort and with her hands covered in injuries, Eri finds herself easily outdone by Yakumo - and she walks away, feeling depressed.

    The Onigiri-Flag conflict that follows over the course of the next 40 chapters is built around this concept. Yakumo draws out the inner insecurities of Eri's character, and the resolution of these conflicts allow for Eri's character development - by helping her to overcome her need to be "perfect". In this sense, Yakumo acts as an antagonist - she is the agent by which Eri's actions are opposed, and she also acts as a foil for Eri's character development.

    There is a problem, though. So much of the story so far has been dedicated to Eri's character development that she's completely changed. The girl that we see described so highly in Ch.185 is very different from the girl we first saw in Ch.7. She's even matured to the point that she has even surpassed her "teacher" - and in Ch.211/212, we see a complete role reversal - Yakumo starts the conflict, and it is Eri who chooses to set aside Yakumo's violent behavior. If Yakumo is no longer capable of provoking Eri's insecurities, then how can she possibly remain an effective foil?

    Unless we see Eri revert back in her future encounters with Yakumo (which would run the risk of being out of character), Yakumo's character development can take one of two turns - either the insecurities that drove Yakumo to violence will come to light by using Eri as a foil for Yakumo's character (leading to much needed character development on Yakumo's part) or she can continue on the path she has chosen - which will leave her as a plot device to oppose Flag.

    This is a critical point for Yakumo's character. If she receives the character development that she needs, she will be a very strong character in her own right. If, however, KJ decides not to spend the necessary time on Yakumo's character, then she will be a plot device for setting plot events in motion. As I mentioned earlier, an underdeveloped character who is only given the role of opposing a character's or set of characters' goals is a villain, in the context of the story - not because he/she is inherently evil, but because of author bias.

    The idea set forward by those earlier posts is really simple. Yakumo can either receive more character development, or she can be just used as a tool for the author to set the plot in motion. You can either learn more about her character and understand who she is in depth, or you can be content with her making occasional appearances to do "cool poses" such as during that slap scene. Which would you prefer?

    It makes no difference to me, either way.

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    Here's something I found interesting.

    I've seen the theory linking Yakumo's anger to her childhood conflict with Tenma being discussed in several different places, and strangely, I mainly see it challenged with the indignant assertion that "Yakumo is a good girl". Now, I'm fairly certain that the theory doesn't contradict that statement in any respect, so I found it peculiar to see it attempted so often as a counterargument.

    Now that I think about it, it's rather odd that the "morality" behind Yakumo's slap is such a hotly debated topic, when it only accounts for a single frame between two chapters. I've seen Eri make plenty of mistakes throughout the series, and Eri fans acknowledge them to be mistakes. She might do something bad in one scene, but we always can feel secure in the knowledge that she'll do something soon after to prove that she still cares deeply about her friends, and that she still cares deeply about Harima. So why should it be such a big deal to concede that Yakumo acted out of anger, or that she did the wrong thing? If she did something wrong, shouldn't we have the faith in her good nature - that she'll do something to set things right?

    What I suspect - and this is merely a guess on my part, so you'll have to examine yourselves to see if it holds true for you - is that the reason that we can't confidently make that assertion is that we just don't know enough about Yakumo's character at this point to know which way she will turn.

    From the very start, any Eri fan has had to contend with the poor first impressions that we get of her. She appears to be arrogant, but we see her secretly helping out her friends and never taking the credit for her hard work. She appears to be jealous, but we see her thoughts, we know what a lonely household she comes from, and we know how scared she is of losing the people that she holds dear. That's why, even when accusations of how she's mistreated Tenma go flying around, a chapter like 212 comes as little surprise - she condemns herself for wrongs that she never was responsible for, she takes an unwarranted slap from her worst rival, entertains the thought of having to give up the guy she cares about the most - and the only thought on her mind is her friend, Tenma. Those tears that she sheds is nothing more than confirmation for qualities that we've seen glimpses of throughout the series and believed in. We came to understand her character thoroughly, which is why we know her actions will ultimately be heroic.

    You've never faced this sort of crisis before, with Yakumo. In the early days of the series, we all agreed that "Yakumo is a good girl." We didn't bother to delve any deeper - there were no hidden meanings behind her actions. She was mysterious (which is another way of saying that we didn't know anything about her), but we were content to keep things that way. There was nothing about her character to defend - the words "Yakumo is a good girl" were enough to make her likable.

    But as Simone de Beauvoir once wrote, "Mystery is nothing more than a mirage that vanishes as we draw near to look at it." (Thanks goes out to ultraness for reminding me about that quote with his old sig) We've reached a point in time when "Yakumo is a good girl" is no longer a sufficient, or even an accurate appraisal of her character. If that's the only thing that we've known about Yakumo so far, to lose that is to lose the essence of her character. From here, she has to either grow into a full fledged character with both virtues and vices, or she remain as she is, a mere echo of the words "Yakumo is a good girl."

    You can't dodge the question much longer, I fear. Just who really is Tsukamoto Yakumo? If you can find the answer, you'll have nothing to worry about - no matter what she does, you'll be able to be secure in the belief that in the end, she'll always do the right thing.
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