You know, you can have best wishes for some person but if you actually do something opposite, you can't tell if she wants to reconcile or not (and I had the feeling Eri didn't want to reconcile by saying "partially that was my fault").
Originally Posted by ultraness
Again, I congratulate Tenma for being so stable after waiting whole day to apologize someone just to hear that, basically, stupid and insincere. Well, I think she actually deserved a little better explanation than that.
Yeah, your right - she still isn't adult so the form I used isn't really proper. About Lawrence Kohlberg, I didn't kn ew about him so I google to get some more information. Considering those level of moral reasoning.
By the way, Eri is an adolescent, not a "kidult." By definition, an adolescent is "a young person who has undergone puberty but who has not reached full maturity." To expect Eri to be fully mature is a bit much while she's still in the process of maturation. I have no idea where this notion of "kidults" came from; Lawrence Kohlberg would be ashamed.
LEVEL STAGE SOCIAL ORIENTATION
Pre-conventional 1 Obedience and Punishment
2 Individualism, Instrumentalism,
Conventional 3 "Good boy/girl"
4 Law and Order
Post-conventional 5 Social Contract
6 Principled Conscience
In my opinion, if we're going to use that - Eri stopped and Law and Order level, (and considering Lowrence rule that you can't jump off to social contracts without acquiring the previous one..).
Tenma actually has an idea why Eri is angry - she told that Mikoto and Yakumo. Indirectly, Tenma is sure she said something stupid and didn't even considered Eri feelings that time. Actually, If Tenma won't say sorry, she will probably never get to know why Eri is angry (at least Eri doesn't seem to care to explain the reason, she was untill now kinda satisfied with the results). Tenma (unbelievable) knows that it won't be never resolved if she won't be the first one to move.
Tenma’s method of reconciliation is very immature. She believes that simply saying sorry will make things all right between the two. If Tenma was actually mature, she’d realize that she needs to learn what made Eri mad before blindly attributing the blame entirely to herself so that she could correct herself from making future mistakes or correct any misunderstandings if they exist. Admitting you’re wrong while having no clue how you were wrong, or if you even were wrong, is childish.
BTW : Tenma tried to get to know the reason, but Eri is completely ignoring her and it's hard to approach her, while Mikoto wasn't much help here either. Having not much more choices (well, there is Akira which should know, but Tenma forgot about her and KJ didn't want for two of them to meet), she choices the hardest way, by showing how much she is sorry.
Confirmed, although situation is different - at least Eri knew why Harima was angry and Harima had really good reason to be mad at her (..I actually felt that Harima in next chapter will try to shave her head, but Harima at least remembered that his "origin of wrath" is a girl) .
For an example of a mature act, re-read the Sports Festival arc. Eri realizes she went too far by shaving Harima's head, so she acts responsible by making sure that Harima isn't publicly humiliated at her own expense.
NOT AGAIN !! That was probably the least serious situation of all, I don't know if those girls even remember that. And again, the situation was completely clear (Eri did "make moves" on Karasuma for sake of playing with Tenma :D)
Tenma has gotten mad for the exact same reason Eri was mad, so she's very capable of empathizing with Eri's plight. Way back in the first volume, Tenma got mad at Eri when she believed that Eri was making moves on Karasuma, and now Eri thinks, or thought, that Tenma was “betraying” her by pursuing Harima.
I feel that Eri is jumping too fast to conclusion. Even if my view gets blurred by the knowledge of the reader but..come on, were talking about Tenma here :) From Eri point of view, what kind of dangerous creature Tenma can be ? After the date, Eri believes even more that Tenma isn't really any obstacle for her (..although we - the readers - knows that she is). As I said before, Eri is blaming Tenma for her lack of success with Harima lately. She needed a reason for it so she wouldn't feel like it was her who lacked something.
Of course, in your opinion, Tenma didn’t do anything wrong since you, as a reader, know that Tenma did not do anything wrong. Eri, though, falsely believes that Tenma was going after Harima, which is why she was mad at her. You have to draw the line between character and reader perception. It’s situations like these that it’s necessary to empathize with the characters.
Oh, she is suffering alright - but she actually has a chance to stop to do it. Just some few words, she doesn't really needs to say that it was her fault or she was mad for no reason, at least she can say "It's ok" or something, Tenma will be happy as long as Eri won't be at her anymore. Eri has a good chance to reconcile, no - she wants to reconcile but she can't push herself to do it.
Ah, but Eri has already suffered for her actions. Why don't you leave her alone, then? I made a long post, but you only picked out one section to launch off an attack against Eri, and you're still continuing to just rant on about how she’s such a spoiled brat.
While Yakumo..well, she should apologize but I don't see any changes between her relationship with Eri (and sorry guys, no bloody marry pairing is going to happen). Yakumo still will consider her as "nuisance" and Eri will consider her as "rival".
But still, Eri is controling herself quite well - she got hit twice by Yakumo and she backed off twice too (although the first one was rather due to accident).