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    OMGItsTehSARS is offline Member Frequent Poster
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    Hey, it's not Yakumo's fault, KJ made her do it, I swear!...

    Anyways..on a more serious note, I agree with ratzuei, Eri deserved the slap. She got the text from Tenma that she'll apologize to her the day after, which is seconds before Harima said he'd agree to go with her the day after. And what did she choose? She went on the "date"...And that second to last statement of the summary is confusing...most important person is "someone like you" (Tenma??), so who's the most important person in Eri's book? I think there's a conflict of priorities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratzuei
    Why is that, as far as i can see the only way yakumo can suffer is that tenma gets angry with her, meanwhile if harima knows of this situation i think that he is going to support yakumo.
    Tenma was right there. She's going to be pretty mad.
    You're also forgetting that Harima always supports Tenma. Unless KJ decides to completely sidestep the issue for whatever reason, Yakumo is unbelievably screwed. I really hope that it's the latter, though. She's really been obnoxious since Ch.205.

    Quote Originally Posted by ratzuei
    And for the slap.... although i dont think that violence can solve things, I think that eri deserved that slap
    Perhaps, if Tenma had decided to give it, herself. Yakumo had no business interfering in that situation. Why does Yakumo have to do everything on Tenma's behalf, anyways?

    Quote Originally Posted by OMGItsTehSARS
    She got the text from Tenma that she'll apologize to her the day after, which is seconds before Harima said he'd agree to go with her the day after. And what did she choose? She went on the "date"...
    Eri needed time to cool off, which she did. Tenma didn't specify a meeting time, and didn't say where she would meet Eri. How is Eri supposed to figure all that out? Tenma's snowman conversion was her own doing.

    Once Eri had finished explaining herself, they would have made up fairly nicely. Yakumo's interference was unnecessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    It doesn't matter if it's significant. It's still pretty damning.
    No, it's not. It's a possible minor part of Yakumo's motive. But 99% of Yakumo's motive for slapping Eri was seeing Eri continue to be mean to Tenma after Tenma spent an entire night out in the snow waiting to apologize to her.

    You'll need to refer to my comment on hammerspace if you're going to figure this one out.
    Comic violence is still violence. Are you saying that if Eri had merely slapped Harima after his false confession instead of Shining Wizarding him, she would be more culpable? That's absurd. At best, the comic element excuses the excessiveness, but it's still violence. That's why Yakumo slapping Eri is a shock: she isn't a violent character.
    I don't care what she "seemed to show". We know her thoughts, and so we know otherwise. Even Tenma, who doesn't know her thoughts, is willing to listen. Yakumo is not involved in this issue, but she became violent. There's no justification for that.
    There's also no justification for Eri choosing to criticize Tenma for making Eri look like the bad guy instead of trying to reconcile. Even Eri knew that was wrong. Yakumo was so offended by this last insult to her beloved sister that she snapped. I disagree with her action and expect it to have terrible if not apocalyptic consequences, but I do understand why she did it.
    That's not the issue. Eri had a problem with what Tenma was doing, and she was explaining it to her. That's perfectly fair.
    Eri was doing a terrible job explaining it to her. From the sounds of it (with Eri thinking of what was most important to her), Eri wasn't even sure if she wanted to explain it to Tenma.
    You might have been able to argue that a chapter ago, but she's already suffered for it, now. Perhaps you could have justified Tenma doing the slap, but Yakumo had no actual grievance here.
    Two wrongs don't make a right. My point was that Eri was certainly in the wrong up to the point when Yakumo slapped her.
    Oh, but you forget. Tenma is at the core of Yakumo's vulnerabilities. Her behavior towards Tenma is in compensation for the guilt that she feels from their childhood. Tenma can have a devastating effect on Yakumo.
    What exactly do you think Tenma is going to do? Kick Yakumo's ass? Scream Yakumo's head off? Stop speaking to her? Tenma will probably be too shocked to respond well, while Yakumo is more focused than she has been in the entire manga. If ever there was a time that Yakumo could stand up to Tenma, it's now, when she is defending Tenma from someone whom Yakumo probably believes is the very worst friend in the world at the moment.

    We'll have to see, next week. But one thing I know is this - Eri doesn't need to raise a finger, to get revenge. Yakumo's actions have placed herself in harm's way. There's no more fitting punishment then that.
    I really doubt that Eri will be able to resist retaliation of some sort. She still hasn't settled things with Tenma, so Eri won't find the idea of letting Tenma fight for her against Yakumo very appealing. Either a verbal or, in the worst case scenario, a physical counterattack is probable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Two wrongs don't make a right. My point was that Eri was certainly in the wrong up to the point when Yakumo slapped her.
    This reminds me of that old elementary school saying:
    "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will NEVER hurt me."
    However, emotions are one complicated subject, but most people would also say it can be phrased the opposite:
    "Stick and stones may break my bones, but words will ALWAYS hurt me."

    They both did some "wrong" no doubt. But who's "wrong" has more weight on the victim?

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    Isn't it kinda obvious that Sawachika is the one at fault here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Charisma View Post
    Isn't it kinda obvious that Sawachika is the one at fault here?
    Apparently not.

    The problem is that fans of characters tend to see their favorites through tinted glasses that cover up all the faults of the favorite and enhance the defects of any rivals. Hence we see Eri receiving a well-deserved slap (not that violence is condonable, but whatever) by the hand of Yakumo leading to cries of "BURN THE EVIL SORCERESS!" Yes, it's true that Tenma's innocent actions have made Eri appear much worse than she was actually behaving, but the fact that Eri had the gall to scold Tenma for this was absolutely outrageous.

    If Eri hauled off and slugged Yakumo in the mouth next chapter, some would probably say that she had it coming.
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    swampstorm's yakumo hate scares me. Nuff said ):

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    should we retaliate with eri-hate? lol i dont' think we should, we probably need to know every piece of text of SR to tackle swampstorm on Eri

    anyways, that slap made Yakumo ever so much more attractive to me, i dunno bout u guys (maybe i'm a masochist)

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    mm i wouldnt do it, for the sole reason that its awfully tedious scanning SR scan folders in my comp for material, as compared to flipping through a book and scribbling stuff here and there in a IMA-WRITE-AN-EDITORIAL-NAO mode ;|

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    Well said, I'm too lazy to do that ish =).

    Last week the raw went out at 3:00-3:30AM PST, so only 5-6 more hours X__X

 

 
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