02-06-2007, 10:42 PM
Haha I see your point Grapejuice. Why do we always attack the opposition instead of defending the victim?
02-07-2007, 02:49 AM
Is it just me that notices that Tenma's body seems to go with the force of Yakumo's slap?
Therefore the only logical conclution that can be made is that Tenma is unconscious if you also consider her silence during the lecture.
02-07-2007, 08:17 AM
What a great thread! What a great forum! This is my first time here, being a very new SR fan. I bought the first volume on a whim a couple of weeks ago, and since then have been frantically searching for and downloading all the chapters I could lay my hands on. Finally I've managed to get up to date, thanks to this fabulous site. So, caveat - I've taken in all this stuff in a very short time, so forgive me if I'm not as ready with the details as I might be. All the same, this chapter was such a good one that I couldn't let a fab thread like this one go by without posting.
I'm not really an advocate of any particular Harima / ? combination. All of them seem pretty good, and I wouldn't mind any of them coming to fruition. So, that doesn't have any bearing on what I made of this chapter.
Bottom line, I think Eri deserved the slap. She has been consistently cold towards Tenma for several chapters now, and the one thing you don't do when someone comes to offer you a sincere apology is to criticise the manner of its being offered. To stand there and tear a strip off Tenma for staying out in the snow as if Tenma did that deliberately to show Eri up is just rude and hurtful. Yes, we know that on the inside Eri is confused and conflicted and is aware of just how awful she's being, which makes her a much more attractive character to the readers, but on the surface, i.e. the only thing that the other characters can see, she is being incredibly mean. That is before we even take the wider circumstances into account - in other words, Eri's actions were rude and hurtful even if they hadn't been to someone who had stayed out in the snow all night in an attempt to make an apology. And not just any apology - one that shouldn't even have been necessary. I think in the coming chapters Eri will even accept that she deserved that slap. From her inner monologue we can see that she knew she was acting out of order. I can imagine that she will have a reflective "yeah, I had that coming" moment in the near future.
Next, Yakumo. I read Swamp's animesuki post with interest. I agree to a large extent about the uncontrolled nature of Yakumo's reactions when she hears or perceives her sister being insulted or hurt. I agree that they most probably stem from her own early guilt, which she's been trying to make up for ever since. However, I think there is another dimension to Yakumo's actions. Yes, there is certainly a lot of guilt there, but there is genuine and straightforward love as well. Yakumo does want the best for Tenma, and not just in order to assuage her own background guilt.
The slap seems to me to be of the same order as Yakumo's previous physical reactions to Tenma's being insulted. That is to say, it's immediate, certainly not premeditated, and goalless. She's not trying to achieve anything particular by her actions, she's simply reacting out of a straightforward anger. She sees Tenma being hurt, and is hurt herself. I doubt she was thinking about getting Tenma inside or anything like that - always in the past, Yakumo's "getting serious" has been momentary and without a plan in mind. This seems to be the same kind of thing. I suspect almost the very first thing we'll hear her do in the next chapter (or whenever the events from this one continue) is apologise. That too is part of the pattern of her protective outbursts. The other thing I'd like to say about the slap is that I disagree with Swamp's assessment that it was a product of recognised guilt - identifying herself with Eri. It seems much more primal than that, more in keeping with her previous protective reactions.
So, I think Eri deserved the slap, and I can understand why Yakumo was the one who delivered it. Certainly Tenma might have been justified in delivering it, but she would NEVER do that. Not ever in any circumstances, and certainly not in the middle of an apology. Tenma just isn't like that. Even if we consider the unthinkable, that Tenma might have slipped that far out of character, such a slap would more likely have done more harm than good. Tenma's and Eri's misunderstanding would seem much more likely to escalate as a result of such an aggressive reaction. However, since it was the little sister who made the aggressive move I doubt that that will have such a negative impact on the relationship between Eri and Tenma. It will probably drive even more of a wedge between Eri and Yakumo though, even though both of them, given their characters and past actions, will likely repent of their words and actions in their hearts. I should clarify - I don't think Yakumo thought of that, or worked it through. Again, to me it seems that she was driven by a much more primal impulse and a marked lack of forethought.
Was Eri about to apologise? I think she probably was. She was on the verge of breaking down there, and I can imagine her just blurting out her feelings. I don't think she will now though. It would be hard to see how someone with her pride would be able to do the highminded thing having been slapped full in the face.
Harima's reaction? Guilt, I think. He'll feel guilty for having kept Eri out and made Tenma wait in the snow, even if it wasn't really his fault. I also get the impression that he would be more likely to be impressed at Tenma's fortitude and moral courage in making an apology than interested in the way it was accepted (or not) by Eri. Tenma's good qualities seem much more of interest to him than Eri's faults, or Yakumo's, come to that.
Just to be totally useless, I'm not sure what I'm hoping for in the next chapter, apart from some more treatment of these events. I'm impressed by how KJ has somehow kept all of his characters sympathetic. Even though I am beginning to lose patience with Eri, I still understand where she's coming from and sympathise with her situation. I look forward to being further impressed next week!
Hm. And that's about it. Apologies for rambling on. First post fever...
02-07-2007, 08:41 AM
Eri might have deserved to be slapped - her actions were horrible, she was purposely hearting Tenma for...actually, even Eri doesn't understand it completely - which makes her even more bully (bully for the sake of bulling - negate everything because were mad at something/have negative opinion of it). But the problem is different - does this slap solves anything ? Eri, being "negative" right know - my misinterpret Yakumo. It's not like Eri won't understand why she was slapped - but she could just add few more motives for which Yakumo slapped her (being with Harima, shrimp incident) just for the sake for making herself less guilty. For Eri, that will be waging a war - a very uncomfortable situation for Tenma, since she became a motive of it.
[/QUOTE=Isenfolme]Hm. And that's about it. Apologies for rambling on. First post fever...[/QUOTE]
You make us look like some punks who doesn't let anyone else have their opinion That hurts...
Of course you can "ramble on", we're waiting for more from you
02-07-2007, 12:34 PM
if it would have been my sister i would have punched her not just slapped her. I'm not into violence but if anyone ever treated my siblings like that they are not worth beign friends. I think its well deserved retrobution for ditching tenma.
02-07-2007, 01:07 PM
Then you are a bloody bastard You can't hit girls
02-07-2007, 01:53 PM
You shouldn't hit anyone, the situation wasn't nearly as bad as to warrant any physical retaliation on the level of a full on hit. A slap is passable, but anything more is wrong.
02-07-2007, 08:13 PM
I fairly agree with the contents of ur post, okay maybe like Grapejuice said it is not so persuasive. But, in reality i feel so too. Like in the prev chap about Eri's coldness toward Tenma. Some people justified her action by putting the whole blame toward Tenma, and now in slapping case, some push over the blame on Yakumo. What i want to say is defending a char is okay but not until the extent of implying everything she does is righteous, or forgiveable.
Originally Posted by OMGItsTehSARS
I am not saying that Yakumo is righteous too, but her action at that time is tolerable. Because :
1. some says that the slap was delivered when Eri's trying to say reconciliation word ?
Now, how can Yakumo know what is Eri's going to say. She presume what will she said after those harsh word on Tenma then snap. Don't say that we readers know it. Like Ultraness said to me before, use the char perception in arguing, don't use our POV as a reader then.
2. Eri's has stop the harsh word when Yakumo slap her?
Consider timing, see the space between those three. Yakumo needs times to thinks and move, so she can't slap Eri right when Eri's talking.
GrapeJuice : Well my points is that we cannot be so sure about a char's personality in the manga, so maybe we can be deceived by our own POV.
LONG LIVE HIME-SAMA. MY LIFE FOR RUMBLANDIA!
02-08-2007, 05:29 PM
Yes you´re right about that, i dont like these guys obsessed with one character or relationship, justifying that every thing they do is right. Thats just stupid, this only a manga.
But well i just want to see how the flag supporters if these series of events damage the harimaxeri pairing.
And for least i dont really like how is the series development going now, i miss the randomness of the series. Now it seems another teen drama.
02-08-2007, 05:44 PM