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    Kolox is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    I thought about it but Umezo has enough problems with his girlfriend already that he won't even care about Harima and Eri.
    Those too are just a freaking different pair - it's like an opposite to Harima x Eri - the guy is the jealous one and the girl doesn't do anything of it. But it's not it's her fault - I think Umezo actually doesn't know much about Madoka and her friends, meeting just at school, propably talking about it too. If he knew about her more personal life, he wouldn't be so jealous. He is jealous because he feels insecure about this relationship.

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    I also think that it would be a very big mess for Flag is Tenma almost freezes to death... Imagine, Harima is very concerned with Eri about catching a cold, while his only love nearly froze to death.. Truly a disaster!! Especially when he found out that Tenma is looking for Eri.

    I'm thinking that Hige will blame himself, since he thinks very very differently (politically correct term for stupidly). He might think that he is to blame because he wasn't there for her. Or maybe because he went out with Eri that's why he cannot do anything about her. I really don't know what goes on with Harima's mind... (cool )

    On part of Umezu and Kido, we still don't know what Kido Madoka is really doing. We don't know what her activities are. But as we can notice, she always gives time to Umezu. We don't really know if she is flirty but we can say that she is friendly. Maybe because Umezu doesn't really know what she does, makes him very very insecure, especially because of the guys she's with, rich, very rich and filthy rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vekou View Post
    On part of Umezu and Kido, we still don't know what Kido Madoka is really doing. We don't know what her activities are. But as we can notice, she always gives time to Umezu. We don't really know if she is flirty but we can say that she is friendly. Maybe because Umezu doesn't really know what she does, makes him very very insecure, especially because of the guys she's with, rich, very rich and filthy rich.
    Not entirely true...we've seen that Madoka is very flirty(giving her number to some random guy at the tea house during the culture festival) the question is is she just flirty or does she act more upon it?

    Anyways, the situation that has been set up for the coming chapter or chapters is quite interesting. I don't know how it's going to go when and if Harima finds out Tenma is freezing to death outside Eri's house, or how he'll react when he finds out she's out there because she wants to reconcile with Eri and Eri knows this. I do however, believe it won't be pretty for Flag, at least not right away. It could potentially be the catalyst that finally brings them together, or it could completely destroy the possibility.

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    Speaking of Madoka. I dislike her a bit, cause she is too flirty sometimes.
    LONG LIVE HIME-SAMA. MY LIFE FOR RUMBLANDIA!


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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien
    That seemed pretty normal to me. Harima has been concerned for Eri's welfare since the beginning and commented on her catching a cold in b43, and of course he was nervous about the love hotel. How could anyone not feel extremely awkward in that situation?
    This is Harima we're talking about. This is the guy who was so absolutely devoted to Tenma that the mere thought of being tempted by another girl never crossed his mind.

    Think back to the earlier story arcs that involved Onigiri. A lot of the humor of those scenes revolved around Harima completely missing the innuendo that was present in those scenes. The reason why he can say "Imouto-san, make me into a man" with a completely straight face is because he feels absolutely no sexual tension when he's around Yakumo. Throw him into a scene with Tenma, though, and he's suddenly jumps at the slightest whiff of a romantic implication.

    Now, take a look at this chapter. Harima and Eri are at a love hotel. Harima hasn't the faintest clue that Eri is in love with him, so he shouldn't feel any danger of her taking advantage of the situation. Eri is fairly calm about the situation too - she was embarrassed at first, but then she became practical about the situation.

    Harima, by contrast, is extremely worked up about the situation. He even goes so far as to think that it's the last thing that he wants to do. Furthermore, when he finally decides to go through with it, he tells Eri to call home, out of concern for Eri spending the night with him. It's almost as if he's afraid of what he'll do to her.

    In all, the scene carries that same feel from Ch.152 where Harima keeps insisting that his change in attitude towards Eri was "just for a moment". He's convincing himself, more than anyone else.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien
    But it didn't progress here. It was the same "Eri and Harima stuck together in an uncomfortable situation" that we've seen many times before. And while the stakes were raised by the love hotel, they were quickly defused by the cell phone and the 24-hour family restaurant.
    Every romance manga constantly throws couples into uncomfortable situations and then diffuses them before they amount to anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien
    Harima has grown much closer to Eri as a friend, but he still hasn't considered her in a romantic light despite being thrust into suggestive situations with her many times.
    This statement seems to be at odds with your first one. The love hotel was a suggestive situation. He seemed very much aware of the romantic implications this time around, despite the fact that he is usually characterized as being oblivious.

    I think your statement is better applied to Tenma's views towards Harima.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien
    This is very different from the Omiai arc. Then, Tenma was in a strange situation but certainly wasn't in any serious danger of being married off, while Eri was in a real personal crisis. Now, Tenma is the one slowly freezing to death (maybe) while Eri and Harima are in a false crisis that vanished as soon as Harima took out his cell phone. They can stay in the restaurant as long as necessary in warmth and comfort, but poor Tenma doesn't have that luxury.
    The big difference between Tenma and Eri is this:

    Tenma's story line is more comical and lighthearted, while Eri's storyline is more serious and dramatic.

    In this chapter, Tenma turned into a snowman. This isn't a serious crisis - it's pure comedy. If KJ wanted to give this a serious treatment, you'd see Tenma slowly sprawl over and pass out, calling out to Eri, and then get covered with snow. When you see her into turn a snowman instead, the humor of the moment diffuses any dramatic tension attached to it. I mean, come on - the snowman even has antennae coming out of it.

    Given that Masaru can't follow any instruction properly, I'd say that Eri and Harima's situation seems to have more dramatic tension attached to it than Tenma's situation does.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien
    Harima's pursuit of Tenma is his motivation; it informs everything he does. It was treated seriously in 158-159, the keystone of the manga and the turning point in the Harima/Tenma relationship.
    So you call it the keystone of the manga. Others call it "the second time Harima and Tenma made up after Tenma thought that Harima was a monkey." It's actually kind of anti-climactic when you compare it with the ending of the Omiai arc which finished a few chapters earlier.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien
    Since then, they have steadily grown closer with fewer misunderstandings - in the Valentine's Day chapter 170 Harima panicks that Tenma will misunderstand Itoko and Youko's presence: "She's going to think 'Harima you're the worst' due to a misunderstanding!" But despite Harima's bungling, things work out, and on page 9 the sidetext enigmatically comments, "...and there's a meaning to the new pattern."
    It's hardly "enigmatic" if you bother to read the chapter. It's a reference back to Harima's comment, earlier.

    Do you know another two characters who have steadily grown closer with fewer misunderstandings? Try Eri and Harima.

    Mind you, I don't doubt that Tenma and Harima will end up as really good friends, before this is all over. I just don't see the slightest bit of romance between the two, though. In the earlier chapters, you at least saw Harima making some kind of effort to pursue Tenma romantically. Over the past little while, it's been clear that he enjoys being with her, but you don't really see him plotting to advance their relationship, the way he used to do, long ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien
    The key issue isn't whether Harima can confess, it's how Tenma will react upon receiving the revelation that Harima loves her. Tenma has never even considered Harima as a possible boyfriend, while Harima has had a potential relationship with Eri repeatedly thrust in his face. So it is Tenma whose reaction is more in question.
    You know, the fact that the whole question of Harima x Tenma hasn't been thrust on the reader should be a pretty good clue that it isn't all that relevant. If KJ is hammering the reader over the head with Harima x Eri, I would certainly think that he's doing it for a reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien
    That may be changing now, as we head into the home stretch. Tenma's relationship with Eri has been threatened by the emerging love triangle, and her relationship with Harima will be altered if/when she learns the truth.
    Tenma knows that Eri loves Harima. If Tenma finds out that Harima is chasing after her while leading Eri on, she'll be absolutely livid. "Altered" is an understatement. Try "annihilated".

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien
    Tenma can pursue Karasuma regardless of Harima's feelings, unless she learns of them and hesitates. If Tenma never learns the truth, then she is not really a main character at all but a side character who exists primarily as an obstacle to Harima's other relationships - IOW, the same as living plot device Karasuma, who has zero significance outside his connections to Tenma and Harima.
    The problem here is that you're defining Tenma's importance as a character in relation to Harima. Rather, if Tenma never learns the truth, it simply means that Harima isn't all that important to her story.

    I understand what you're trying to do, though. In most shounen manga, the protagonist is a male, and the relative importance of the female cast members depends entirely on how strong of a relationship they each build with him. In School Rumble, however, the protagonists are female. The focus, the conflicts, and the character development are all tied in to the female leads, rather than the male ones.

    The effects of this are seen throughout the manga. During the Cultural Festival play, for example, you have a role reversal - Harima is the princess, and Eri is the prince who has to fight for Harima's love. Or even take a look at the discussion of the current chapter - "if Eri doesn't resolve things with Tenma, Harima will get angry with her." The action is associated with Eri, and the reaction with Harima - once again, the reverse of what you see in typical shounen manga.

    If this story were centered around Harima, then you would have a point. However, because the story is centered around Tenma and Eri, it is their quests with which we are concerned. Tenma is a main protagonist because the story is built off of her pursuit of Karasuma, from day one. Eri is a main protagonist because every story arc is built around her pursuit of Harima. The importance of both characters arise from this, rather than their relationship to some "harem male".

    The real question is - can you accept the possibility that the female protagonists are simply more important to the storyline than the male ones are?

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien
    Harima had the same concern for Eri in b43 and even said it aloud. In this much worse situation, his concern is pretty normal. After all, his very first interaction with Eri was sharing his umbrella with her.
    Ah, but there's a big change this time. In b43, you could argue that his concern for her health is simply an act of politeness and consideration. In 210, Harima gets angry at the thought of her catching a cold. What you see here is a combination of two things - an intense concern for Eri's well being, and yet another tsundere outburst from Harima.
    Last edited by Swampstorm; 01-31-2007 at 01:15 PM.

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    You really made some good points there Swampstorm.

    Btw I still think it was a pity that they didn't put the part when Yakumo come to help Harima drawing his manga (the first time) into the anime.
    And for once Itoko acted completely uncool
    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    She(Yakumo) is cute when she is embarrassed. And she has such nasty thoughts...come on, what's more perverted than going under the same umbrella

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    Originally Posted by NeoSapien
    Harima had the same concern for Eri in b43 and even said it aloud. In this much worse situation, his concern is pretty normal. After all, his very first interaction with Eri was sharing his umbrella with her.
    Ah, but there's a big change this time. In b43, you could argue that his concern for her health is simply an act of politeness and consideration. In 210, Harima gets angry at the thought of her catching a cold. What you see here is a combination of two things - an intense concern for Eri's well being, and yet another tsundere outburst from Harima.
    And of course, we all know theres nothing more perverted and sexually satisfying than a couple under an umbrella *nods*

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    Thumbs down Fail

    Quote Originally Posted by Towel
    And of course, we all know theres nothing more perverted and sexually satisfying than a couple under an umbrella *nods*
    There's an umbrella in Ch.210?

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    There was none But it refers to other topic when we agreed Yakumo is perverted for coming up with such idea for Karasuma's manga.

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    So who failed then? XD

 

 
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