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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon
    Maybe you should look at things logically instead of letting your Eri-love blind you to character development.
    Would you mind pointing out specific logical flaws with my post, then? That's part of the debating process, after all.

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    I don't, in fact, have much of a problem with Flag. I don't mind Flag. I do, however, have enough sense to wonder if Kobayashi-sensei is changing the portrayal of Eri, maybe to support a Flag ending.
    Given that KJ hasn't addressed Eri's feelings towards Tenma over the past two chapters, he hasn't really changed his portrayal at all. The only things that we've seen from Eri in 209 and 210 is with regards to Harima.

    The only thing that's different is that some people seem to be angry at Tenma turning into a snowman - which was a decision that Tenma made entirely on her own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    Would you mind pointing out specific logical flaws with my post, then? That's part of the debating process, after all.
    There was no specific flaw; your points were accurate. However, they *were* biased. My point is not that Eri is a mean character, although perhaps I misrepresented myself as beliving such a thing. I meant to imply that her character development is becoming more negative now, at least, in my opinion.

    Given that KJ hasn't addressed Eri's feelings towards Tenma over the past two chapters, he hasn't really changed his portrayal at all. The only things that we've seen from Eri in 209 and 210 is with regards to Harima.

    The only thing that's different is that some people seem to be angry at Tenma turning into a snowman - which was a decision that Tenma made entirely on her own.
    It's more of how Eri is reacting to Tenma in a jealous manner. Logically, the actions in 209 and 210 are understandable without considering negative character traits, but will manga readers actually feel that way? The way they're wrriten, it FEELS like Eri's being cold towards Tenma, even if that's not actually happening event-wise.

    But again, that's how I read it from the POV of a mostly non-biased person. (I'll admit I like Tenma as a character, but not very much more than anyone else.)
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    I need a raw to say what I exactly think about this chapter. At that time I have a 2 questions:
    1. Why Tenma don't try to come in to Sawachika's house or to call Eri? Did she acts like in this case everytime when she comes to Eri?
    2. Whay didn't Harima remembered about a cellphone just in front of a love hotel?

    A love hotel..... it seems like a destiny is trying to make them a pair itself
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    There was no specific flaw; your points were accurate. However, they *were* biased. My point is not that Eri is a mean character, although perhaps I misrepresented myself as beliving such a thing. I meant to imply that her character development is becoming more negative now, at least, in my opinion.
    If his comments are accurate, what does it matter that they're biased?

    Quote Originally Posted by larry View Post
    I need a raw to say what I exactly think about this chapter. At that time I have a 2 questions:
    1. Why Tenma don't try to come in to Sawachika's house or to call Eri? Did she acts like in this case everytime when she comes to Eri?
    2. Whay didn't Harima remembered about a cellphone just in front of a love hotel?
    1. Tenma isn't bright. Tenma hasn't been in any serious fights with Eri before, so we don't have anything to compare Tenma's recent actions to.
    2. It's a plot device, in my opinion, so that Harima and Eri would go to a love hotel together. If Harima had let Eri use his cellphone in the earlier chapter, they wouldn't have needed to go to a love hotel. Also, it prevented Eri from getting a ride to her house and encountering Tenma, delaying their inevitable confrontation.

    Quote Originally Posted by larry View Post
    A love hotel..... it seems like a destiny is trying to make them a pair itself
    I believe the Kyoto arc established quite clearly how hard destiny is at work in order for a Flag ending.

    This is just another aspect that will help Flag down the stretch. Oudou might have Yakumo, but Flag has destiny. Can Yakumo defeat fate? I think not.
    Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. - Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Quote Originally Posted by larry View Post
    I need a raw to say what I exactly think about this chapter. At that time I have a 2 questions:
    1. Why Tenma don't try to come in to Sawachika's house or to call Eri? Did she acts like in this case everytime when she comes to Eri?
    2. Whay didn't Harima remembered about a cellphone just in front of a love hotel?

    A love hotel..... it seems like a destiny is trying to make them a pair itself
    1. Hmm...to scared to go I think I would have doubts too going to Eri household..you know, chainsaw and stuff
    2. Because it's Harima we are talking about

    It seems they weren't prepared for that yet...hopefully for them. Relationship based solely on sex aren't stable.

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    AAAH! so hard not to see spoilers!! So Townsocks should have this out by Sunday you think? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon
    It's more of how Eri is reacting to Tenma in a jealous manner. Logically, the actions in 209 and 210 are understandable without considering negative character traits, but will manga readers actually feel that way? The way they're wrriten, it FEELS like Eri's being cold towards Tenma, even if that's not actually happening event-wise.
    I agree that this is a common mistake to make. However, this is the very reason why we must be vocal in defending Eri's actions - for the sake of fairness.

    Quote Originally Posted by larry
    Why Tenma don't try to come in to Sawachika's house or to call Eri? Did she acts like in this case everytime when she comes to Eri?
    That's one of the mysteries at work here. Usually, before you go to someone's house, you call them before you set out, to make sure that they are home. That way, if they aren't at home, you can try and find them elsewhere. You have to actually arrange to meet before you meet.

    That's one of the reasons why it's silly to blame Eri for this development. How is Eri supposed to know where to meet Tenma, if Tenma hasn't told Eri exactly when and where she wants to meet?

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    Whay didn't Harima remembered about a cellphone just in front of a love hotel?
    Because it's more fun for him to go inside and think about all the perverted things that could happen with Eri.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    Hmm...to scared to go I think I would have doubts too going to Eri household..you know, chainsaw and stuff
    English butlers are very polite to visitors. Then again, if you're worried about being thrown out, the logical thing to do is to call ahead, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    Because it's more fun for him to go inside and think about all the perverted things that could happen with Eri.
    Swampstorm, Is this really a serious answer . Remember, we are talking about Harima here, Harima........ And i believe he wouldn't think up something like that....
    Well, based on the spoiler i have something to say :
    1. Why Tenma don't try to come in to Sawachika's house or to call Eri? Did she acts like in this case everytime when she comes to Eri?
    Because, as Ultraness said and other have said (included me). Tenma is not bright. She said herself that she is so stupid that she doesn't even know what she did to make her friend angry . So basically she is only afraid of coming into Eri's house suddenly. she is thinking how to apologize (God know how slow this girl is) to Eri. at least that's how i see things. And the answer of ur second question is absolutely NO.

    I agree with DE : not that we confront Flag ending or whatsoever, but Swampstorm ur comment are biased. You are talking about some of the truth there but with the biased to Eri's sides. The truth shall remain in the shadow of ur biased POV ......

    But, we have to see. In this chap. Eri has cooldown ( well, she ask Masaru whether Tenma is waiting in front of her house or not. That means she is concerned about her now. Good improvement )
    But : i am confused about this fact . now have u all been thinking Why does Eri asked "if there is someone waiting IN FRONT OF HER HOUSE ?"
    Not that "If there was someone searching for me before?"
    It seems that she is expecting Tenma to be standing in front of the door.....

    PS : DE : God Bless U that u don't love Eri, cause this confirmed that u are not a lesbian................ ^___________^
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    I thought men liked lesbians? Whatever. Tani-sensei is my one and only School Rumble love. ^____^
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    Okay, seriously Lesbian are fun to watch. I admit it. But then i do not like the idea of same sex's Marriage or relationship ( come on i was born in Indonesia, Eastern culture is far more hypocrite and closed. So i guess it was affecting my POV ^____^ )
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