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    Currently, Yakumo doesn't know the story of what happened between Eri and Tenma. As such, she isn't in a position to judge who was right and who was wrong. Any assumptions made in this manner would only show a bias towards her sister and/or a bias against Eri.

    Furthermore, Eri hasn't actually done anything to hurt Tenma; rather, Tenma has been hurting Eri. The only thing that Eri has done so far is to avoid Tenma - and everyone has a right to get some space.

    Ch.206 shows Yakumo developing somewhat of a fangirl personality towards Harima - she doesn't want him for herself, but she expects him to behave in exactly the way she imagines him to be. Her interest in pairing up Tenma and Harima is solely because she doesn't want him to change. That's part of the reason why the possibility of an Eri x Harima pairing is so frightening to her - if Harima switches his love interest, he cannot live up to the image of being stubborn and steadfast.

    Of course, the segment with Iori at the end of the chapter serves as the antithesis to Yakumo's viewpoint: no matter how much Yakumo wishes for Harima to remain the way he is, Harima can and will continue to change. No matter how much Yakumo tries to force a pairing between Tenma and Harima, nature alone will decide the ultimate course of events.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see open hatred on the part of Yakumo towards Eri. We've already seen her deliver some snide remarks to Eri in Ch.205, and she did have a fairly smug smile on her face when she separated Harima and Eri after taking over Iori's body in a recent b chapter. Such emnity isn't really all that surprising, given that Eri probably represents the biggest obstacle to Yakumo's vision of what Harima "should be", at the moment.

    Tenma and Eri will need to resolve their conflict on their own. Eri's probably going to have to enlist Tenma's help if the two of them are going to win over their respective love interests - especially given the fact that Yakumo will be actively working against them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    Furthermore, Eri hasn't actually done anything to hurt Tenma; rather, Tenma has been hurting Eri. The only thing that Eri has done so far is to avoid Tenma - and everyone has a right to get some space.
    Cold shoulder = hurting here. Tenma, seeing how Eri is avoiding her, is suffering. I doubt that Eri knows her friend bad enough to not be able to predict Tenma's reaction on her behaviour.

    With everything else - agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    Furthermore, Eri hasn't actually done anything to hurt Tenma; rather, Tenma has been hurting Eri. The only thing that Eri has done so far is to avoid Tenma - and everyone has a right to get some space.
    Eri isn't avoiding Tenma - she is ignoring it. That's a really cruel way to treat friend, because Tenma doesn't know what she did (and actually, knowing how Harima is making Tenma know about his feelings - she actually has no reason's to know). Eri is being a total....not nice person here

    I wouldn't be surprised to see open hatred on the part of Yakumo towards Eri. We've already seen her deliver some snide remarks to Eri in Ch.205, and she did have a fairly smug smile on her face when she separated Harima and Eri after taking over Iori's body in a recent b chapter. Such emnity isn't really all that surprising, given that Eri probably represents the biggest obstacle to Yakumo's vision of what Harima "should be", at the moment.
    I'm pretty sure Yakumo will open herself in the future - but It might be already over with Eri-Tenma conflict, so she won't have reasons to hate her anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Cold shoulder = hurting here. Tenma, seeing how Eri is avoiding her, is suffering. I doubt that Eri knows her friend bad enough to not be able to predict Tenma's reaction on her behaviour.

    With everything else - agreed.
    Well, the general principle is like this. If you're trying to build a relationship with someone, the last thing that you want is to have someone else get in the way - especially not a friend who knows your current situation. At the very least, Tenma knows that Eri loves Harima - so why is she constantly putting herself between the two?

    Let's take a look at Ep.4, S1, as a parallel case. Eri sees Tenma being indecisive about Karasuma, and so she sits next to him to incite Tenma into taking action - putting herself between Tenma and Karasuma in the process. In response, Tenma became furious and got revenge by making Eri carsick. Clearly, in Tenma's mind, this principle holds as well.

    Now, if Tenma became so angry over a single incident, imagine how angry Eri must be, after seeing the same thing happen, day in and day out. Yet, Eri never took action, all this time. Even now, the only thing that she's done is to avoid Tenma - because when a friend is constantly hurting you, the best thing to do is to stay away, rather than letting yourself be hurt. In my mind, that's more than fair. Eri certainly has a lot more patience than most people would, in that same situation.

    I do feel sorry that Tenma is sad, but it's high time that she found out that she was being inconsiderate to her friend. It's the only way that things could ever change.

    Eri isn't happy about the situation either - Ch. 208 still shows her upset over her conflict with Tenma, and by Ch.209, she's so distraught that she's started to misplace all sorts of important things. Tenma isn't the only one suffering here - but until Tenma resolves the situation, nothing can be done.
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    About the bus incident, wasn't that plain teasing from Eri Even someone like Tenma understood that well. And saying she was "so angry: is bad way to put it : she forgot about it after the trip - Tenma doesn't keep grudges.

    If Eri should be mad at anyone, it should be Harima and... herself. Harima was giving her a foul signs of his feelings, from her point of view - he might have played her and just got boered because she hadn't replied. But she isn't better - always denying her feelings towards him although they're pretty obvious or showing her feelings in..rather extraordinary way which makes his life even more complicated.

    It's not like Tenma was flirting with Harima - she is his friend and she there is nothing bad in friend-friend talk - Eri is being envious, because for Tenma being Harima's friend was really easy. For Eri - not. She was working hard to get close to her.

    I might agree about the fact that Eri is suffering here, but she isn't faultless here - it's really good from Tenma that she wants to clear this thing up - at least one of those person is trying to be honest here.

    Yakumo will propably still stay passive here - I don't see her interference making any changes here. It's not like she has any authority here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm
    Currently, Yakumo doesn't know the story of what happened between Eri and Tenma.
    I have to disagree with it.

    Yakumo already showed us her knowledge about Harima's feelings in the shrimp event with her famous phrase "Harima-san loves shrimps". And obviously she knows Eri's feelings. Knowing this couldn't be hard guess the conflict between Eri and Tenma.

    CH 206 was very interesting indeed, and I'm thankful to bring it to this topic Swampstorm. Eri was in Tenma's house to eat shrimp (something that she hate) only because Harima went. And Harima went because Tenma invited him (he hates shrimps too), and Eri knew that he hated the shrimp, then why he was going there?...All that happened in front of Yakumo. She got some clues and she is a smart girl ^.~ get your own conclusions.

    I will like say something else. That phrase, it was an almost direct attempt to protect her sister "territory" from Eri?

    Anyway, theories aside. She isnt aware of everything. But she with her knowledge, she surely have a good idea of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm
    Ch.206 shows Yakumo developing somewhat of a fangirl personality towards Harima - she doesn't want him for herself, but she expects him to behave in exactly the way she imagines him to be. Her interest in pairing up Tenma and Harima is solely because she doesn't want him to change. That's part of the reason why the possibility of an Eri x Harima pairing is so frightening to her - if Harima switches his love interest, he cannot live up to the image of being stubborn and steadfast.
    I think that is the best idea about Yakumo's feelings. =3

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    If Eri should be mad at anyone, it should be Harima and... herself. Harima was giving her a foul signs of his feelings
    *Points the Harima's declaration, Kyoto event and Harima's visit* SR, a comedy of missunderstandings.

    PD:

    Something to think about.

    Did you noticed that all Eri's fight with her friends have something to do with Harima?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vicius View Post

    Did you noticed that all Eri's fight with her friends have something to do with Harima?
    You mean two fights With Mikoto and right now with Tenma. She doesn't have any other problems with her friends, she likes them for what they are - but when the guy comes...that's the different story. Seems Eri just wants to be..hmm.. better ?

    What's a point of Yakumo being omnipotent and knowing everything if she won't do anything - believing that Harima-san and Nee-san will find their way to happiness if she won't interfere.
    She made a new meaning for saying "not being selfish" - being completely ignorant to other people - she actually doesn't understand how much influence she has on all this people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    Well, the general principle is like this. If you're trying to build a relationship with someone, the last thing that you want is to have someone else get in the way - especially not a friend who knows your current situation. At the very least, Tenma knows that Eri loves Harima - so why is she constantly putting herself between the two?
    Because she is having fun being near Harima of course.

    And BTW - she knows only half of situation - she knows that Eri loves Harima. But she has no idea about the second part - and this second part is exactly the one which makes situation explosive. She doesn't know that Harima loves her. This lack of knowladge makes impossible the correct analysis of situation.

    Let's take a look at Ep.4, S1, as a parallel case. Eri sees Tenma being indecisive about Karasuma, and so she sits next to him to incite Tenma into taking action - putting herself between Tenma and Karasuma in the process. In response, Tenma became furious and got revenge by making Eri carsick. Clearly, in Tenma's mind, this principle holds as well.
    Motives of Eri back then were far from just charity onse. As far as I remember she wanted to tease Tenma, to show her that she is superior - she can freely talk with boys when Tenma can't. Tenma got angry and had her revenge.

    Now, if Tenma became so angry over a single incident, imagine how angry Eri must be, after seeing the same thing happen, day in and day out. Yet, Eri never took action, all this time.
    She didn't take any action till nowdays only because she felt superior to Tenma and have never seen her as rival. Eri began to realize Harima's real feeling only in latest chapters, earlier she has no idea about what this feelings are.

    Even now, the only thing that she's done is to avoid Tenma - because when a friend is constantly hurting you, the best thing to do is to stay away, rather than letting yourself be hurt. In my mind, that's more than fair
    Well, it is the least harmful to both way, I agree.

    But: Eri knows that Tenma has no idea about Harima's love to her. And she does understand that Tenma is not hurting her intentedly. What really hurts Eri is feeling inferior to Tenma. Her pride is hurting Eri. Not Tenma.

    I do feel sorry that Tenma is sad, but it's high time that she found out that she was being inconsiderate to her friend. It's the only way that things could ever change.
    If Eri would be able to suppress her pride and Tenma - to avoid Harima then will be able to reconcile. But the Harima will get hurt - "Why is Tenma-chan ignoring me?!"

    Eri isn't happy about the situation either - Ch. 208 still shows her upset over her conflict with Tenma, and by Ch.209, she's so distraught that she's started to misplace all sorts of important things. Tenma isn't the only one suffering here - but until Tenma resolves the situation, nothing can be done.
    But yet, Eri is wrighting "Do what you want" and going to date instead of reconsiling with her friend. That means that man is more important to Eri than friend - which goes against Eris's words, which were said to Mikoto: "Guys over friends...you are the worst!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    About the bus incident, wasn't that plain teasing from Eri Even someone like Tenma understood that well. And saying she was "so angry: is bad way to put it : she forgot about it after the trip - Tenma doesn't keep grudges.
    Well, Eri makes it clear in Ep.4 that she's annoyed by Tenma's indecisiveness and wants to give her a push. That's when she jumps in.

    Also, Tenma does get angry, regardless of intent. She does keep grudges on occasion, from what we've seen in her approach to Harima's "monkey" behavior.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    If Eri should be mad at anyone, it should be Harima and... herself. Harima was giving her a foul signs of his feelings, from her point of view - he might have played her and just got boered because she hadn't replied. But she isn't better - always denying her feelings towards him although they're pretty obvious or showing her feelings in..rather extraordinary way which makes his life even more complicated.
    Actually, Eri's treatment of Harima mirrors how he treats her. While she might be nervous about confessing her feelings, she still does treat him extraordinarily nicely, when he isn't being rude to her.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    It's not like Tenma was flirting with Harima - she is his friend and she there is nothing bad in friend-friend talk - Eri is being envious, because for Tenma being Harima's friend was really easy. For Eri - not. She was working hard to get close to her.
    Actually, it's more than that. Eri would start up a conversation with Harima - only to have Tenma jump in and take over, excluding Eri in the process. She's also caught the two of them meeting alone in class after school, without her knowledge - which also suggests to her that something else may be going on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    I might agree about the fact that Eri is suffering here,
    That's a matter of fact, not a matter of agreement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    but she isn't faultless here - it's really good from Tenma that she wants to clear this thing up - at least one of those person is trying to be honest here.
    I'm glad that Tenma wants to clear things up. But I'd rather see Tenma try to find out what's wrong and fix it, instead of just saying sorry to diffuse the situation. This isn't a matter of fault - it's a matter of a problem that needs to be resolved. I'm sure the two are more than capable of working things out and healing the rift.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    Yakumo will propably still stay passive here - I don't see her interference making any changes here. It's not like she has any authority here.
    Well, she can't interfere without making things worse - or without tainting her character.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    Because she is having fun being near Harima of course.
    You don't have fun at your friend's expense. Tenma could have easily kept them both in the conversation, if she was more considerate.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    And BTW - she knows only half of situation - she knows that Eri loves Harima. But she has no idea about the second part - and this second part is exactly the one which makes situation explosive. She doesn't know that Harima loves her. This lack of knowladge makes impossible the correct analysis of situation.
    That first half, which she knows, is more than enough to dictate the proper course of action. If she knows that Eri loves Harima, and if she herself has no interest in pursuing Harima at her friend's expense, then she should know better than to place herself in between.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    Motives of Eri back then were far from just charity onse. As far as I remember she wanted to tease Tenma, to show her that she is superior - she can freely talk with boys when Tenma can't. Tenma got angry and had her revenge.
    You need to rewatch that episode, then. Eri wanted to pair the two up. As a matter of fact, even in the very next episode, Eri secretly prompts Karasuma to encourage Tenma - just to make Tenma feel better. Eri has been one of Tenma's greatest supporters in Tenma's quest to win over Karasuma. For that matter, when any one of the other three girls have a problem, Eri is usually the one to step in - as also seen during Mikoto's breakup with Asou, or Akira's doubts for writing the play in S2 Ep.4. Eri devotes herself to her friends, which is why she tends to be even more sensitive to acts of betrayal.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    She didn't take any action till nowdays only because she felt superior to Tenma and have never seen her as rival. Eri began to realize Harima's real feeling only in latest chapters, earlier she has no idea about what this feelings are.
    In 204, Eri mentions something along the lines of:

    "Tenma, what am I ever going to do with you? Don't you know what I'm going through?"

    Eri doesn't take action because she believes that Tenma's interference is unintentional. That changes when she catches Harima and Tenma meeting in secret in the classroom, in Ch.207.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    But: Eri knows that Tenma has no idea about Harima's love to her. And she does understand that Tenma is not hurting her intentedly. What really hurts Eri is feeling inferior to Tenma. Her pride is hurting Eri. Not Tenma.
    That's not correct. She thought that it was unintentional at first, which is why she was quiet about it. Ch.207 changes all that.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    If Eri would be able to suppress her pride and Tenma - to avoid Harima then will be able to reconcile. But the Harima will get hurt - "Why is Tenma-chan ignoring me?!"
    All that Tenma needs to do is to demonstrate her good intentions. Once she does that, Eri won't have a problem with her. The fight started because it seemed like Tenma was going after Harima behind her back.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    But yet, Eri is wrighting "Do what you want" and going to date instead of reconsiling with her friend. That means that man is more important to Eri than friend - which goes against Eris's words, which were said to Mikoto: "Guys over friends...you are the worst!"
    Actually, Eri is still abiding by those words. Because if Eri feels that Tenma has betrayed her friendship by going after Harima behind her back, she'll naturally want to cut off their relationship.

    Note also, that she was sad when she sent off that message, as that second last frame in 208 shows. The situation is remarkably similar to the one with Mikoto.
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    Moment is bus:
    I agree, Eri wanted to help Tenma, but:
    1) Pretty cruel way to do it (just look at Tenma's face).
    2) I see a face full of "I won!!!!" in picture => not only charity, but pride too is involved here.


 

 
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