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    YuYo is offline Senior Member Regular
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    I think that Eri has no reason to behave the way she does for few reasons.
    Because:
    1.Tenma doesn't flirt with Harima, but is just being friendly with him (has no romantic intrest)
    2.Eri is not dating Harima and has no say to his doings, and thus has no right to feel angry at Tenma for "interfering" in their "relationship" which is non-existant at the moment
    3.Just because she has addmitted to herself that she loves Harima her public opinion is still "I hate hige" so how is Tenma supposed to know her true feelings?Not to mention that Harima has declared to Tenma that Eri is just in his way
    4.Eri knows that Tenma loves Karasuma

    So she is just behaving like a jealous little brat and Tenma has no real reason to be the target of her feelings of inferiority.Tenma has no reason to apologise to her but she has a rather large reason to do so to Tenma.
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    *The begining of this rumble*
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    Quote Originally Posted by liekiamhiung
    So how can Eri thinks that Tenma betrayed her just because she can GET CLOSER to Harima rather than Eri herself ?
    She is jealous not so much because she thinks that Tenma is interested in Harima. It's because Harima pay to much attention to Tenma, he is way too friendly towards her.

    She didn't had a real hostile attitude against Tenma until the shrimp event. Then she was able to see that Harima have interest in Tenma and inmediatly Eri point her like a new rival even... Of course that is a bit silly of her.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reinard-fox
    And then, instead of crying she performs an act of agression.
    Eri have a very competitive and agressive personality, that plus the chaos of her feelings are a deathly combination to Tenma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    You seem to have missed my point or I missed yours. So:
    Your words: "Let me help you out, then. If Karasuma isn't around, then Tenma hasn't been hanging out with him in a while. If Tenma hasn't been hanging out with Karasuma in a while, then she might have switched over to Harima in the interim. Therefore, she would not be flirting with two guys at the same time." She will be in semi-official relationship with Karasuma (her friends know about her love) and at the same time flirting with Harima. Even if first guy is not around, that doesn't mean that "official" do not last.
    Nobody really knows what the situation is between Tenma and Karasuma. Especially given Karasuma's ambiguous answer in Ch.201.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    Yes, but he was in Kyoto back thn => around Tenma. Yet, Tenma is spending time with Harima.
    Given that he doesn't appear in that chapter, we don't know where he is. He's certainly not around Tenma, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    When you are frustreted and angry you can't lie to yourself and tell truth easier.
    So when you insult someone out of anger, that's your real feelings?

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    Chapter 203 - chapter-for-fun. Chapter 205 - serious one.
    Ah. So you get to decide which chapters we take seriously and which ones we don't? Sounds fair.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    And then, instead of crying she performs an act of agression.
    Afterwards.

    Quote Originally Posted by liekiamhiung
    Well, honestly Swampstorm. If u like to say Eri is being hurt by Tenma cause Tenma betrayed, that's is odd. First we have to remember that :
    1. Tenma is extremely idiotic girl when it came to understanding people's feeling.
    2. Tenma is clumsy but nice to her friend.
    The first fact that i stated meant that Tenma herself doesn't think that her action back then when helping Harima and get closed AS A FRIEND to Harima would upset Eri. Caused she think nothing of Harima at the moment. Even in most of the time Tenma has tried to ask how good is Harima relation with Eri, this is commonly done by a friend !!!
    So how can Eri thinks that Tenma betrayed her just because she can GET CLOSER to Harima rather than Eri herself ?
    That's why she doesn't think it is a betrayal at first. She only changes her opinion when she catches the two of them alone in the classroom together, after hours.

    Quote Originally Posted by liekiamhiung
    My point is, she is just jealous, and jealousy can change friend into enemy.... Not, that Tenma hurt her. But more like Her pride hurt her the most. She has been thinking that Harima loves her, but suddenly she was forced to be awaken to face the reality..... It is Harima that has been indirectly making constant pain to Eri, so it's unfair to Tenma if Eri being angry to her or that eri blamed Tenma for it's closeness to Harima.
    This has been building up for a long time. If your friend knows that you are romantically interested in someone, the last thing that you want is for your friend to always get in the way. It's a fairly commonly accepted principle - one that even Tenma believes in, as seen by Ep.4 S1. Tenma has been thoughtless.

    Now, the only thing that Eri has done in this situation is to try to get some space away from Tenma. She's done that, and in Ch.210, she's cooled down enough that she wants to resolve the issue with Tenma. This is fairly natural human behavior - when someone deeply hurts you, you don't automatically switch off your feelings when they offer an apology. You need time to cool down.

    Quote Originally Posted by liekiamhiung
    I didn't say that Eri didn't have the right to chase Harima cause technically Harima is single. so anybody could go after him right. although in some cases Eri been acting that Eri owns him ( just like Kolox stated she is not ). So in a manner, for her to get angry because of her friend get so close to Harima is unacceptable. It will be acceptable if Harima is her BF.....
    Tenma believes that Harima is dating Eri. By your principle, she should have thought that her own behavior is unacceptable.

    With friends, you have to make a choice. If you know that a friend has had an interest in someone for a long time, you can interfere if it pleases you - but you're going to risk hurting your friend in the process. A little sensitivity, and a little consideration goes a long way.

    Quote Originally Posted by YuYo
    1.Tenma doesn't flirt with Harima, but is just being friendly with him (has no romantic intrest)
    2.Eri is not dating Harima and has no say to his doings, and thus has no right to feel angry at Tenma for "interfering" in their "relationship" which is non-existant at the moment
    3.Just because she has addmitted to herself that she loves Harima her public opinion is still "I hate hige" so how is Tenma supposed to know her true feelings?Not to mention that Harima has declared to Tenma that Eri is just in his way
    4.Eri knows that Tenma loves Karasuma
    This isn't about what is happening - it's about what appears to be happening.

    Tenma was not dating Karasuma in Ep.4 S1. By that standard, she had no right to try to make Eri carsick in that scene.

    With regards to #3, Tenma very clearly believes that the two are dating, so that's a moot point.

    Quote Originally Posted by vicius
    She didn't had a real hostile attitude against Tenma until the shrimp event. Then she was able to see that Harima have interest in Tenma and inmediatly Eri point her like a new rival even... Of course that is a bit silly of her.
    That was with regards to Yakumo's peculiar behavior. Reread the chapter.

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    I agree with you - the problem is about what Eri see...or maybe what Eri wants to see.
    It may be a long-shot theory, but I think Eri, even deep inside knowing that Tenma isn't betraying her friendship - WANTS to think that she is ?
    Why ? Well obviously.. because Eri doesn't way she never succeded with Harima.
    Was it because of her ? Impossible At least from her point of view
    Was it because of him ? But he did said that he liked her..and he isn't a shy person.
    Eri, ot knowing any explanation for that, could blame everyone around her for that - Tenma, Yakumo, Mikoto. She is just randomly throwing her anger searching for someone who could blame... and the interesting part is that she somehow hit the top of the nail, because Tenma s her rival.
    But I won't agree that it was Tenma's fault - she never did started anything and none of her actions should be considered as betrayal.

    About the bus - you see how all those girls are playing pranks on each other.
    Mikoto on Eri, Eri on Tenma, Tenma on Mikoto, Akira on everyone
    Those were harmless one's and I think they have no connection with present case. Tenma's retaliation was based on short while feelings, not on lingering hatred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    Nobody really knows what the situation is between Tenma and Karasuma. Especially given Karasuma's ambiguous answer in Ch.201.
    Nobody, beside Harima, heard thhat phrase of Karasuma. So nobody can use it to analyse his behaviour near Tenma.

    Given that he doesn't appear in that chapter, we don't know where he is. He's certainly not around Tenma, though.
    How about using logic?

    So when you insult someone out of anger, that's your real feelings?
    Yes.

    Ah. So you get to decide which chapters we take seriously and which ones we don't? Sounds fair.
    Oh noes. How dare I.

    Afterwards.
    I belive that events that happened afterwords are somehow conneceted to events happened right before them. I belive that Eri's agressive reaction is connected with her expression in previous frame. I belive that they have same nature.

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    I agree with Swampstorm about the feelings stuff - when you just shout out something out of anger, it doesn't neccesarly means your saying your true feelings. Depends on person and situation. Some would just get mad and tired of situation and say :
    "F*** Off, I hate you all !! You don't understand anything !!"
    Well, propably those were this person true feelings in this moment, afterwards they could change after you cool of

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    That was with regards to Yakumo's peculiar behavior. Reread the chapter.
    I did it before post that time. I'm talking about this. (btw is topic, nop chapter ^^)

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    Eri's jealousy, which in that moment was towards Tenma mainly (her conversation with Yakumo was more easy this time).

    So when you insult someone out of anger, that's your real feelings?
    Not always, but in a explossion some thoughts can go out. Not only the fakes ones.

    I think that the high competitive spirit and mixed feelings in Eri's head is driving her against Tenma, since until now she looks very suspiciuos since Harima pay her too much attention.

    Btw, the bus situation and this one way to diferent very hard to compare indeed.

    Edit: I never say "hate" =3 Jealous lovely jealousy (unless in the pict.. but that is kinda a joke ><)
    Last edited by vicius; 01-26-2007 at 05:33 PM. Reason: to dont post again ^^" *run to classes*

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    @ Kolox: But Eri was not angry or anything at the first page of ch205. She was calmly analysing the situation. So even if I consider that you are right, it won't change anything. We can still get the reason of her jealosuy to Tenma from those words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    @ Kolox: But Eri was not angry or anything at the first page of ch205. She was calmly analysing the situation. So even if I consider that you are right, it won't change anything. We can still get the reason of her jealosuy to Tenma from those words.
    Yes and No. It all will depend on the situation and the way Tenma will try to apologize Eri and if Harima will make the situation even worse.
    Actually, it somehow depends on Harima
    a) Harima is passive - Eri might confess
    b) Harima protects Tenma - Eri will shout "You all don't know anything about me" and run away
    c) Harima isn't there - Eri might explain Tenma the situation..or not.

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    @ Kolox: I was talking not about how it can be when Tenma appologizes, but about first page of ch205 - can we use those lines of Eri to analyse the nature of her feelings towards Tenma or not.

 

 
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