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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    But yet, Eri is wrighting "Do what you want" and going to date instead of reconsiling with her friend. That means that man is more important to Eri than friend - which goes against Eris's words, which were said to Mikoto: "Guys over friends...you are the worst!"
    Doesn't matter - she was just trying to express her unfriendliness to Mikoto that way - to show that she still hasn't forgiven her. Eri was in denying mode - everything what Mikoto/Tenma would say when she is in such mood would end up with some ironic riposte, mostly with such that hurts deeply.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm
    That's a matter of fact, not a matter of agreement.
    Eri's expression at Harima's date can be also explained because of stress and embarrassments, she was so worked up with them meeting like that, she forgot everything. Pretty normal, I would say - It doesn't neccesarly needs to do anything with Tenma (I have those a lot )

    Actually, Eri's treatment of Harima mirrors how he treats her. While she might be nervous about confessing her feelings, she still does treat him extraordinarily nicely, when he isn't being rude to her.
    I wouldn't go as far for the guy who tries to deny any signs on interests towards me (no, I'm not gay, personification ). Eri has as bad temper as Harima, that's a fact - if one of they ignites the quarrelling, they other one replies in the same way. It doesn't make a good relationship, but that's a different matter...

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Moment is bus:
    I agree, Eri wanted to help Tenma, but:
    1) Pretty cruel way to do it (just look at Tenma's face).
    2) I see a face full of "I won!!!!" in picture => not only charity, but pride too is involved here.
    It's not pride. It's a mischievous expression - the same one that she has when she teases Mikoto during the sleepover. Eri definitely wants to help Tenma out - but she has her own way of doing things. That's part of what makes her so charming.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    Doesn't matter - she was just trying to express her unfriendliness to Mikoto that way - to show that she still hasn't forgiven her. Eri was in denying mode - everything what Mikoto/Tenma would say when she is in such mood would end up with some ironic riposte, mostly with such that hurts deeply.
    One thing about Eri - her responses reflect how she's been treated. The sharp replies are given because she doesn't want to talk to them - because of the pain that they've inflicted.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    Eri's expression at Harima's date can be also explained because of stress and embarrassments, she was so worked up with them meeting like that, she forgot everything. Pretty normal, I would say - It doesn't neccesarly needs to do anything with Tenma (I have those a lot )
    Part of the reason why Eri's date with Harima is going so well is because she's not self-conscious here - usually, she'd be busy thinking about how to express her feelings for Harima. The reason for that this situation is different is the distraction provided by the conflict with Tenma.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    I wouldn't go as far for the guy who tries to deny any signs on interests towards me (no, I'm not gay, personification ). Eri has as bad temper as Harima, that's a fact - if one of they ignites the quarrelling, they other one replies in the same way. It doesn't make a good relationship, but that's a different matter...
    Well, Eri is trying to express her feelings for Harima. Once she established that she liked him around Ch.85 or so, she's been steadily trying to build a relationship with him. The only difference that we've seen is that her feelings have become stronger over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    It's not pride. It's a mischievous expression - the same one that she has when she teases Mikoto during the sleepover. Eri definitely wants to help Tenma out - but she has her own way of doing things. That's part of what makes her so charming.
    True, but showing this as Tenma's great anger situation isn't really proper - I don't know if Eri is even concious of the fact that it was Tenma who made her sick.


    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    One thing about Eri - her responses reflect how she's been treated. The sharp replies are given because she doesn't want to talk to them - because of the pain that they've inflicted.
    If I met Eri that time, I would just say "God dammit, get over yourself !" - they might inflicted her some pain, but damn if they have any intention on doing this. About Mikoto - even if it wasn't misunderstanding and she really cared about Harima - so what ?? It's not like eri owns him. She is just pissed that all her efforts could go to waste... that she wouldn't


    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    Part of the reason why Eri's date with Harima is going so well is because she's not self-conscious here - usually, she'd be busy thinking about how to express her feelings for Harima. The reason for that this situation is different is the distraction provided by the conflict with Tenma.
    "Oh what should I put on, what to do !! I'm a mess!! A !! It's so late already !! Hurry !! Hurry !!" - a usual girl going on usual date, forgetting usual most stuff -except making herself beautiful That one they never forgets


    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    Well, Eri is trying to express her feelings for Harima. Once she established that she liked him around Ch.85 or so, she's been steadily trying to build a relationship with him. The only difference that we've seen is that her feelings have become stronger over time.
    Stronger but no move was taken. She is doing pretty bad job confessing to him, it's like few months passed since that time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    True, but showing this as Tenma's great anger situation isn't really proper - I don't know if Eri is even concious of the fact that it was Tenma who made her sick.
    It's the same expression and tone that she uses when she's angry at Harima. It's hard to imagine Tenma as ever being angry, but she is angry in that scene. Also, doesn't the fact that Eri doesn't know that Tenma was the one that made her sick make the situation even worse?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    If I met Eri that time, I would just say "God dammit, get over yourself !" - they might inflicted her some pain, but damn if they have any intention on doing this.
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. The meaning of an apology is simple - it indicates that you did not intend to cause harm. Suppose you throw a ball and it breaks a window. Do you yell back: "God dammit, get over yourself! I didn't mean to do it!"? No. If you make a mistake, regardless of intention, the proper thing to do is apologize.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    About Mikoto - even if it wasn't misunderstanding and she really cared about Harima - so what ?? It's not like eri owns him. She is just pissed that all her efforts could go to waste... that she wouldn't
    Well, that's why Eri backed off when she saw the two of them on a 'date'.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    "Oh what should I put on, what to do !! I'm a mess!! A !! It's so late already !! Hurry !! Hurry !!" - a usual girl going on usual date, forgetting usual most stuff -except making herself beautiful That one they never forgets
    Given that she panics, this is evidently an unfamiliar situation for Eri. That would also suggest that there is something different, this time around.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    Stronger but no move was taken. She is doing pretty bad job confessing to him, it's like few months passed since that time
    She's not used to it. The real challenge that she has to overcome is that fear - which is part of the road of her personal growth. The first time that you ever ask is always hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    You don't have fun at your friend's expense. Tenma could have easily kept them both in the conversation, if she was more considerate.
    It is Eri's fault for not being able to fit into conversation. It is Eri who need to get along with Harima, not Tenma, so it is her who must work on this.

    That first half, which she knows, is more than enough to dictate the proper course of action. If she knows that Eri loves Harima, and if she herself has no interest in pursuing Harima at her friend's expense, then she should know better than to place herself in between.
    Looking at how Eri didn't care about Tenma being friendly with Harima till now, Tenma could make a conclusion: Eri-chan is not bothered by me spending time with Harima.

    You need to rewatch that episode, then. Eri wanted to pair the two up. As a matter of fact, even in the very next episode, Eri secretly prompts Karasuma to encourage Tenma - just to make Tenma feel better. Eri has been one of Tenma's greatest supporters in Tenma's quest to win over Karasuma. For that matter, when any one of the other three girls have a problem, Eri is usually the one to step in - as also seen during Mikoto's breakup with Asou, or Akira's doubts for writing the play in S2 Ep.4. Eri devotes herself to her friends, which is why she tends to be even more sensitive to acts of betrayal.
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    It's not pride. It's a mischievous expression - the same one that she has when she teases Mikoto during the sleepover. Eri definitely wants to help Tenma out - but she has her own way of doing things. That's part of what makes her so charming.
    She wanted to, I agreed at my previous post already. But again, it was not the only motive of her acting.

    I like Eri's way of doing such things when she helped Akira; but I don't like how she helped Tenma at bus - helping you friends and hurting them at the same time - not very kind.

    I can't agree with just "mischievous". It is far too soft. I can se pride there. Anyways, interpriting images involves privat preferences in process, so both of us may be wrong.

    In 204, Eri mentions something along the lines of:

    "Tenma, what am I ever going to do with you? Don't you know what I'm going through?"

    Eri doesn't take action because she believes that Tenma's interference is unintentional. That changes when she catches Harima and Tenma meeting in secret in the classroom, in Ch.207.

    That's not correct. She thought that it was unintentional at first, which is why she was quiet about it. Ch.207 changes all that.
    You mean Eri thinks that Tenma is capable of flirting with 2 guys at the same time?

    Eri knows that Tenma loves Karasuma - knows from the very beginning. She knows how much she loves him. And she knows Tenma - she is clueless and stupid, but not that type of person, who supports polygamy. Do she really belive that Tenma is intom Harima? I doubt it.

    If she now starts to belive that Tenma is interfering intentionally => Tenma wants Harima to herself. I doubt even the possibility of Eri starting to think that way.

    I think what makes her angry is another thing - she is not used to losing, especially to Tenma. And now she is losing.

    All that Tenma needs to do is to demonstrate her good intentions. Once she does that, Eri won't have a problem with her. The fight started because it seemed like Tenma was going after Harima behind her back.
    Most likely.

    Actually, Eri is still abiding by those words. Because if Eri feels that Tenma has betrayed her friendship by going after Harima behind her back, she'll naturally want to cut off their relationship.
    Same as above, I don't think that Eri belives that Tenma is trying to get Harima => Eri can't think that Tenma is preffering guy over friendship.

    Note also, that she was sad when she sent off that message, as that second last frame in 208 shows. The situation is remarkably similar to the one with Mikoto.
    I don't see her face, it is not shown, so I can't see if she is sad or not.

    It is similar indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    It's the same expression and tone that she uses when she's angry at Harima. It's hard to imagine Tenma as ever being angry, but she is angry in that scene. Also, doesn't the fact that Eri doesn't know that Tenma was the one that made her sick make the situation even worse?
    Well, she actually had a reason to be mad at him - he tried to assault them at night (no matter how you look at it - that was weird).

    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. The meaning of an apology is simple - it indicates that you did not intend to cause harm. Suppose you throw a ball and it breaks a window. Do you yell back: "God dammit, get over yourself! I didn't mean to do it!"? No. If you make a mistake, regardless of intention, the proper thing to do is apologize.
    No, the get over yourself stuff shouldn't be said by the one who is in conflict but by bystander. It's that's how I see it - Eri is being mean because someone is close to Harima. You are a great friend Eri - guys over friends
    She should just get over herself and understand that the only hurting her is herself, creating in her mind those images of everyone being her rival to Harima.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    Well, that's why Eri backed off when she saw the two of them on a 'date'.
    She saw them out from the window of the coffee shop - she doesn't necessarily needed to get into the shop, but she did Just to interrupt Mikoto and say "Yeah right, you really aren't into Hige, aren't you !!"


    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    Given that she panics, this is evidently an unfamiliar situation for Eri. That would also suggest that there is something different, this time around.
    Isn't that obvious, totally different
    She likes him a lot
    She was the one who offered the date

    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    She's not used to it. The real challenge that she has to overcome is that fear - which is part of the road of her personal growth. The first time that you ever ask is always hard.
    For both Tenma and Eri, it's just taking to long - Harima can be excused - he tried many times - failed to get through Tenma

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    It is Eri's fault for not being able to fit into conversation. It is Eri who need to get along with Harima, not Tenma, so it is her who must work on this.
    Any good conversationalist knows that you always steer conversations towards topics that everyone can participate in, just as any tactful person knows that you always invite a couple to a (shrimp) dinner together, rather than individually. The difference between politeness and rudeness is a simple matter of awareness and consideration.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    Looking at how Eri didn't care about Tenma being friendly with Harima till now, Tenma could make a conclusion: Eri-chan is not bothered by me spending time with Harima.
    Or, she could picked up that Eri was acting oddly (ie. nurse outfit, and other related events) and tried to figure out what was wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    I like Eri's way of doing such things when she helped Akira; but I don't like how she helped Tenma at bus - helping you friends and hurting them at the same time - not very kind.
    You probably don't care much for Akira's way of helping out then, I take it?

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    You mean Eri thinks that Tenma is capable of flirting with 2 guys at the same time?
    When was the last time that you saw Karasuma in the picture? If he were around, Tenma would be hovering around him, rather than wasting time talking to Harima.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    Eri knows that Tenma loves Karasuma - knows from the very beginning. She knows how much she loves him. And she knows Tenma - she is clueless and stupid, but not that type of person, who supports polygamy. Do she really belive that Tenma is intom Harima? I doubt it.
    See above.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    If she now starts to belive that Tenma is interfering intentionally => Tenma wants Harima to herself. I doubt even the possibility of Eri starting to think that way.
    Well, the situation really is parallel to the Mikoto one. Once again, Eri became angry after she found the two meeting in secret behind her back.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    I think what makes her angry is another thing - she is not used to losing, especially to Tenma. And now she is losing.
    Isn't it possible that the thing that's making her angry is that she's losing Harima? I would think that should be fairly obvious, given that she's madly in love with him.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    Same as above, I don't think that Eri belives that Tenma is trying to get Harima => Eri can't think that Tenma is preffering guy over friendship.
    That's only valid if your original assumption is actually correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    I don't see her face, it is not shown, so I can't see if she is sad or not.
    You've seen that expression before. It's a fairly common expression in anime, where a character's hair completely covers their eyes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    Well, she actually had a reason to be mad at him - he tried to assault them at night (no matter how you look at it - that was weird).
    Well, it's the same expression, regardless. That's all that matters here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    No, the get over yourself stuff shouldn't be said by the one who is in conflict but by bystander.
    Ah. So you're going to be the bystander who yells that out to the person who's window was just broken? Real smart.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    It's that's how I see it - Eri is being mean because someone is close to Harima. You are a great friend Eri - guys over friends
    Actually, Eri is getting some space, because a close friend who she has helped numerous times in the past has betrayed her. She is a great friend - with the sole exception of Sara, there isn't a character in SR who goes out of her way to help her friends the way Eri has.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    She should just get over herself and understand that the only hurting her is herself, creating in her mind those images of everyone being her rival to Harima.
    Oh? Well by that token, Tenma should get over herself and understand that she's the only one who is hurting herself. Eri doesn't have to hold hands with Tenma every waking moment and constantly reassure Tenma that they are friends. Sometimes, when you're hurt, you just want to be left alone. It's really that simple.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    She saw them out from the window of the coffee shop - she doesn't necessarily needed to get into the shop, but she did Just to interrupt Mikoto and say "Yeah right, you really aren't into Hige, aren't you !!"
    From what I remember of Ep.14/15 S1, she's surprised to see them both after she runs in. She was blindly chasing Harima before that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    Isn't that obvious, totally different
    She likes him a lot
    She was the one who offered the date
    Yet, she's been alone with him outside a number of times in the past. She's never been this clumsy before.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    For both Tenma and Eri, it's just taking to long - Harima can be excused - he tried many times - failed to get through Tenma
    This is manga. Stories like these tend to end very quickly after the couples get together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    Any good conversationalist knows that you always steer conversations towards topics that everyone can participate in, just as any tactful person knows that you always invite a couple to a (shrimp) dinner together, rather than individually. The difference between politeness and rudeness is a simple matter of awareness and consideration.

    Or, she could picked up that Eri was acting oddly (ie. nurse outfit, and other related events) and tried to figure out what was wrong.
    Tenma is good cionversationalist? lol

    You probably don't care much for Akira's way of helping out then, I take it?
    Akira is Akira, Eri is Eri. There ways of doing thigs are different.

    When was the last time that you saw Karasuma in the picture? If he were around, Tenma would be hovering around him, rather than wasting time talking to Harima.
    Around 20 chapters ago I guess. Anyways, I fail to see how does it matter.

    Tenma is not wasting time, she is having fun with her friend.

    Isn't it possible that the thing that's making her angry is that she's losing Harima? I would think that should be fairly obvious, given that she's madly in love with him.
    "Playing with Tenma > Hating shrimp? Is that it?
    Is it that fun being with Tenma?
    It looks like you are having so much more fun with her then me!!
    The nerve of that Hige! Is he saying I'm not attractive? It can't be!!!
    To put it bluntly, there is so much more to me then Tenma! By far!!"
    Chapter 205 page 1

    I see here more competition motives, then My love, don't leave me!.

    You've seen that expression before. It's a fairly common expression in anime, where a character's hair completely covers their eyes.
    And what does it show?

    Her previous expression on the top of the page is surprise, nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    Tenma is good cionversationalist? lol
    Exactly. That's why she needs to improve.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    Akira is Akira, Eri is Eri. There ways of doing thigs are different.
    Yet, out of the other three, Eri is closest to Akira. They actually have a lot in common, which is why Eri is so receptive to Akira's problems in S2 Ep.4.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    Around 20 chapters ago I guess. Anyways, I fail to see how does it matter.
    Let me help you out, then. If Karasuma isn't around, then Tenma hasn't been hanging out with him in a while. If Tenma hasn't been hanging out with Karasuma in a while, then she might have switched over to Harima in the interim. Therefore, she would not be flirting with two guys at the same time.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    Tenma is not wasting time, she is having fun with her friend.
    Ah, but she wouldn't give him the time of day if Karasuma were around.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    "Playing with Tenma > Hating shrimp? Is that it?
    Is it that fun being with Tenma?
    It looks like you are having so much more fun with her then me!!
    The nerve of that Hige! Is he saying I'm not attractive? It can't be!!!
    To put it bluntly, there is so much more to me then Tenma! By far!!"
    Chapter 205 page 1
    "The only difference between Tenma and me is that she's clumsy!"
    Chapter 203

    Paradox.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    And what does it show?
    Sorrow.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox
    Her previous expression on the top of the page is surprise, nothing more.
    I know. Why did you bring that frame up when we weren't talking about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm View Post
    Exactly. That's why she needs to improve.
    Agreed. But now is now. Her behaviour is normal for her, she showed it for 208 chapters already. And Eri have seen it all. So why is she angry then? If Tenma is still Tenma.

    Yet, out of the other three, Eri is closest to Akira. They actually have a lot in common, which is why Eri is so receptive to Akira's problems in S2 Ep.4.
    Akira is always calm, Eri is not very. Common?

    Let me help you out, then. If Karasuma isn't around, then Tenma hasn't been hanging out with him in a while. If Tenma hasn't been hanging out with Karasuma in a while, then she might have switched over to Harima in the interim. Therefore, she would not be flirting with two guys at the same time.
    How does Tenma behave in front of persone she love? And how does she behave in front of Harima now?

    Ah, but she wouldn't give him the time of day if Karasuma were around.
    Wrong. Example from Kyoto arc: Tenma was talking to actor who she think is Harima - and Karasuma was around.

    "The only difference between Tenma and me is that she's clumsy!"
    Chapter 203

    Paradox.
    And the conclusion is?

    Sorrow.
    Chapter 207, page 9, picture on the top left. It is the same. What does it show? Sorrow?

    I know. Why did you bring that frame up when we weren't talking about it?
    Because I thought that maybe I misunderstood you before and were talking about different picture then you. Now it's clear. Nevermind.

 

 
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