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    Default Yakumo's sudden change or WTF is going on?!

    We a kind-of-discussed this question in Chapter discussion thread, but that little dialog didn't satisfy me. I think that this question deserves separeted thread so here I am.

    Actually, the question is: what is going on inside her head?

    From past few chapters it's pretty obvious that Yakumo is now supporting Harima's desire to get Tenma. It doesn't matter if she has restrained her own love to Harima or she just tries to help him as friend (in case she never loved him). The fact is: Yakumo is helping Harima not paying any attention to Tenma's feelings. Thats very strange (at least for me) and goes complitely out of my imagination of Yakumo's character. If earlier her main affair in life was to help Tenma - now it is complitely different. When does her feelings changed so much that she now pays zero attention to Tenma's feelings?

    I do think that she care less about Tenma then about Harima basing on this info:
    Yakumo knows:

    1) That Harima loves Tenma.
    If it was the only info that she has it would be natural for her to try to help her friend, but she also knows

    2) That Tenma loves Karasuma.

    So WTF? It must be obvious for her that only happiness possible for Tenma is getting Karasuma. But she, instead of helping her sister with this deal, helps her friend, who was till nowdays less important to her. WHY?
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    Well, she knows Harima is a nice guy - and maybe she thinks Tenma would be happier if she fell in love with Harima, who already really likes her (and Yakumo would know, she edited his manga). Tenma's a nice person, but dense, and so by pushing Harima closer to her, she might be hoping that Tenma will realize what a great guy he is. And of course she wants her sister to marry a nice man, right?

    ...at least, that's from the perspective of an Oodou-supporter.

    Alternately, if you think onigiri might be making a comeback or want it to, Yakumo could be pushing Tenma in Harima's path so he has even more opportunities to realize that she doesn't like him, and fall out of love with her.
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    It was only a small nudge. If Tenma falls for Harima and forgets about Karasuma, she isn't going to be complaining. Yakumo's matchmaking is totally benevolent, and will continue to be as long as Yakumo doesn't try to sabotage Tenma and Karasuma.

    Compare this to everyone under the sun trying to push Harima and Eri together, even though neither of them appreciates the help and Harima definitely does not want to be with Eri at all. And the greatest promoter of this is Akira, who knows about Harima's true feelings! What Yakumo is doing is harmless compared to Akira's meddling which is breaking the heart of her best friend.

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    @ Digital_Eon: Well, that still doesn't make that much of a sense. I actually came up with such a theory too (see one of my posts in discussion with Pizza_ blade). But now I don't think that it is the best possible explanation.

    If we would try to observe Yakumo's earlier opinion about True Odou pairing we'll see that she supported it. Example: Do you remember the moment happened right after Tenma's birthday, when Karasuma came to Tenma's house? Yakumo's words: "Nee-san must be so happy now" and her tender smile clearly show what she feels - she is happy that her sister is happy with man she loves. She is supporting True Odou here. And we haven't seen (or I didn't notice) the moment form that time when Yakumo changed her opinion and started to support Odou. So why she is pushing Tenma to Harima now? Since when she started to care about Harima more then about Tenma?

    My logic is: if Tenma already have love waht is easier: to let this love blossom (note that Karasuma most likely is not against) or kill this love (note that love is already strong enough and 200 chapters old) and creat new one? And note that if Tenma takes Harima the Yakumo has no chance with him. The last statment looses ground is we assume that Yakumo has no feelings for Harima but still.

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    It's possible that:

    -Yakumo has realized Harima would be a better choice (from recent chapters?). Maybe she would rather have him as a brother-in-law?

    -Or she's realized that she likes Harima, and is now trying to push Tenma in her way to give her a big enough obstacle - she knows he doesn't like Eri, so may believe that if her nee-san falls in love with Harima, she really shouldn't like him herself. She'd fall out of love with him.
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    @ NeoSapien: Yes, she indeed won't complain but waht about Karasuma? I can't think of Yakumo as about person who can this easily forget about someone, even if this someone is nothing to her. Or does she hate Eri that much that she is ready to serve the scenario where Eri will lose her love and battle, even if this automatically means making harm to other people?

    Yes, it is probably the same. But again, why does Yakumo not support Tenma's present love anymore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    It's possible that:

    -Yakumo has realized Harima would be a better choice (from recent chapters?). Maybe she would rather have him as a brother-in-law?
    This is possible but: What made her realise that? Can you name those moments please.

    -Or she's realized that she likes Harima, and is now trying to push Tenma in her way to give her a big enough obstacle - she knows he doesn't like Eri, so may believe that if her nee-san falls in love with Harima, she really shouldn't like him herself. She'd fall out of love with him.
    You mean that she is OK with her sister taking her place as Harima's lover? It is possible. But again: why didn't she want Harima to herself then adn is trying to arrange Odou instead of helping herself? If she doesn't like Eri and (as she think) Harima doesn't like Eri then it is OK for them to be togather rigth? And Tenma will be happy too - with Karasuma.

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    Can't name any moments, just a random guess. The second part was what I thought was more likely.

    I think that because she cares for Harima, she wants him to be happy too - which is with Tenma. Tenma doesn't hate Harima, Tenma could be happy with Harima, and she wants Harima to be happy too - so if she continues to set Tenma up with Karasuma, or at least support them, it will make Harima sad. I think Yakumo's the type of person who would rather make others happy at the cost of their own happiness.
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    i don't think that Yakumo want to change Tenma's heart. she just want her sister to be aware of Harima feelings. so~~ she give opportunities to Harima to do something (we all waiting something to happen). nothing more. quite a reasonable choice.



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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    @ NeoSapien: Yes, she indeed won't complain but waht about Karasuma? I can't think of Yakumo as about person who can this easily forget about someone, even if this someone is nothing to her. Or does she hate Eri that much that she is ready to serve the scenario where Eri will lose her love and battle, even if this automatically means making harm to other people?

    Yes, it is probably the same. But again, why does Yakumo not support Tenma's present love anymore?
    Karasuma is not in a relationship with Tenma and his feelings towards her are maddeningly ambiguous. Yakumo has no obligation to him at all, especially in comparison with Harima. And Yakumo definitely does oppose Eri/Harima, for reasons that may be partially selfish... but Yakumo has no obligation to support Eri's nonexistent relationship with Harima, either. Yakumo doesn't support Tenma's present love anymore because she thinks that Tenma and Harima would be happier together.

 

 
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