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    You highlight here what I believe is Yakumo’s reasoning for her actions right now: that what she’s doing is not wrong because it will turn all right in the end, so she’s acting for Tenma’s sake . The end doesn’t necessarily justify the means, though, and Yakumo’s small nudge for Odou has already had a consequence I don’t think Yakumo anticipated: Tenma’s unhappiness.
    Yakumo acting in a Machiavellian manner? lol

    I know you can say Yakumo shouldn't be blamed for Eri's behavior, its true, Eri is still the one that should have apologized for snapping. Yet Yakumo has acted in a presumptuous way by ignoring Tenma's strong feelings for Karasuma, why doesn't she go get to know the guy Tenma is crazy about to find out if he really has any feelings for Tenma? (we sure as hell want to know)


    I will like to point something about Yakumo in the chapter 206. That draw of her eyes, I have a theory about it. If you see the draw you will notice a bit of sadness in her eyes, it is because her sister is getting hurt… And she knows why. I think that she is starting to feel guilty; this fact could become important in the near future since it could be the detonator for her emotions later.
    ...interesting interpretation...guilt...very controversial


    I think Yakumo is pushing Harima and Tenma together because she wants what's Best for her sister. She doesn't just blindly follow her sisters lead and go with whatever she says all the time. She thinks Harima will make her happier than Karasuma, and is thusly trying to get Tenma to see it too....
    She doesn't know Karasuma at all, therefore she doesn't know if Karasuma is better, this decision is highly presumptuous on her part.

    ...and now for something completely different


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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Yakumo feels that Harima and Tenma would be a good couple, so from her perspective it is in Tenma's interest to promote Tenma/Harima.
    I'm not arguing whether or not Yakumo is purposely trying to hurt Tenma. I agree with you that she's acting in accordance for what she believes to be right, and that what's she doing is what she thinks will make Tenma happy.

    My problem with Yakumo’s matchmaking is that it is not in Tenma’s interest to get together with Harima right now, since Tenma still wants to get together with Karasuma. Another problem I have is Yakumo deciding her choice for the ideal man for Tenma is better than Tenma’s choice with making no effort to learn a little more about Karasuma; I think Yakumo should put more trust in her sister’s decisions.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    I don't think that the last page of 206 symbolizes anything specific beyond Tenma not knowing Harima and Yakumo's feelings, as said in the sidetext, and things going wrong and being generally very complicated.
    The side text at the end of Chapter 206 doesn’t say anything about Tenma not knowing about Harima’s feelings; it says “The younger sister’s heart, the older sister doesn’t know...” The note just says that Tenma doesn’t know Yakumo’s “heart.” Don’t loosely paraphrase side text and change its meaning.

    If the scene of Iori knocking off Harima’s head after Yakumo symbolically pairs him with Tenma isn’t a symbolic warning for Yakumo not to support “Oudou,” then why did Kobayashi have Iori do it? How does it relate to Tenma not knowing Harima and Yakumo’s feelings, and how does it make you feel that things are simply going to get wrong and be generally complicated?

    Give me some reasons to believe that your interpretation of the scene is better than mine, or how Iori lopping off Harima’s head isn’t symbolizing Yakumo should not support Oudou.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Yakumo is not to blame for Eri's reaction and Tenma's subsequent suffering; that is entirely Eri's fault.
    I agree Yakumo isn’t to blame for Eri’s inability to deal with her jealousy; those are Eri’s flaws and they existed before this happened, and I think it’s up to Eri to deal with the feud with Tenma, not Yakumo.

    However, Yakumo is responsible for Eri’s flaws resurfacing, and that has indirectly caused Tenma to suffer. Thus, Yakumo is partially responsible for her sister’s pain, even though Eri is the one directly causing the pain.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Yakumo had no way of knowing what would happen; if Tenma was killed by a meteorite while working on manga with Harima, it would be an indirect result of Yakumo's suggestion but certainly wouldn't be Yakumo's fault.
    Yakumo had a feud with Eri after Yakumo spent time with Harima way back in the Play arc, and Eri’s actions in Chapter 205 should have been enough for Yakumo to know that pressing Tenma onto Harima would cause Eri to get angry at Tenma, causing Tenma pain.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Yakumo only gave a tiny nudge to give Harima an opportunity. The ultimate decision is still Tenma's.
    The ultimate decision in who Harima likes is still Harima’s, too, despite other people pushing him onto Eri.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Even if Harima is a little bit attracted to Eri, he still doesn't want a relationship with her at all.
    If Harima’s feelings for Eri are in doubt now, we can’t be certain “he doesn’t want a relationship with her at all,” anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    But Akira should know that pushing her friend towards a boy who doesn't return her affections could hurt Eri. Of course, it IS Akira; she is neither benevolent nor infallible and likes to mess with her friends to make them uncomfortable.
    Yakumo should know that pushing her sister towards a man Tenma doesn’t like could hurt Tenma.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    That was bound to happen anyway, as soon as Eri accepted the truth.
    If Yakumo had left things be, then I’d have agreed that she’s absolved from blame. As it stands, Yakumo decided to get involved, and now she has a share of the blame in Eri and Tenma’s dilemma.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Yakumo is giving Harima a chance. She isn't doing anything for or against Karasuma.
    I know she’s giving Harima a chance, and by doing so she’s placing Harima above Karasuma. She’s decided that Harima is the better choice for Tenma without seeing how Karasuma would fare in a relationship with Tenma. Hence, she’s not giving Karasuma a chance, as I said in my previous post.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Hard to say. She would probably either accept it and move on or confront Harima to confirm his feelings and make sure he was being true to himself.
    It would put Yakumo in a position for character development and I’d like to see her get some more development, so that’s why I’d like to see Yakumo in that position.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mini Jesus View Post
    Here's my theory, which may have been stated already since I don't have time to read through the thread at the moment...

    I think Yakumo is pushing Harima and Tenma together because she wants what's Best for her sister. She doesn't just blindly follow her sisters lead and go with whatever she says all the time. She thinks Harima will make her happier than Karasuma, and is thusly trying to get Tenma to see it too....

    Ugh, I can't explain it right at the moment, that's kinda it but I'll be back later to try and refine it and actually get my point across.
    It’s complex, isn’t it? It sure would help a lot if we had more chapters focused on Yakumo’s feelings regarding Oudou to use as reference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vicius View Post
    I don’t think that Yakumo hates Eri. Read her conversation after the play, they only established an official rivalry. They are trying to get a same goal but that doesn’t mean that they hate each other. Yakumo only shows
    Yes, back then Yakumo didin't dislike Eri. But now situatoin has changed: at Shrimp chapter Yakumo openly opposed Eri, and her facial expression wasn't as kind as in other thier fights (ex: school play). And now, after Yakumo recognised the reason which made her sister that sad, I doubt that it could have improved her opinion about Eri. Yes, I agree, she doesn't hate her. But dislikes - for sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by vicius View Post
    I will like to point something about Yakumo in the chapter 206. That draw of her eyes, I have a theory about it. If you see the draw you will notice a bit of sadness in her eyes, it is because her sister is getting hurt… And she knows why. I think that she is starting to feel guilty; this fact could become important in the near future since it could be the detonator for her emotions later.
    Yes, there is saddness in her eyes. It could be ture. Anyways, we'll see only after we read next few chapters.
    Quote Originally Posted by vicius View Post
    This will be interesting since Yakumo's feelings towards Harima and Tenma collide in a very curious love triangle. Anyway, the best scenary for both: Eri and Yakumo is that one where Harima is rejected by Tenma. However, it wouldn't create some hard feeling from Yakumo towards Tenma? I think soo =3
    It may creat, and I think it will, since now Yakumo is supporting Harima's love.

    Quote Originally Posted by liekiamhiung
    She wants Harima ( the one that we think that she loved ) happy, so she arranged Harima and Tenma working together. She also wanted Tenma to understand Harima's feeling. It is natural for her. And Harima already know that Tenma like Karasuma before so anything that Yakumo do was merely giving Harima a moment of happiness. although i think it is cruel to Harima too ( why gave a chance if Tenma's heart is already set so much to Karasuma's ).

    To tell that Yakumo has obligation toward Tenma or Karasuma or Harima to me, is to0 much. That is not an obligation, merely a kindness of heart.... Yakumo hasn't do anything to harm Tenma's and Karasuma relationship anyway. For me she is still stuck between Tenma's happiness and Harima's. But in the end she will choose Tenma's happiness over Harima's.
    Yes, she wants Harima to be happy and she wants Tenma to understand his feelings. Arranging that "date" between HArima and Tenma Yakumo attacked True Odou automatically - since this date was complitely againsts True Odou. By this she is harming Karsauma's X Tenma relationship.

    And now I'm not sure what she will chose in the end. Now she is acting against Tenma's wish suporting pairing that her sister doesn't want to happen. Will Yakumo change her approach later and start to support Tenma's happiness no matter with whom she'll be happy, or she'll abandon her sister's feelings complitely and will become more forceful in arrenging Odou? Time will show.




    I agree with Ajax and Ultraness: Yakumo, instead of pushing Harima into Tenma against her sisier's will, should have got to know Tenma's present love - Karasuma better. Besasue for now Yakumo has no reason to prefer Odou over True Odou, since she has no idea about advantages and disadvantages of one of them.

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    Yes, unfortunately Yakumo does know advantages and disadvantages over one of them. Because Yakumo know Harima better than Karasuma, can't blame her. Yakumo's Char up to this point is kind of hard to get along with men. The only one she get along is Harima...... (so far). so Yakumo will be unfair toward choosing between Karasuma and Harima. She knew How much is Harima's feeling toward her sister.... To ask Yakumo to get along with Karasuma will be hard, cause Karasuma doesn't even get to close with his same class friends and Yakumo is bad at talking with Guys.

    Well, maybe Reinard,Ajax,Ultraness is true. The arranged "date" kinda harm "indirectly" towards Tenma x Karasuma relationship. But i see it as a small hindrance not yet a major one. Indirectly cause she only arranged those two to get along better as a friend. Tenma has been in love with a guy that almost never spoken ( unless to her and his band friend ). So, a little closeness to one guys supposedly wouldn't change her feeling so much.... ( BTW, any one knew the reason Tenma love Karasuma ? We already knew Harima's reason )

    Quoted from Reinard-fox :
    And now I'm not sure what she will chose in the end. Now she is acting against Tenma's wish suporting pairing that her sister doesn't want to happen. Will Yakumo change her approach later and start to support Tenma's happiness no matter with whom she'll be happy, or she'll abandon her sister's feelings complitely and will become more forceful in arrenging Odou? Time will show.


    Yes I agree, time will show. And the addition that Yakumo maybe will rebelled and go for Harima later ( that's one part that make SR fun, so many ways that KJ can choose )
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    I'm not arguing whether or not Yakumo is purposely trying to hurt Tenma. I agree with you that she's acting in accordance for what she believes to be right, and that what's she doing is what she thinks will make Tenma happy.

    My problem with Yakumo’s matchmaking is that it is not in Tenma’s interest to get together with Harima right now, since Tenma still wants to get together with Karasuma. Another problem I have is Yakumo deciding her choice for the ideal man for Tenma is better than Tenma’s choice with making no effort to learn a little more about Karasuma; I think Yakumo should put more trust in her sister’s decisions.
    Yakumo knows Harima really, really well. She also knows Tenma really, really well. She doesn't know Karasuma that well, but from what she's seen, he's very unemotional and reserved and has done barely anything to advance his relationship with Tenma in a year. Meanwhile Yakumo has seen Harima dedicate his life to Tenma. No one knows Harima and Tenma better than her. Is it really so wrong for Yakumo to give a tiny nudge to bring Harima and Tenma closer together? She hasn't done anything to affect Tenma; she's just giving Harima a bigger opportunity.


    The side text at the end of Chapter 206 doesn’t say anything about Tenma not knowing about Harima’s feelings; it says “The younger sister’s heart, the older sister doesn’t know...” The note just says that Tenma doesn’t know Yakumo’s “heart.” Don’t loosely paraphrase side text and change its meaning.

    If the scene of Iori knocking off Harima’s head after Yakumo symbolically pairs him with Tenma isn’t a symbolic warning for Yakumo not to support “Oudou,” then why did Kobayashi have Iori do it? How does it relate to Tenma not knowing Harima and Yakumo’s feelings, and how does it make you feel that things are simply going to get wrong and be generally complicated?

    Give me some reasons to believe that your interpretation of the scene is better than mine, or how Iori lopping off Harima’s head isn’t symbolizing Yakumo should not support Oudou.
    Because Iori is just a cat who does random things to promote gags. He doesn't represent the will of the author or Yakumo's hidden self. The incident with Iori that resembled this the most was Iori swatting away Yakumo's chocolates into Hanai's window. I can't believe that that scene had any purpose beyond torturing Hanai some more. Could it mean that Iori supports Yakumo/Hanai, or that Yakumo secretly desires Hanai and this desire was expressed through her cat? Of course not.

    In this scene, the last image was Tenma treading on "Harima"'s head. It's a powerful, if silly, image, and it probably represents Tenma's ignorance of Harima's feelings and the damage that she has caused, causes and will cause to him while she remains oblivious. Now, to get Harima's head under Tenma's foot required a plot device, and KJ just happened to choose Iori swatting the head. It doesn't necessarily mean anything; any meaning we read into Iori's action is pure speculation.

    I agree Yakumo isn’t to blame for Eri’s inability to deal with her jealousy; those are Eri’s flaws and they existed before this happened, and I think it’s up to Eri to deal with the feud with Tenma, not Yakumo.

    However, Yakumo is responsible for Eri’s flaws resurfacing, and that has indirectly caused Tenma to suffer. Thus, Yakumo is partially responsible for her sister’s pain, even though Eri is the one directly causing the pain.
    Sara told Eri where Harima was, leading directly to the incident. Thus Sara is partially responsible for Tenma's pain. How dare she.

    Yakumo had a feud with Eri after Yakumo spent time with Harima way back in the Play arc, and Eri’s actions in Chapter 205 should have been enough for Yakumo to know that pressing Tenma onto Harima would cause Eri to get angry at Tenma, causing Tenma pain.
    Yes, Yakumo should have known that Eri would not respectfully back off, as she has in the past, but instead start acting like a total bitch to her best friend.
    The ultimate decision in who Harima likes is still Harima’s, too, despite other people pushing him onto Eri.
    Indeed. I don't really have a problem with others trying to matchmake for Harima and Eri, or Harima and Yakumo, or Tenma and Karasuma, or Hanai and Mikoto, or even Hanai and Yakumo if it ever happened. It only bugs me when it gets really, really blatant and repetitive. Yakumo's little nudge is negligible in comparison.

    If Harima’s feelings for Eri are in doubt now, we can’t be certain “he doesn’t want a relationship with her at all,” anymore.
    Of course we can still be certain. As recently as 202, Harima went to Eri's party solely for a chance to spend more time with Tenma. He's closer to Tenma than he's ever been before. If Harima is attracted at all to Eri, it does not mean that he wants to have a relationship with her; he was certainly tempted by Tae at one time, but he resisted it, and he'll resist any (so far nonexistent) feelings towards Eri as long as his feelings for Tenma remain strong.

    Yakumo should know that pushing her sister towards a man Tenma doesn’t like could hurt Tenma.
    It's not likely. Tenma is the one with the power of acceptance or rejection.
    If Yakumo had left things be, then I’d have agreed that she’s absolved from blame. As it stands, Yakumo decided to get involved, and now she has a share of the blame in Eri and Tenma’s dilemma.
    I disagree. Yakumo's involvement was minimal. Blaming her is as unfair as blaming Sara.
    I know she’s giving Harima a chance, and by doing so she’s placing Harima above Karasuma. She’s decided that Harima is the better choice for Tenma without seeing how Karasuma would fare in a relationship with Tenma. Hence, she’s not giving Karasuma a chance, as I said in my previous post.
    Eh. She's not giving Tougou, Nara, or every other available man on Earth chances either by that standard. It's Yakumo's prerogative to choose who she wants to support. She doesn't have to give every candidate equal consideration, any more than Tenma has to give Harima a chance equal to Karasuma with herself.

    It would put Yakumo in a position for character development and I’d like to see her get some more development, so that’s why I’d like to see Yakumo in that position.
    It could be interesting.

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    I guess I'll add my two cents on this.

    It could be that Yakumo hanging on the edge of admitting her feelings for Harima is afraid of these things as it has been pointed out that she is inexperienced in love.

    Thus she is setting up HarimaxTenma to avoid the difficult decision and set up a compromise between Harima and her sister.Thinking "If they start dating I don't have to choose between them but can keep them both near me."
    Selfish?Sure but humans are that way sometimes.


    As to Iori I think that Ultraness is correct in his deduction.

    I hope that in few chaps she would actually make that deduction herself and make her mind in one way or the other.
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    I know someone posted this already but I just wanted to add more to it.

    regarding the idea that Yakumo wants everyone to be happy. Yakumo is pretty naive when it comes into love and relationships.

    She probably thinks that Harima would be happy just being able to spend time with Tenma not thinking that the moment he confesses to her, Chances are, he'll get rejected. Tenma and Harima are too similar and they're both loyal to their true love. (example: Tenma with Nara, Harima with Anegasaki)

    I just want to add that Yakumo wants to help both Harima and Tenma but being inexperienced and all. She probably will keep supporting both True Odou and Odou. Not knowing the consequences of her actions will make things worse.

    oh wait she already does, she's already feeling guilty with the Eri x Tenma argument. She knows that it happened because of her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YuYo View Post
    I guess I'll add my two cents on this.

    It could be that Yakumo hanging on the edge of admitting her feelings for Harima is afraid of these things as it has been pointed out that she is inexperienced in love.

    Thus she is setting up HarimaxTenma to avoid the difficult decision and set up a compromise between Harima and her sister.Thinking "If they start dating I don't have to choose between them but can keep them both near me."
    Selfish?Sure but humans are that way sometimes.
    Oh, Yakumo...afraid of love? Could the ghost girl make another appearance soon?


    As to Iori I think that Ultraness is correct in his deduction.
    It seems to make sense, but then again Neo mentioned the time Iori thwacks the chocolate into Hanai's mouth, did that mean something? Didn't look like it...
    Boy it was funny though lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Ajax- View Post
    It seems to make sense, but then again Neo mentioned the time Iori thwacks the chocolate into Hanai's mouth, did that mean something? Didn't look like it...
    Boy it was funny though lol
    Yep.Iori is a bit of a mystery so until we actually know what her motives are it's hard to make any guesses that'd be 100% correct.But then again it would make sense the way he put it.

    P.S I felt sorry for him but yeah, it was fun
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Yakumo knows Harima really, really well. She also knows Tenma really, really well. She doesn't know Karasuma that well, but from what she's seen, he's very unemotional and reserved and has done barely anything to advance his relationship with Tenma in a year. Meanwhile Yakumo has seen Harima dedicate his life to Tenma.
    Yeah, Yakumo does know Tenma very well, so she should know that Tenma really wants to be with Karasuma since Yakumo has seen Tenma dedicate her life to Karasuma.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Is it really so wrong for Yakumo to give a tiny nudge to bring Harima and Tenma closer together?
    We had the Omiai arc fifty chapters ago that dealt with this issue and Kobayashi’s opinion on the issue then was that it’s better for people to choose their love for themselves, and I agree with him.

    The reason Yakumo giving a nudge to bring Harima and Tenma together is wrong is because Tenma doesn’t want to get closer to Harima; Tenma wants to get closer to Karasuma. It’s this betrayal of Tenma’s feelings that’s the problem with Yakumo supporting Harima.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    She hasn't done anything to affect Tenma; she's just giving Harima a bigger opportunity.
    Nudging Tenma towards Harima has affected Tenma, since Tenma being with Harima from that one nudge is what caused Eri to have a rift with Tenma, and that’s caused Tenma to get upset.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Because Iori is just a cat who does random things to promote gags. He doesn't represent the will of the author or Yakumo's hidden self. The incident with Iori that resembled this the most was Iori swatting away Yakumo's chocolates into Hanai's window. I can't believe that that scene had any purpose beyond torturing Hanai some more.
    Iori is the gag used to present Hanai with Yakumo’s love in that chapter, and then Hanai rejects the chocolate “given” to him by Yakumo, which is interesting considering Hanai appears to love Yakumo in the manga. One chapter earlier, Hanai does eat a chocolate “given” to him by Akira. Valentine chocolate represents a girl’s love in Japan, and guys eating Valentine’s chocolates in Japan given to them by the girls symbolizes that they accept the girl’s love. Those chapters symbolize Hanai accepting Akira’s love and rejecting Yakumo, and foreshadows Hanai doing so in the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    In this scene, the last image was Tenma treading on "Harima"'s head. It's a powerful, if silly, image, and it probably represents Tenma's ignorance of Harima's feelings and the damage that she has caused, causes and will cause to him while she remains oblivious. Now, to get Harima's head under Tenma's foot required a plot device, and KJ just happened to choose Iori swatting the head..
    Yakumo pairs up Harima with Tenma in the chapter, and we know this symbolizes Yakumo attempting to pair them up in the future since Yakumo does so in the next chapter. With that in mind, Harima having his head whacked off and Tenma crushing it gain significance, since it implies something of that nature will happen in future chapters, especially if you consider that Kobayashi rejected the notion of deciding other people’s love lives in the Omiai arc.

    I’ll add that I don’t think this dooms the possibility of Oudou; I just think it dooms the possibility of Oudou occurring as a result of Yakumo supporting it.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Sara told Eri where Harima was, leading directly to the incident. Thus Sara is partially responsible for Tenma's pain. How dare she.
    Sara is minimally responsible for Tenma’s pain, since she does point Eri to the room with Tenma and Harima inside. However, she is considerably less responsible for the feud since Yakumo is the one that caused Tenma to be in the room. Sara wouldn’t have played a part in the situation if Yakumo hadn’t caused Tenma to be in the room.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Yes, Yakumo should have known that Eri would not respectfully back off, as she has in the past, but instead start acting like a total bitch to her best friend.
    Chapter 205 showed to Yakumo that Eri will still confront those that she feels are trying to get too close to Harima, and shouldn’t have given any indication to Yakumo that Eri would simply back off.

    Also, we don’t know Eri won’t back off yet. Eri has started feuds before, and each time she started them by fighting with the other person before backing off. This feud is still following the same pattern as the other ones.

    Calling Eri a total bitch is a bit extreme; Eri is just giving Tenma a cold shoulder. As far as my definition of total bitch goes, acting like a total bitch to someone involves screaming at them, attacking them, and basically trying to destroy any sort of happiness, dreams, and ambitions that someone desires.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Indeed. I don't really have a problem with others trying to match make for Harima and Eri, or Harima and Yakumo, or Tenma and Karasuma, or Hanai and Mikoto, or even Hanai and Yakumo if it ever happened. It only bugs me when it gets really, really blatant and repetitive. Yakumo's little nudge is negligible in comparison.
    I think the main issue in this debate lies in your comment here. You don’t have a problem with the characters trying to force a pairing, while I do. If this is the case, nothing will get agreed upon about who’s responsible for what, and we’ll just go in circles playing the blame game concerning Yakumo’s actions.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Of course we can still be certain. As recently as 202, Harima went to Eri's party solely for a chance to spend more time with Tenma. He's closer to Tenma than he's ever been before. If Harima is attracted at all to Eri, it does not mean that he wants to have a relationship with her; he was certainly tempted by Tae at one time, but he resisted it, and he'll resist any (so far nonexistent) feelings towards Eri as long as his feelings for Tenma remain strong.
    If Harima gets attracted to Eri despite his apparent inflexible love for Tenma, there’s no certainty his feelings won’t get stronger for Eri, and that he won’t want to desire a relationship with her in the future and be capable of resisting feelings toward her.

    This is starting to get off topic, so I think we should drop this.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    It's not likely. Tenma is the one with the power of acceptance or rejection.
    Yeah, I'm sure Tenma would not get hurt that her sister is betraying her by rejecting Tenma's choice of Karasuma. After all, Yakumo is betraying Tenma for Tenma’s own good, so Tenma will be able to understand that and forgive Yakumo with no problem. Tenma won’t care that Yakumo’s betrayal has jeopardized her friendship with Eri. After all, Tenma has the power of accepting or rejecting Harima’s feelings, and that makes everything okay.

    Seriously, is Tenma going to see Yakumo’s decision that way? Why wouldn’t Tenma be hurt that Yakumo didn’t put any trust in her if she finds out that Yakumo isn’t supporting True Oudou?

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    I disagree. Yakumo's involvement was minimal. Blaming her is as unfair as blaming Sara.
    Yakumo should have known that Eri could get upset with Tenma if Tenma got closer to Harima, since Eri did so to Yakumo in the past, and only two chapters earlier at that. Sara had no idea that she was sending Eri to a room with both Tenma and Harima in it, and, even if she did, she didn’t have any reason to believe Eri liked Harima since Yakumo told her that Eri and Harima weren’t a couple in the previous chapter.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoSapien View Post
    Eh. She's not giving Tougou, Nara, or every other available man on Earth chances either by that standard. It's Yakumo's prerogative to choose who she wants to support. She doesn't have to give every candidate equal consideration, any more than Tenma has to give Harima a chance equal to Karasuma with herself.
    Tougou, Nara, Harima, and every other available man on Earth, except for Karasuma, are not Tenma’s choice, so Yakumo shouldn’t be giving them as much consideration as Karasuma. Yakumo has every right to support whomever she wishes, but I believe she should be supporting her sister and her sister’s decisions more so than Harima.

    Quote Originally Posted by -Ajax- View Post
    It seems to make sense, but then again Neo mentioned the time Iori thwacks the chocolate into Hanai's mouth, did that mean something? Didn't look like it...
    Boy it was funny though lol
    Iori doesn’t thwack the chocolate into Hanai’s mouth; Iori thwacks it into Hanai's room. I explain earlier in this post the significance of Hanai not eating the chocolate pertaining to Japanese culture.
    Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. - Friedrich Nietzsche

 

 
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