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    First thing she put Harima's and Tenma's dolls together but that's not all.
    Thats a good point. Though: Yakumo is too shy to clearly say to them: "Like hell iwould allow his to be put with someone other then me". But has strongly reacted to the variant of Harima X Sawachika putting. Two explanations are possible: Odou and Onigiri. But she is OK with Tenma X Harima pairing. Let me tell you my answer to tquestrion why? in the end of this post.

    The importat thing is what Yakumo thought about Harima... she has an "ideal" Harima in her mind: an Harima who likes Tenma and doesn't change his heart anytime soon. She appreciates this side of his character ("a strong heart that won't sway")... but this is a VERY bad thing for Onigiri. Onigiri means that he will have to somehow change his heart which in Yakumo's opinion will make Harima "cheaper". Quite the problem for the faction.
    Right, a huge problem. For now.
    Although Yakumo has already attacked Eri in the previous chapter (her last phrase was pretty offecive - not words, but facial expression and probably voice), she is still too "weak" against the influence of her older sister, who (it is important to my mind) was her life reason for the last few years. Yakumo lived and served her sister, nothing else; we see none of her friends from junior or middle schools, no ex boyfriends, no precious people. Tenma, the only one who loved her just besouse they are family (quoted from Kolox) was the only one truly important for her. Only a year ago Yakumo started to change, making friends (Sara, then Harima, then her classmates). But Tenma still is - a year is too little period for personality to change complitely - her most precious person. It's hard to just throw away your recent lifereason saying: "Nah, i don't care anymore". To do that, Yakumo needs to grow up more. For now this step for her is impossible. Thats why she is OK with Odou, even if she has an interest inHarima by herself. And, btw, she doesn't need to warry, her sister won't take Harima since she is already obsessed with Karasuma. The only possible rival is Eri, and here, when Flag doll pairing variant appeares, Yakumo reacts offencively. Just like in ch205.

    I think it is a problem only for now. If Yakumo will develop, then she will be able to act even against her sister. Kindly, trying not to hurt her, but against.

    The quesion of "Harima won't change his mind that easily" is Sawachikaphobia question too. She just can't stand him being with Eri. no matter how. He can't switch to that person that easily, tahts the meaning. Not - from my sister to another woman. Yakumo knows that Tenma doesn't need Harima after all.

    And as little extra (that's more bent to interpreting) there is the bittersweet smile of Yakumo on page 8 when she answer Inaba's question. In that smile there is no will to fight for him: as little sister she will just support Tenma/Harima.
    Since i like posting and interpriting pictures i'll use this your phrase and do it once more:

    "Have Harima-senpai confessed to you?"
    Yakumo: surprise - how it is even possible?!



    Second one - dreaming: maybe it is? How great it would be....
    (and Sara surprised - why Yakumo looks like that?) And flowers - why are flowers ther if she is just denying? It's not like KJ just like drawing them no matter if it is a symbol or not.



    P.S. I hope you will post regulary from now on.
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    Actually.. Odou was always the first in Harima's eye's (not in fans thought). Flag is still far away to reach Odou
    - Beach Arc - The hatred to Ojou was born

    - Engagement Arc - Harima got serious when it was about Tenma - she was the one he had in mind

    - Kyoto Arc - ..Tenma again - who cares about Ojou - people speculating that he was with her just made him annoyed

    - Photo Arc - the only arc which ended really positively for Flag and made Harima hatred... less. Long way to 'love' thought.

    Few things keeps Harima from Eri:
    1) Some 'painful' memories
    2) Tenma
    3) Shining wizard
    4) misunderstandings (him and her together - what a nonsense

    Onigiri:
    too lazy to write those down - one of the girls Harima actually wants to be with, and have only good opinion about (although he is always saying "As expected of Tsukamoto little sister).
    I sometimes think that the there is only two things that keeps him from Yakumo

    1) Ultimate motive : Tenma
    2) Yakumo passive character

    The fact they were missunderstood being a pair (Yakumo and Harima) no longer lays so hard in Harima's memory - and he never felt it was Yakumo's fault.

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    But still, In Tenma's eye it just Karasuma. Harima is not included. Even she thinks that Harima is going out with Yakumo.
    The story is more less like this:
    1. Harima loves Tenma
    2. Tenma loves Karasuma
    3. Yakumo wants Harima going out with Tenma
    4. Eri wants to go out with Harima

    So the main point in this story is Harima, and all his act will show how SR go.

    I think it has became so complicated so I can't forecast what they will do in next chapter...

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Thats a good point. Though: Yakumo is too shy to clearly say to them: "Like hell iwould allow his to be put with someone other then me". But has strongly reacted to the variant of Harima X Sawachika putting. Two explanations are possible: Odou and Onigiri. But she is OK with Tenma X Harima pairing. Let me tell you my answer to tquestrion why? in the end of this post.



    Right, a huge problem. For now.
    Although Yakumo has already attacked Eri in the previous chapter (her last phrase was pretty offecive - not words, but facial expression and probably voice), she is still too "weak" against the influence of her older sister, who (it is important to my mind) was her life reason for the last few years. Yakumo lived and served her sister, nothing else; we see none of her friends from junior or middle schools, no ex boyfriends, no precious people. Tenma, the only one who loved her just besouse they are family (quoted from Kolox) was the only one truly important for her. Only a year ago Yakumo started to change, making friends (Sara, then Harima, then her classmates). But Tenma still is - a year is too little period for personality to change complitely - her most precious person. It's hard to just throw away your recent lifereason saying: "Nah, i don't care anymore". To do that, Yakumo needs to grow up more. For now this step for her is impossible. Thats why she is OK with Odou, even if she has an interest inHarima by herself. And, btw, she doesn't need to warry, her sister won't take Harima since she is already obsessed with Karasuma. The only possible rival is Eri, and here, when Flag doll pairing variant appeares, Yakumo reacts offencively. Just like in ch205.

    I think it is a problem only for now. If Yakumo will develop, then she will be able to act even against her sister. Kindly, trying not to hurt her, but against.
    I see you are a bit biased towards Yakumo... but what you are talking about it's just something that you'd like to happen in the future (as a fan i guess). All is possible in the future even an Akira-Harima pairing if KJ takes that direction but i can only take into account what the story was so far. And so far Yakumo never took action to "get" Harima.... even chapter 205 reaction against Eri is highly debatable....


    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    The quesion of "Harima won't change his mind that easily" is Sawachikaphobia question too. She just can't stand him being with Eri. no matter how. He can't switch to that person that easily, tahts the meaning. Not - from my sister to another woman. Yakumo knows that Tenma doesn't need Harima after all.
    Isn't this going a bit overboard? Considering Yakumo's character is more likely than she simply admired Harima's pure heart and didn't just feared an Ojou-Hige pairing... and she would have mentioned her making his sentence something like "he wouldn't be so careless as to fall for her like that..."
    Most probably she is just happy that Harima is some kind of pure person that will stay true to his first love. And that's the reason she started to like him too... cause she couldn't read his mind and thought he was a good person.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Since i like posting and interpriting pictures i'll use this your phrase and do it once more:

    "Have Harima-senpai confessed to you?"
    Yakumo: surprise - how it is even possible?!

    [Image]

    Second one - dreaming: maybe it is? How great it would be....
    (and Sara surprised - why Yakumo looks like that?) And flowers - why are flowers ther if she is just denying? It's not like KJ just like drawing them no matter if it is a symbol or not.

    [Image]

    P.S. I hope you will post regulary from now on.
    Well, the flowers are there to symbolize the fact that she is in love with Harima imo but the bittersweet smile isn't a good sign.
    Sara just know that Yakumo isn't true to her feelings but Yakumo is yet again retreating .... and this time it seems for good. When she was aked the same question in the past she frantically denied and slightly blushed embarassed.... this time she is more calm and kinda resigned.

    Interpretation is always open to fans. Especially in Yakumo's case since she is always vague.... but right now we should considering Yakumo's character and past chapters...
    Who knows? Maybe in the future she will come back into competition if she actually is willing to compete... but right now she is retreating.

    Here a little example of the Onigiri situation

    Let's imagine that SR ends in the next chapter giving no further explanation to the pairing storylines. The "all friends" ending.
    From a Tenma, Harima and Eri pov this would leave much things to explain... it would be a very bad way to end the plot from a romance point of view.
    And Yakumo? Well not really. Yakumo never really showed a direct interest and it was stated in a previous chapter that she will be happy as long as she will go to the college together with Sara. And in this chapter too... SEEMS to give a "closure" to her interest in Harima (to get in a support role for Tenma).
    Not from a fans point of view.... but from a storytelling point of view Onigiri is dead right now.... unless something happens in the future to change the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox View Post
    Actually.. Odou was always the first in Harima's eye's (not in fans thought). Flag is still far away to reach Odou
    - Beach Arc - The hatred to Ojou was born

    - Engagement Arc - Harima got serious when it was about Tenma - she was the one he had in mind

    - Kyoto Arc - ..Tenma again - who cares about Ojou - people speculating that he was with her just made him annoyed

    - Photo Arc - the only arc which ended really positively for Flag and made Harima hatred... less. Long way to 'love' thought.

    Few things keeps Harima from Eri:
    1) Some 'painful' memories
    2) Tenma
    3) Shining wizard
    4) misunderstandings (him and her together - what a nonsense

    Onigiri:
    too lazy to write those down - one of the girls Harima actually wants to be with, and have only good opinion about (although he is always saying "As expected of Tsukamoto little sister).
    I sometimes think that the there is only two things that keeps him from Yakumo

    1) Ultimate motive : Tenma
    2) Yakumo passive character

    The fact they were missunderstood being a pair (Yakumo and Harima) no longer lays so hard in Harima's memory - and he never felt it was Yakumo's fault.
    Actually Flag and Odou are really close in "probabilty". Cause the same problems that afflict Flag (Harima is obsessed by Tenma) afflict Odou too (Tenma is obsessed by Karasuma).

    Both have one person pursuing another one without success...

    Onigiri is well behind since nobody is pursuing there.

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    I have a bad feeling that Odou might actually win this, its a gut feeling though so i don't take it too seriously.

    and an "all friends" ending would make me take 10 grain sandpaper to my face
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    I don't know about you guys, but i found this chapter to be very depressing... especially the second last page. why? well, because i looked at it this way:

    Yakumo loves Harima, but she knows where his heart really is at. She knows that pretty much no matter what she does, his heart will stay the same. And the second last panel where she smiles while denying what was being said, looked a bit more like a sad, "i know it will never be possible, but it's okay, because if it his heart really was so easily swayed, he wouldn't be the same person i loved" type of smile, one of the sort of happy/sad resignation type smiles. Though there are still possibilities for something to happen, Yakumo herself does not believe so.

    anybody else find this to be depressing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiLNeT View Post
    I don't know about you guys, but i found this chapter to be very depressing... especially the second last page. why? well, because i looked at it this way:

    Yakumo loves Harima, but she knows where his heart really is at. She knows that pretty much no matter what she does, his heart will stay the same. And the second last panel where she smiles while denying what was being said, looked a bit more like a sad, "i know it will never be possible, but it's okay, because if it his heart really was so easily swayed, he wouldn't be the same person i loved" type of smile, one of the sort of happy/sad resignation type smiles. Though there are still possibilities for something to happen, Yakumo herself does not believe so.

    anybody else find this to be depressing?
    I can relate. That's why I actually prefer Onigiri than Flag - because the first one is like.. more 'pure'. And I think we shouldn't understimate the power of Onigiri - this whole 'Ghost' and 'Body changes' were to push Yakumo to Harima. If she just once become a little more offensive, she would get probably win over Flag (Harima will most likely accept any 'let's do something together stuff' from Imouto-san than from Ojou).
    But, If in story development Yakumo character won't change, then she will definitely lose - Harima is a dope and he will never see that Yakumo had any feelings toward him. I don't believe it will stay like this forever, it would be a waste of past chapters of KJ if Yakumo never decided to even try have a fight over him.
    And less seriously - If Odou wins, then it's Onigiri win too - because then he could have romance with his wife younger sister

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    Quote Originally Posted by otacu
    I see you are a bit biased towards Yakumo... but what you are talking about it's just something that you'd like to happen in the future (as a fan i guess). All is possible in the future even an Akira-Harima pairing if KJ takes that direction but i can only take into account what the story was so far. And so far Yakumo never took action to "get" Harima.... even chapter 205 reaction against Eri is highly debatable....
    If KJ wants everything can happen, that for sure.

    Yes, Yakumo never acted like that, thats why Onigiri for now has much less chances then Flag. Though while Harima looks only on Tenma they both are loosing, no matter how Eri or Yakumo will try. Harima needs to lose interest in Tenma to start looking at other girls first. Which for now seems not very possible.

    Although Yakumo has already attacked Eri in the previous chapter (her last phrase was pretty offecive - not words, but facial expression and probably voice), she is still too "weak" against the influence of her older sister, who (it is important to my mind) was her life reason for the last few years. Yakumo lived and served her sister, nothing else; we see none of her friends from junior or middle schools, no ex boyfriends, no precious people. Tenma, the only one who loved her just besouse they are family (quoted from Kolox) was the only one truly important for her. Only a year ago Yakumo started to change, making friends (Sara, then Harima, then her classmates). But Tenma still is - a year is too little period for personality to change complitely - her most precious person. It's hard to just throw away your recent lifereason saying: "Nah, i don't care anymore". To do that, Yakumo needs to grow up more. For now this step for her is impossible. Thats why she is OK with Odou, even if she has an interest inHarima by herself. And, btw, she doesn't need to warry, her sister won't take Harima since she is already obsessed with Karasuma. The only possible rival is Eri, and here, when Flag doll pairing variant appeares, Yakumo reacts offencively. Just like in ch205.
    This my line was not just speculating on what can happen, I tried to explain the reasons of Yakumo's behaviour. BTW, same was just said by SiLNeT and Kolox - she knows that while Harima is into Tenma all her actions would be pointless. At besides that, the influence of Tenma is still powerful and hard to overcome. And of course, if Yakumo won't be able to develop more, defeat her shyness and Onee-san's power, then Onigiri would really die.

    Quote Originally Posted by otacu
    Isn't this going a bit overboard? Considering Yakumo's character is more likely than she simply admired Harima's pure heart and didn't just feared an Ojou-Hige pairing... and she would have mentioned her making his sentence something like "he wouldn't be so careless as to fall for her like that..."Most probably she is just happy that Harima is some kind of pure person that will stay true to his first love. And that's the reason she started to like him too... cause she couldn't read his mind and thought he was a good person.
    Then how can she love him if she knows that her love will stay pointless forever? Obviously, if Harima will keep his love to Tenma unchangable, i.e. his heart will stay pure, there is no chances for Yakumo at all. For now she at least have hope, but if things are as you described then having hope is impossible. I doubt taht she can sacrifice herself like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by otacu
    Well, the flowers are there to symbolize the fact that she is in love with Harima imo but the bittersweet smile isn't a good sign.Sara just know that Yakumo isn't true to her feelings but Yakumo is yet again retreating .... and this time it seems for good. When she was aked the same question in the past she frantically denied and slightly blushed embarassed.... this time she is more calm and kinda resigned.

    Interpretation is always open to fans. Especially in Yakumo's case since she is always vague.... but right now we should considering Yakumo's character and past chapters...Who knows? Maybe in the future she will come back into competition if she actually is willing to compete... but right now she is retreating.
    In flowers case i agree with SiLNeT - she knows that now she has no chances, so she is sad. She is calm and resigned because she realized taht while Harima loves her sister she has no chances.

    Yes now she is retreating. As i said more character development is needed for her to enter the competition. Maybe Ghost Girl 3 will help....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    I can relate. That's why I actually prefer Onigiri than Flag - because the first one is like.. more 'pure'. And I think we shouldn't understimate the power of Onigiri - this whole 'Ghost' and 'Body changes' were to push Yakumo to Harima. If she just once become a little more offensive, she would get probably win over Flag (Harima will most likely accept any 'let's do something together stuff' from Imouto-san than from Ojou). But, If in story development Yakumo character won't change, then she will definitely lose - Harima is a dope and he will never see that Yakumo had any feelings toward him. I don't believe it will stay like this forever, it would be a waste of past chapters of KJ if Yakumo never decided to even try have a fight over him.
    I hope KJ will develop Onigiri more. Or less it would really be a great waste.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    And less seriously - If Odou wins, then it's Onigiri win too - because then he could have romance with his wife younger sister
    I like your style man! Real fresh (From GTA 4 incase you haven't played)
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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Yes now she is retreating. As i said more character development is needed for her to enter the competition. Maybe Ghost Girl 3 will help....
    Where is Ghost Girl btw? Have the Ghost Busters Finally Caught her? :P LOL

    It would be funny if Ghost Girl temporarily controlled Yakumo's body to pursue Harima, and confuse Harima wondering "Does Imouto-san like me?"

    That Would be the chapter.... LOL

 

 
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