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    Quote Originally Posted by rikem View Post
    so so, a little off chap b04
    Thanks rikem!

    Now trying to answer Fenrir's question: Ghost Girl deffinitely asked Tenma the same question. This scene is shown to show the contrast between extroverted and easy-going Tenm and introverted and unconfident Yakumo.


    Quote Originally Posted by rikem View Post
    chap b26, seems there's no need of physical contact.
    Here the situation is the same as when Iori and Tenma switched bodies: they were close to each other. In ch b43 Iori and Yakumo couldn't return to there original bodies while Yakumo-cat was with Harima and Eri, since Yakumo's body was not around. It could happen only after Harima brought cat home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    It is possible but I don't think it is what exactly happened. The only thing we can do to solve this question is to wait till next release (or even more if necessary).
    Hopefully the next release will continue where 205 left off. Iíll be disappointed if 206 is like Chapter 200.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    We can't say for sure that it is the battle between Tenma and Eri, since we haven't seen Harima thinking like: "Oh, if I took Iori with me, I can have a chance to see Tenma!" We don't see any of his thoughts about this choice. So in can be interpreted in both ways: Eri X Tenma or Eri X Cat.
    Well, Harima tells Eri that they should bring Iori back to Tenmaís house immediately after he picks up the cat, so I doubt heís not thinking about a chance to see Tenma. The fact that Harima loves Tenma and that heís spent most of the time in School Rumble trying to gain Tenmaís affection makes it much more likely that heís more concerned about a chance to see Tenma.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    I doubt that it is possible to switch bodies without physical contact: remember both times when Iori switched bodies with someone (first Tenma, second Yakumo) they were pretty close - first time sleeping near each other, second time they bumped into each other. And in this chapter Yakumo body didn't appear. They probably switched bodies when Yakumo returned home.
    The times when Iori switched bodies with Tenma and Yakumo happened because they bumped each other, but, as rikem pointed out, that wasnít the case in b26. When the granny and Iori return to their original bodies in b26, they arenít close to each other; they switch bodies again for no reason, making it possible that Iori and Yakumo could have switched bodies a second time any point after you canít see Ioriís eyes. in b43.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    In this point yes, Eri became more serious after it. Though we haven't seen Harima changing his mind, so I can't that we've seen a turning point there.
    Either Eri or Harima having turning points is good for Flag, although at this point Harima having a change of heart is much more important. I wasnít trying to say Harima changed his feelings in that chapter, and I just said 202 is good for Flag because of the development on Eriís part.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    OK, I've overdone it saying that Flag was a trigger there. Besides, Eri and Harima haven't shared umbrella at that moment yet.
    Nope, Eri and Harima had shared an umbrella once at that point. They share an umbrella in their first major scene together way back in Volume 2 after Eri gets rejected by her dad.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    At that Flag scene Eri was torturing Harima, giving him orders just to insult him. It is not that great for feelings development I guess. And after that both Yakumo and Eri (they are absolutely equal here) spied upon Harima and Tenma - here is more Odou moment then Flag's or Onigiris.
    The torment Eri caused Harima seems to leave an impression on him, since he remembers it and re-enacts the scene in Volume 5. I agree the Correct Path wins that arc, though, and that Yakumo and Eri are equal in it. Thatís why I called it a Kidís Meal chapter.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Yakumo didn't fall in love with Harima back then yet. But that arc made her interest in him grow, triggering Yakumo's character development - she gained power to talk to the boy on her own, and note that he was not acquainted with him that well back then. Yakumo from volume 1 couldn't do it that freely for sure.
    It does mark the beginning of her interest in Harima, but that interest doesnít necessarily have to turn romantic. Yakumo talking to Harima isnít much of a development for her, since she canít read Harimaís mind. Yakumo has problems with the men whose minds she can read, hence the reason she runs from Hanai.

    If Harima develops an interest in Yakumo and she still interacts with him, Iíll consider that a huge development for Yakumo.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Why this moment gains points for Flag? Eri wasn't that nice with Harima, she only made him hate her more with her actions.
    As I mentioned earlier, the fact that the moment gets repeated makes the scene stronger in retrospect. This moment doesnít seem to gain points for Flag, and it looks like itís counterproductive because it builds Harimaís dislike of Eri. However, the two fighting isnít that big of a deal; Flag is a love-hate relationship, so fighting is part of the package. Itís how they resolve their conflicts that matters, and the end of the sports festival is a great example of them doing that.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    You are right about the words, since she haven't said anything about Harima. Though I have a feeling that we didn't get all that information about Yakumoís thoughts, her words are too faltering. It is hard to interpret them.
    Lots of Yakumoís dialogue is broken up and faltering; itís how she talks, and her non-assertive talking causes a lot of people to misunderstand her in the story. Yakumoís words should be considered her thoughts in this scene since sheís talking to herself. About interpreting her words here, I donít think the part about Yakumo not liking any guy at that point is very confusing.

    Also, this chapter is a side chapter, so I donít think anything like Yakumo beginning to seriously like Harima would happen in a side chapter if Yakumo loving Harima is central to the plot.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    You are right, she is not a hindrance there. There is no Eri at all: It means that Onigiri can have moments not "relying on Flag too heavily". Yakumo starts to view Eri as obstacle later, for example in Cat's moment, which we are already discussing.
    I have been trying to say that Onigiri exists in the context of Flag, as in Onigiri doesnít appear in the manga without some scenes with Eri in them. Eri is nowhere near the two during the manga scenes, but Kobayashi still takes the time to show us what Eri is doing.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    To say that Yakumo needs to change much more and to become exactly like Eri.
    I do think Yakumo need to become exactly like Eri in regards to her feelings for Harima before she can truly be considered a rival.
    Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. - Friedrich Nietzsche

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    nooo... I have weakness for frikin' long post... my ...eyes...turn...blurry...

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    Hmmm, a lot of free time to type and read.

    ANd a lot of time before the next chapter
    hahahaha

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    Well, Harima tells Eri that they should bring Iori back to Tenma’s house immediately after he picks up the cat, so I doubt he’s not thinking about a chance to see Tenma. The fact that Harima loves Tenma and that he’s spent most of the time in School Rumble trying to gain Tenma’s affection makes it much more likely that he’s more concerned about a chance to see Tenma
    Since we can't see what Harima is thinking we won't get to know the truth anyways. And, becouse of that, we can only guess, so you will think of it in the way you likew it to be and i - in my way.

    The times when Iori switched bodies with Tenma and Yakumo happened because they bumped each other, but, as rikem pointed out, that wasn’t the case in b26. When the granny and Iori return to their original bodies in b26, they aren’t close to each other; they switch bodies again for no reason, making it possible that Iori and Yakumo could have switched bodies a second time any point after you can’t see Iori’s eyes. in b43.
    The thing is that chapter b26 can't be used as evidence since we don't see the moment of minds returning. It's true that we see a cat looking at Megumi walking with her friends and then - a hospital (no old woman and no cat - we can't see in which body is old woman right now, we can see only her thoughts - so either way is possible), then - Megumi and Grandma. We don't see a moment of switching, so it is not a good evidence.
    Either Eri or Harima having turning points is good for Flag, although at this point Harima having a change of heart is much more important. I wasn’t trying to say Harima changed his feelings in that chapter, and I just said 202 is good for Flag because of the development on Eri’s part.
    In this case - yes. But it is not very great, since we already know Eri's feelings. And after that chapter all she could do was that "clumsiness competition". So it is not a turning point, got a little growth of Eri's feelings, nothing that special. The image of Eri's wrath if great though.

    Nope, Eri and Harima had shared an umbrella once at that point. They share an umbrella in their first major scene together way back in Volume 2 after Eri gets rejected by her dad.
    I forgot about it. My bad. Though it has no influence on Onigiri development either way. Ghost Girl haven't meant them as lovers anyways - for her to refer to that sharing is absolutely pointless since Yakumo didn't know about them sharing umbrella back then.

    It does mark the beginning of her interest in Harima, but that interest doesn’t necessarily have to turn romantic. Yakumo talking to Harima isn’t much of a development for her, since she can’t read Harima’s mind. Yakumo has problems with the men whose minds she can read, hence the reason she runs from Hanai.
    That red point is very important - she is interested in him not becouse he brings troubles to her, but becouse she can not read his mind. She is not interested in guys whose mind he can read freely at all. Tahts why Harima is special for her. BTW: a piont about chapter b21, when we have a moment of Yakumo reading Harima's mind: she didn't look dissapointed after reading his mind. Her interest in him haven't decreased. If she felt just curiosity about him (strange, a guy whose mind i can't read), then after reading it she would loose all her interest. But it didn't happen. That means that this moment was not that important to her, sine in majority of cases she can't read it. Still.

    Of course it didn't have to turn into romantic way. But a possibility of it turining to one of ways doesn't matter since it have already happened.

    If Harima develops an interest in Yakumo and she still interacts with him, I’ll consider that a huge development for Yakumo.
    You are absolutely right. Though it will be hard for her.

    As I mentioned earlier, the fact that the moment gets repeated makes the scene stronger in retrospect. This moment doesn’t seem to gain points for Flag, and it looks like it’s counterproductive because it builds Harima’s dislike of Eri. However, the two fighting isn’t that big of a deal; Flag is a love-hate relationship, so fighting is part of the package. It’s how they resolve their conflicts that matters, and the end of the sports festival is a great example of them doing that.
    Yes, it is a love and hate relationship. And yes, what does matter is how it all ended. Though in Haima's point of view the ending of it was not romantic. Yes, they danced. Yes, she saved him from loneliness. But for him taht just means that he gained a debt he needs to pay some time later, and he pays (and gets kicked by Eri in the end). The matter solved for him. Without romance.
    Also, this chapter is a side chapter, so I don’t think anything like Yakumo beginning to seriously like Harima would happen in a side chapter if Yakumo loving Harima is central to the plot.
    This point (since this one was brought up mane times) always makes me wonder - why do poeple think that side chapters are less important then main onese?

    Lots of Yakumo’s dialogue is broken up and faltering; it’s how she talks, and her non-assertive talking causes a lot of people to misunderstand her in the story. Yakumo’s words should be considered her thoughts in this scene since she’s talking to herself. About interpreting her words here, I don’t think the part about Yakumo not liking any guy at that point is very confusing.
    All right then: "I still don't have a person i like.....but...Iori...there are a lot of people around me....right now...."
    What "right now"? "Right now my heart is ready to fall in love with one of them"?
    What "but"? "B ut as i promised to a ghost girl, i will fasll in love with one of them"?
    "I don't feel lonely" is clear, i guess. Though..."I don't feel lonely" because of whom?

    See, this is Onigiri way of thinking. You will interpret in an absolute polar way i guess.

    I have been trying to say that Onigiri exists in the context of Flag, as in Onigiri doesn’t appear in the manga without some scenes with Eri in them. Eri is nowhere near the two during the manga scenes, but Kobayashi still takes the time to show us what Eri is doing.
    Then a question: does her appearence always have something to do with Flag or it is just Eri?

    I do think Yakumo need to become exactly like Eri in regards to her feelings for Harima before she can truly be considered a rival.
    Yakumo will never become like Eri. Besides, there are other ways of doing things then just breaking throiugh crushing everything taht is on the way, how Eri is doing. Yakumo is more elegant, her way is elegant too. She needs to develop her own style of living, not become like her rival.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobayashi Jin, chapter 94 last page
    Osakabe Itoko, a homeless child.
    I sooooo love this moment

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Since we can't see what Harima is thinking we won't get to know the truth anyways. And, because of that, we can only guess, so you will think of it in the way you like it to be and I - in my way.
    All right. I think Iíve stated my case clearly enough and if youíre still not convinced, I donít think I can change your mind on this one.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    The thing is that chapter b26 can't be used as evidence since we don't see the moment of minds returning. It's true that we see a cat looking at Megumi walking with her friends and then - a hospital (no old woman and no cat - we can't see in which body is old woman right now, we can see only her thoughts - so either way is possible), then - Megumi and Grandma. We don't see a moment of switching, so it is not a good evidence.
    We donít know what the moment of the second switch to the original bodies is any time Iori has switched bodies so there arenít really any rules for the second switch, meaning the switch could have happened any time after we no longer see Ioriís eyes in b43.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    In this case - yes. But it is not very great, since we already know Eri's feelings. And after that chapter all she could do was that "clumsiness competition". So it is not a turning point, got a little growth of Eri's feelings, nothing that special. The image of Eri's wrath if great though.
    The clumsiness competition is a fairly big evolution for Eri. In her first appearance back in Volume 1, Eri is portrayed as a vain woman obsessed with her appearance, setting her up as a proud person. Later, in Volume 4, Eri keeps on running away from Suou because of her proud personality On Eriís Trading Card, pride goes off the chart on the pentagon power grid. Pride has been one of the major obstacles Eri has needed to overcome in order to love Harima. For Eri to be willing to disregard her pride in favour of Harima is quite a step for her.

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    I forgot about it. My bad. Though it has no influence on Onigiri development either way. Ghost Girl haven't meant them as lovers anyways - for her to refer to that sharing is absolutely pointless since Yakumo didn't know about them sharing umbrella back then.
    Itís true the ghost wasnít referring to Eri and Harima at that moment, but I wouldnít say her reference is entirely pointless. The ghost girlís comment is like Kobayashi calling Eri and Harima lovers, and after b29 Yakumo sees the two sharing an umbrella as Iori. Also, I donít think Yakumo has forgotten the ghostís comment on lovers sharing umbrellas, since Yakumo tells Harima to draw his two manga characters sharing an umbrella to show that they like each other in Chapter 143.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    That red point is very important - she is interested in him not because he brings troubles to her, but because she can not read his mind. She is not interested in guys whose mind she can read freely at all. Thatís why Harima is special for her. BTW: a point about chapter b21, when we have a moment of Yakumo reading Harima's mind: she didn't look disappointed after reading his mind. Her interest in him haven't decreased. If she felt just curiosity about him (strange, a guy whose mind I can't read), then after reading it she would loose all her interest. But it didn't happen. That means that this moment was not that important to her, sine in majority of cases she can't read it.
    I agree that Yakumo is interested in Harima because she canít read his mind, but that doesnít bode well for an Onigiri ending because sheíll be able to read his mind after he starts liking her. If Harima is special to her because she canít read his mind, heís not special to her anymore after she can read it; Harima is basically Hanai then.

    Yakumo reads his mind in b21, but itís a very short moment and she doesnít read his mind because he likes her; Harima thinks sheís Tenma for a moment. Yakumo blushes a little bit after reading his thoughts, which she does after she reads any other guyís mind.
    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Though in Harima's point of view the ending of it was not romantic. Yes, they danced. Yes, she saved him from loneliness. But for him that just means that he gained a debt he needs to pay some time later, and he pays (and gets kicked by Eri in the end). The matter solved for him. Without romance.
    Harima doesnít gain a debt for Eri after the dance; in fact, he gets mad afterwards because someone writes his and Eriís names under the umbrella of love on his desk. He isnít thinking highly of Eri after the dance, nor does he think he owes her one.

    About the Omiai arc, Harima helps Eri because Tenma gets involved; he only becomes serious after he sees Tenma in the car with Masaru. Itís important to remember that Harima is deceiving Eri throughout the entire arc, so Eri punishes him with a drop-kick at the end of Chapter 153. Also, Eri makes up for the kick the very next chapter by standing up for him when Tenma is calling him a monkey again. Then thereís romance at the end of Chapter 154 with Harima apologizing to Eri in front of the Christmas tree.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    This point (since this one was brought up mane times) always makes me wonder - why do people think that side chapters are less important then main ones?
    The side chapters are used to add depth to the side characters, and to supply additional details to the more important events in the main story. The side chapters are like a source of School Rumble trivia; itís doesnít fit into the main story to tell us the extent of Nishimotoís perversion, but Kobayashi tells us about it in the side chapters.

    Yakumo appears almost exclusively in the side chapters in the beginning, but she leaves them for the most part after she becomes a more important character.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    All right then: "I still don't have a person I like.....but...Iori...there are a lot of people around me....right now...."
    What "right now"? "Right now my heart is ready to fall in love with one of them"?
    I think sheís just explaining why sheís not lonely there.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    What "but"? "But as I promised to a ghost girl, I will fall in love with one of them"?
    She doesnít promise the ghost that sheíll fall in love with any of the people around her, just that sheíll fall in love with someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    "I don't feel lonely" is clear, I guess. Though..."I don't feel lonely" because of whom?
    I think she doesnít feel lonely because she has friends. She doesnít have to have a boyfriend to stop feeling lonely.

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    Then a question: does her appearance always have something to do with Flag or it is just Eri?
    Itís both.

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    Yakumo will never become like Eri. Besides, there are other ways of doing things then just breaking through crushing everything that is on the way, how Eri is doing. Yakumo is more elegant, her way is elegant too. She needs to develop her own style of living, not become like her rival.
    I didnít say Yakumo has to act like Eri; I said Yakumo has to love Harima before she can truly be a rival for Eri.
    Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. - Friedrich Nietzsche

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    We don’t know what the moment of the second switch to the original bodies is any time Iori has switched bodies so there aren’t really any rules for the second switch, meaning the switch could have happened any time after we no longer see Iori’s eyes in b43.
    Basically if to switch you need to be close then to switch again you need the same conditions. It is logical.

    For Eri to be willing to disregard her pride in favour of Harima is quite a step for her.
    Yes. A agree that her birthday was a development for her.

    Yakumo reads his mind in b21, but it’s a very short moment and she doesn’t read his mind because he likes her; Harima thinks she’s Tenma for a moment. Yakumo blushes a little bit after reading his thoughts, which she does after she reads any other guy’s mind.
    The question is: did Yakumo understand that she was able to read Harima's mind because she looked like Tenma back then? I think that no.

    I agree that Yakumo is interested in Harima because she can’t read his mind, but that doesn’t bode well for an Onigiri ending because she’ll be able to read his mind after he starts liking her. If Harima is special to her because she can’t read his mind, he’s not special to her anymore after she can read it; Harima is basically Hanai then.
    She was able to read his mind once, even if it is for a short moment. And she hasn't lost her interest in him after this. I think she won't lose it if she will be able to read it permanentaly.

    What irritates her in guys is their thoughts about her - but his goes only for those who she don't love. Harima is different. It won't irritate her in him.

    Harima doesn’t gain a debt for Eri after the dance; in fact, he gets mad afterwards because someone writes his and Eri’s names under the umbrella of love on his desk. He isn’t thinking highly of Eri after the dance, nor does he think he owes her one.
    Harima is a real man (he talkes about himself like that) - so if someone helps him he thinks that he is in debt. He got mad not at her - for those who wrote it. And it is more Odou moment if we speak of Harima's reation on it - he got afraid that Tenma will be mad.

    He doesn't need to think of her highly o return debt. It is just a question of honour for him, likes and dislikes are not involved.
    About the Omiai arc, Harima helps Eri because Tenma gets involved; he only becomes serious after he sees Tenma in the car with Masaru. It’s important to remember that Harima is deceiving Eri throughout the entire arc, so Eri punishes him with a drop-kick at the end of Chapter 153. Also, Eri makes up for the kick the very next chapter by standing up for him when Tenma is calling him a monkey again. Then there’s romance at the end of Chapter 154 with Harima apologizing to Eri in front of the Christmas tree.
    Thats all true. Though i think that not only Tenma's presence and Mikoto's words influenced him. His debt too. Though i may be wrong here.

    And just after thanking her Eri started new fight. Not a prefect make up. And no romance for Harima here - he thanks Eri for participating in Odou development. Romance here goes only for Eri.
    I think she’s just explaining why she’s not lonely there.
    I think it is not that simple. Anyways my point here was that this moment could be interpreted in different ways. You and me did it.


    She doesn’t promise the ghost that she’ll fall in love with any of the people around her, just that she’ll fall in love with someone.
    With whom then? She is still too shy to find anyone other then her present acquaintances.

    I think she doesn’t feel lonely because she has friends. She doesn’t have to have a boyfriend to stop feeling lonely.
    You can feel lonely even if you have friends. This are too different kind of loneliness. Every human needs lover or else he/she is not normal.

    I didn’t say Yakumo has to act like Eri; I said Yakumo has to love Harima before she can truly be a rival for Eri.
    Sorry, due to low level of my english i misunderstood.
    I think she already loves him.

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    does Yakumo even kow , the conditions needed for her to read mind ? does she know that the person must have attraction (or love) for her to make possible the reding mind ? i don't think so.

    the only time that she readed Harima mind, She saw something nice for her. that's quite da good impression on this young woman, emotion up + hope up = combo love up. Oh yakumo~~<3
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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Basically if to switch you need to be close then to switch again you need the same conditions. It is logical.
    Well, the whole idea of switching bodies with an animal is illogical, so I donít see why it should have to follow certain rules. Kobayashi has been inconsistent with the first switch; Tenma switches after bumping into Iori, the granny suddenly switches just by looking at Iori, while Yakumo also bumps into Iori.

    Thereís been nothing in the manga to indicate the second switch has to happen the same way as the first.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    The question is: did Yakumo understand that she was able to read Harima's mind because she looked like Tenma back then? I think that no.
    In the frame where we can see Yakumo thoughts, you can partially see Tenmaís name. Parts of her name are hidden behind Harimaís back, though, and Iím not sure if Yakumo was able to see Tenmaís name.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    She was able to read his mind once, even if it is for a short moment. And she hasn't lost her interest in him after this. I think she won't lose it if she will be able to read it permanently.
    Actually, I think being able to read his mind briefly increased her interest in him, if anything. Harimaís a bit of a black box to her, and while not being able to read his mind makes him unusual, briefly being able to understand his thoughts makes him even more mysterious to Yakumo.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    What irritates her in guys is their thoughts about her - but his goes only for those who she don't love. Harima is different. It won't irritate her in him.
    I think sheís more irritated by guys hitting on her than their thoughts about her. Why would she be mad at someone just because they like her?

    Hanai is the person who bothers her the most in the manga, and Kobayashi has portrayed Hanai and Harima as very similar people. If Harima actually does fall in love Yakumo, heíd act exactly the same way as Hanai does.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Harima is a real man (he talks about himself like that) - so if someone helps him he thinks that he is in debt. He got mad not at her - for those who wrote it. And it is more Odou moment if we speak of Harima's reaction on it - he got afraid that Tenma will be mad.
    The point I was trying to make here was that Harima is not thinking that he owes a debt to Eri in the scene after the dance, so thereís no reason to assume that he thinks owes her one for the dance.

    Actually, heís afraid Tenma is sad. Tenma looks like sheís in pain in his tunnel vision. ďW-why does she have that sad face...?Ē are his thoughts in Chapter 85. Also, thatís the chapter where Eri decides to try and get closer to Harima so Flag ends up greatly overshadowing Odou there, despite Harimaís reaction to the umbrella.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Thatís all true. Though I think that not only Tenma's presence and Mikoto's words influenced him. His debt too. Though I may be wrong here.
    Nah, I think itís just Mikoto and Tenma. In Chapter 151, Harima isnít sure why heís helping Eri out at first, and heís just driving because Mikoto made him. Heís not thinking ďI donít want to help her out, but I owe her one,Ē and he only becomes determined to help Eri out after he sees Tenma.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    And just after thanking her Eri started new fight. Not a perfect make up. And no romance for Harima here - he thanks Eri for participating in Odou development. Romance here goes only for Eri.
    Eri doesnít start the new fight; she acts nice towards Harima before heís rude to her.

    The two are standing around a Christmas tree, and Christmas is a loversí holiday in Japan, while Harima is thanking Eri. How is that not romantic for Harima? He participates in a romantic scene, whether or not that was his intention.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    I think it is not that simple. Anyways my point here was that this moment could be interpreted in different ways. You and me did it.
    The simplest solution tends to be the best one. Yakumo says she doesnít feel lonely, then says she has many people around her, so itís likely sheís not lonely because of those people around her.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    With whom then? She is still too shy to find anyone other then her present acquaintances.
    She could end up with plenty of people. It could be Harima, Hanai, Nara, Nishimoto, Asou, or somebody who hasnít even appeared in the manga. Sheíll have to open herself up if she wants to have a successful relationship with anybody, so sheíll have to overcome her shyness at some point.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    You can feel lonely even if you have friends. This are too different kind of loneliness. Every human needs lover or else he/she is not normal.
    Yeah, but Yakumo is saying that she isnít lonely in this scene, not that sheís lonely.

    Quote Originally Posted by rikem View Post
    Does Yakumo even know , the conditions needed for her to read mind ? Does she know that the person must have attraction (or love) for her to make possible the reading mind ? I don't think so.
    I donít think so, either. I think sheís a bit confused about it, since itís been so inconsistent.

    Quote Originally Posted by rikem View Post
    The only time that she read Harima mind, She saw something nice for her. that's quite da good impression on this young woman, emotion up + hope up = combo love up. Oh Yakumo~~<3
    I wonder how sheíd react to one of Harimaís more intense moments.
    Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. - Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Although I'm going to be a little cruel on the little Yakumo. please forgive me.
    It's just the other point of view I wanted to show

    Yakumo - the girl who have it all - looks, brains, sports, ESP power. Actually, she was a little spoiled when she was a brat - she was good at everything and propably everyone said "Yakumo, your so great - what a beatiful picture you made". But she had an enemy - her sister - the "Walking Doom".
    She, being so perfect, couldn't stand her sister. But eventually, she relised that only her sister loved her for what she was...her sister. The love without much of profit, groundless love - not because she was perfect - but because she 'was'
    She continued to be perfect... for her sister sake. But propably, that was the reason she tried to alienate from other people - they did love her for something else than her sister. Actually, Yakumo became a little hypocrite - she loved to be loved , but then she started to feel ankward about it
    Then we have Harima - a guy who....doesn't love her ?? Why ?? But he still talk with her normally, for some reasons want's her to be with him - but no feelings ?? Isn't it about her looks, about her brain or "Naah, let's fuck" and stuff ?? Asking all the time "What does he see in me??" made her interested in him. The brief moment, when she could read his mind was somehow a drop of happines for her "I made him like me, even if that was for brief moment".
    Somehow, Yakumo is more satisfied when she knows why people like her and if she is able to have some 'hand' in it Her sister, her father, Sara, Harima - they love was different than those guys who always scream "Yakumooo-kun".

    End of the post..

 

 
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