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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness
    There’s been nothing in the manga to indicate the second switch has to happen the same way as the first.
    Then lets just leave this one aside as well. No use discussing if no evidence can be found
    In the frame where we can see Yakumo thoughts, you can partially see Tenma’s name. Parts of her name are hidden behind Harima’s back, though, and I’m not sure if Yakumo was able to see Tenma’s name.
    Yeah, and she only says "Ah, i can see it" but she probably means seeing his thoughts in generall not particularry Tenma's name.

    Anyways, the reason of her blush is that "ah i can see it!". That doesn't eliminate my point about Yakumo not loosing her interest in Harima even after reading his mind. This brief moment just made her more curious and interested in him. And you agree with me here, so this problem is solved, right?

    I think she’s more irritated by guys hitting on her than their thoughts about her. Why would she be mad at someone just because they like her?
    Not the fact that they like her, but the way they do it. Their way is (just as Kolox said) Yakumooooon! I'm sure if she meets guy who like her but think of her in a different way that just "Naaah, lets fuck!" she won't be irritated.

    Hanai is the person who bothers her the most in the manga, and Kobayashi has portrayed Hanai and Harima as very similar people. If Harima actually does fall in love Yakumo, he’d act exactly the same way as Hanai does.
    Hanai doesn't care about Yakumo's wishe, like, dislikes - her soul - at all. Harima does think about Tenma not only in monkey way. Even if he is always clumsy and miundertanding he at least tryes to care about Tenma. When he broke her plate he was thinking in a way "I will make it in time for Tenma-chan's sake!". We know that Tenma doesn't care about his manga and what concernes her is plate which Harima broke being in hurry. But Harima doesn't. He thinks that manga is important for her. Yes, he hurted her, but not intentionally, he wished for the best. He is not exactly like Hanai who is much more selfish in love. I agree that Harima needs to grow up but at least he is on a right way.

    Actually, he’s afraid Tenma is sad. Tenma looks like she’s in pain in his tunnel vision. “W-why does she have that sad face...?” are his thoughts in Chapter 85.
    Anyways, we both agree that he was afraid of hurting her. He didn't got mad because his name was written under umbrella with Ojou's. If it was Akira or Mikoto his reaction would be the same.

    Also, that’s the chapter where Eri decides to try and get closer to Harima so Flag ends up greatly overshadowing Odou there, despite Harima’s reaction to the umbrella.
    And where is overshadowing? Just a flag moment, tahts all. And page ends with image of Harima trying to confess to Tenma. It is a bigger step then just sewing a jaket.

    Eri doesn’t start the new fight; she acts nice towards Harima before he’s rude to her.
    If it is Harima who started fight it is even worser for Flag: that means that even if he is grateful for Eri for her help she still irritates him. Not much romance i guess.

    The two are standing around a Christmas tree, and Christmas is a lovers’ holiday in Japan, while Harima is thanking Eri. How is that not romantic for Harima? He participates in a romantic scene, whether or not that was his intention.
    It may be romantic for Eri but not for Harima. As long as he doesn't feel in romantic way it is not romantic for him.

    The simplest solution tends to be the best one. Yakumo says she doesn’t feel lonely, then says she has many people around her, so it’s likely she’s not lonely because of those people around her.
    Even if it tends it doesn't mean it is a true one. As i said, friends won't save you from loneliness which not having lover causes.

    She could end up with plenty of people. It could be Harima, Hanai, Nara, Nishimoto, Asou, or somebody who hasn’t even appeared in the manga. She’ll have to open herself up if she wants to have a successful relationship with anybody, so she’ll have to overcome her shyness at some point
    It is true that she has to overcome her shyness. And she seem to have begun doing it (though you don't agree to me it this point).

    Yeah, but Yakumo is saying that she isn’t lonely in this scene, not that she’s lonely.
    And she is talking about her friends there. Nothing about love. So she didn't lack friends, it is confirmed. And about lovers - she is silent. Suspicious.

    Quote Originally Posted by rikem
    Does Yakumo even know , the conditions needed for her to read mind ? Does she know that the person must have attraction (or love) for her to make possible the reading mind ? I don't think so.
    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness
    I don’t think so, either. I think she’s a bit confused about it, since it’s been so inconsistent.



    Ghost Girl says those words like quoting Yakumo's thoughts. Yakumo does know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    Although I'm going to be a little cruel on the little Yakumo. please forgive me. It's just the other point of view I wanted to show
    I actually never though of her in this way. I found it very interesting and analysis is needed here. So let me ask you to creat a new thread for us to discuss it there: it will prevent two interesting discussion from mixing with each other - a lot of people who don't want to read ultraness and my posts would just miss your theory among them (our posts are just tooooo big ). So please creat a new thread for it - it really worth it i belive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Ghost Girl says those words like quoting Yakumo's thoughts. Yakumo does know.
    Her mind reading gets stronger once a moon? Does it mean she can read minds more easily when she's more fertile? (If you know what i mean)or does it get stronger during the full moon? , Ghost Girl Must be stalking her lol.
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    Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool XD

    That was the best "making fun of" of the month xD Kniteowl bravo !! XD hop a little gift ;D
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    Before I start disagreeing with reinard-fox...

    Just two more days until the raw for Chapter 206 comes out!

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Yeah, and she only says "Ah, I can see it" but she probably means seeing his thoughts in general not particularly Tenma's name.
    Thatís likely. Suddenly being able to read Harimaís mind should have given her a bit of a jolt, so I donít think she would have been paying too much attention to what he was thinking.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Anyways, the reason of her blush is that "ah I can see it!". That doesn't eliminate my point about Yakumo not loosing her interest in Harima even after reading his mind. This brief moment just made her more curious and interested in him. And you agree with me here, so this problem is solved, right?
    In some ways that problem is solved. I think itís been clear since Volume 4 that Yakumo has been interested in Harima; however, I just donít think that interest has ever turned romantic, which is the underlying reason for this debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Not the fact that they like her, but the way they do it. Their way is (just as Kolox said) Yakumooooon! I'm sure if she meets guy who like her but think of her in a different way that just "Naaah, lets fuck!" she won't be irritated.
    I wish Yakumo luck in finding a guy who doesnít think about sex. Theyíre a rare breed.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Hanai doesn't care about Yakumo's wishes, like, dislikes - her soul - at all. Harima does think about Tenma not only in monkey way. Even if he is always clumsy and misunderstanding he at least tries to care about Tenma. When he broke her plate he was thinking in a way "I will make it in time for Tenma-chan's sake!". We know that Tenma doesn't care about his manga and what concerns her is plate which Harima broke being in hurry. But Harima doesn't. He thinks that manga is important for her. Yes, he hurt her, but not intentionally, he wished for the best. He is not exactly like Hanai who is much more selfish in love. I agree that Harima needs to grow up but at least he is on a right way.
    Well, Odou has been more likely than the Dream Come True faction because of what you said in this rant; Harima has developed some maturity in regard to his feelings for the one he loves, while Hanai has not. Odou doesnít scare me more than the other non-Flag factions for nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Anyways, we both agree that he was afraid of hurting her. He didn't got mad because his name was written under umbrella with Ojou's. If it was Akira or Mikoto his reaction would be the same.
    Yeah, I agree his reaction would have been the same no matter whoís name was written on it (except Tenma, then he would have freaked out a lot more). But I wasnít trying to prove heís mad because someone put him with Eri underneath the umbrella. I just mentioned it to argue against Harima feeling like he owes Eri a debt for the dance.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    And where is overshadowing? Just a flag moment, thatís all. And page ends with image of Harima trying to confess to Tenma. It is a bigger step then just sewing a jacket.
    Thatís not just a Flag moment; itís one of the most important Flag moments in the series. In the chapter, Eri clearly says that sheís going for Harima, and starts off by taking a risk with the jersey. Before the chapter, Eriís feelings are vague, and she doesnít have much to lose because she hasnít committed herself towards Flag.

    Thus, this chapter is more significant for Flag than the other factions, hence the reason I said it overshadowed Odou. Sure, Harima tried to confess to Tenma, but thatís nothing new; heís been trying to confess to her since the second chapter. The chapter doesnít develop Odou.

    Itís the kind of chapter Iíve been waiting for Yakumo to have, before Iíll think that she wants to be more than friends with Harima.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    If it is Harima who started fight it is even worse for Flag: that means that even if he is grateful for Eri for her help she still irritates him.
    Itís nothing bad for Flag; Harimaís prejudice towards Eri has been Flagís biggest obstacle for a while now, and itís Harimaís prejudice at work against Flag again in this chapter.

    One of Harimaís biggest problems, from a Flag viewpoint, is that he misinterprets everything Eri does as something malicious. For example, Harima mistakenly believes Eri is worried about Harima coming onto her in Chapter 152, while she is actually thinking about coming on to him. As a result, he frequently acts meaner to Eri than he should be.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    It may be romantic for Eri but not for Harima. As long as he doesn't feel in romantic way it is not romantic for him.
    Ever since Harima saw the umbrella on his desk, heís been viewing their interactions together from a romantic viewpoint, For instance, he notes that Eri is defenceless and then tells himself that heís not interested in her in Chapter 152. By Chapter 154, he comes to the conclusion that Eri=trouble in his relationship with Tenma, and heís aware of the romantic innuendo associated with being around Eri. Consequently, he does start viewing their moments together in a romantic sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    As I said, friends won't save you from loneliness which not having lover causes.
    Thatís true but Yakumoís biological clock isnít ticking yet, so I think thatís a problem sheís going to go through later, not now.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    It is true that she has to overcome her shyness. And she seem to have begun doing it (though you don't agree to me it this point).
    I agree sheís started to overcome her shyness. Getting more friends is a good step, as well as her time spent with Harima. Iím just waiting for the big leap, when she can act normally around men who really like her.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    And she is talking about her friends there. Nothing about love. So she didn't lack friends, it is confirmed. And about lovers - she is silent. Suspicious.
    Sheís saying that sheís not lonely despite not having someone she loves. I donít see anything suspicious there.

    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    Ghost Girl says those words like quoting Yakumo's thoughts. Yakumo does know.
    Nice find. That was from Volume 2, so I forgot about that one.

    Quote Originally Posted by kniteowl View Post
    Her mind reading gets stronger once a moon? Does it mean she can read minds more easily when she's more fertile? (If you know what i mean)or does it get stronger during the full moon? , Ghost Girl Must be stalking her lol.
    I thought about that, too, but I think the ghost girl just means Yakumoís powers are stronger during the full moon.
    Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. - Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness View Post
    I thought about that, too, but I think the ghost girl just means Yakumoís powers are stronger during the full moon.
    So, she the same type as werewolf

    OMG, she's actually a monster!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fifthtouch View Post
    So, she the same type as werewolf

    OMG, she's actually a monster!!
    There's no proof whether her mind reading increases are a full moon thing or a monthly thing (If you what I Mean)

    We just know it's a monthly cycle.

    Does anyone know on the night when Yakumo spends the night with harima to finish his manga whether or not it was a full moon or not? Or whether her mind reading powers were at it's maximum?

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    Nah. It never mention in the manga whether it full moon or not. So we can't know the truth. But even if there is full moon, I think Yakumo still can't read Harima's mind because until know we know that Harima only loves Tenma.

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    I think the werewolf idea is more rumble
    But those that mean... Tenma is a werewolf too (or weredog)
    Because she too has an ESP power - A POWER TO BEND SPOONS !!
    ..... joke

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultraness
    I wish Yakumo luck in finding a guy who doesn’t think about sex. They’re a rare breed.
    I didn't mean someone who won't think about sex at all (such people are simply not normal), i meant a guy who won't think only about sex. Unlike most of guys who are chasing Yakumo now.

    That’s not just a Flag moment; it’s one of the most important Flag moments in the series. In the chapter, Eri clearly says that she’s going for Harima, and starts off by taking a risk with the jersey. Before the chapter, Eri’s feelings are vague, and she doesn’t have much to lose because she hasn’t committed herself towards Flag.
    Nah, her feelings were obvious before it. She confirmed it, yes, but it was not that necessary. When Germany attacked Soviet Union in 1941 they didn't declare a war before attack, but it was obvious without declaring that the war started. Same case here.

    Thus, this chapter is more significant for Flag than the other factions, hence the reason I said it overshadowed Odou. Sure, Harima tried to confess to Tenma, but that’s nothing new; he’s been trying to confess to her since the second chapter. The chapter doesn’t develop Odou.
    Yes, he did. But Eri has also served Harima before this chapter - she jumped to get Harima's hat at festival. So, sewing jacket for him, she hasn't done anything brand new. So, no development for Flag? Every time he needs even more curage to do it, since he have to overcome fear of failing one mor time. And, in this case, he is confessing to a girl who (as he think she is) mad on him. A lot of courage is needed. It is ot development?

    It’s the kind of chapter I’ve been waiting for Yakumo to have, before I’ll think that she wants to be more than friends with Harima.
    It would be great but not necessary.

    It’s nothing bad for Flag; Harima’s prejudice towards Eri has been Flag’s biggest obstacle for a while now, and it’s Harima’s prejudice at work against Flag again in this chapter.
    My point was not that he is just prejudice towards her, which is obvious, but that he is offensive even after she helped him greately. This is what really is bad.

    One of Harima’s biggest problems, from a Flag viewpoint, is that he misinterprets everything Eri does as something malicious. For example, Harima mistakenly believes Eri is worried about Harima coming onto her in Chapter 152, while she is actually thinking about coming on to him. As a result, he frequently acts meaner to Eri than he should be.
    That sure is a problem. One of the biggest but not the only one.

    Ever since Harima saw the umbrella on his desk, he’s been viewing their interactions together from a romantic viewpoint, For instance, he notes that Eri is defenceless and then tells himself that he’s not interested in her in Chapter 152. By Chapter 154, he comes to the conclusion that Eri=trouble in his relationship with Tenma, and he’s aware of the romantic innuendo associated with being around Eri. Consequently, he does start viewing their moments together in a romantic sense.
    Ever since he saw their names under umbrella he thinks that Eri is really a big nuisance. Nothink romantic here. And note about Eri being defensless is more about sex then romance. He probably thinks about it because she always acts strong and the situation where she looks defensless creates a huge contrast with usual reality. You just want to see romance here because it serves Flag. Though it does not actually.

    That’s true but Yakumo’s biological clock isn’t ticking yet, so I think that’s a problem she’s going to go through later, not now.
    If her biological clock does not work yet that means that she has got a big propblem and needs to find docter as fast as possible.

    Come on, she is 15. There is no way they are not ticking.

    She’s saying that she’s not lonely despite not having someone she loves. I don’t see anything suspicious there.
    I see suspisiousness not in words but in pauses. Thgough it is possible that i'm overthinking it.

    I thought about that, too, but I think the ghost girl just means Yakumo’s powers are stronger during the full moon.
    I thought this way too. KJ is not a genecologist or Muracami after all to think in more biological way.
    Quote Originally Posted by kniteowl
    There's no proof whether her mind reading increases are a full moon thing or a monthly thing (If you what I Mean)
    We do know it - it is in the line Ghost Girl said.

    Quote Originally Posted by fifthtouch
    So, she the same type as werewolf
    OMG, she's actually a monster!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    But those that mean... Tenma is a werewolf too (or weredog)
    ....and Iori can switch bodies. They all are monsters.
    Last edited by reinard-fox; 12-21-2006 at 09:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reinard-fox View Post
    If her biological clock does not work yet that means that she has got a big propblem and needs to find docter as fast as possible.

    Come on, she is 15. There is no way they are not ticking.
    I double that - if her "biological clock isn't ticking" it can only means two things
    a) She should visit the doctor, because is somehow unnatural for 15/16 years old girl to have such problems (it starts at years of 12-14)
    b) She is a werewolf Moreover, an ESP werewolf
    Quote Originally Posted by kniteowl View Post
    [..] or a monthly thing (If you what I Mean)
    We know what you mean and thinking..you pervert (just kidding)
    Last edited by Kolox; 12-21-2006 at 09:28 AM.

 

 
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