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    Quote Originally Posted by Weimario-kun
    Whoa, whoa whoa, slow down there swampstorm. Where was it that Harima tells Eri that he likes Tenma? Oh wait, he was delirious in the false hope that Tenma may still have a chance of liking him and had stupidly assumed that Oujo already knew about he liking Tenma (when in actuality, Oujo was confidently refering about herself). So not much of a confidente eh? He assumes that if she already know then its not like he can easily deny it especially when she appears to be supportive in this.
    Regardless, from Harima's perspective, he was making an admission of his feelings for Tenma to Eri. In order to make that admission, he needed to be willing to treat Eri as a confidant, something that he was unwilling to do with Yakumo. Whether or not Eri understood is another story altogether.

    Quote Originally Posted by Weimario-kun
    I also seen to have forgotten the chapter where Harima absolutely denies the Tenma subject from Yakumo, where was that?
    It occurs during the manga writing arc that takes place late in season 1. It's the same part where Harima accuses Yakumo of being an esper.

    Quote Originally Posted by Weimario-kun
    Anyway, with Yakumo, He was not certain about Yakumo's support in this matter and he could easily avoid the uncomfortable subject because he doesn't suspect her knowing about it for certain like that time with Eri.
    If your are unable to confide in someone because you believe that they may not support you, then you don't trust the person in question as a confidant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Weimario-kun
    Anyway, all this evidence of couplings can not deny the one truth (that goes for both onigiri and flag) , Harima has yet to develop feelings for anyone other than Tenma. This is not much of a shame to me as is with you because I'd rather see feelings develop on one individual for someone because she has yet to fall in love (I am of course talking about Yakumo; what a shame in a series with couples left and right) even if the other party won't develop the same feelings to legitimise a 'couple'.
    It's not a shame in my view. Even if Harima does become a full blown anti-hero, it still doesn't change the fact that Eri has taken the spotlight for the majority of the story - she is the real protagonist of this story. This isn't a story about who wins the "harem male" - it's a story about character growth and development - and in that regard, Eri surpasses all others. Harima's choice is purely academic, at this point.

    As for Yakumo, she not only lacks interest in Harima, but she also lacks character development. You could argue that she still has room for growth in terms of either, but with only one month left until Karasuma's departure - I'm not really expecting much. At the very best, I see her serving as an obstacle for Flag to set the stage for an Oudou ending.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyoto1984
    Well, first let me get to the marriage charms. Here's what I think, after Harima puts up the marriage charms, he sits down in the palanquin to rest and falls asleep. As he is waiting, those two 3/4 naked guys take him away, breaking the promise he inadvertanly made with Eri. Eri made it too late and saw that Harima's name was on her charm. Now the interesting part, Harima x Tenma's charm fell off the hut in the rain, and Eri took the charm and was carrying it around the chapter after. Could this be concived as foreshadowing that neither Tenma nor Eri will marry Harima in the future?
    That would only be symbolically true if no further reference had been made to Eri's charm after it had been removed. The fact that Eri's charm was found by Tenma in Ch.185 indicates that the reason that it was taken off was to act as a plot device - so that others could discover their relationship. Besides, I don't think SR is particularily concerned with who Harima marries - they're only 16-17 years old, after all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyoto1984
    Now, back to the palaquin. In Akira's story it carried Yakumo to her true love, the hunter, and away from Hanai (poor guy) her fiancee. In Harima's case it carried him away from Eri. Though it's still not clear who is Harima's "True love," Tenma could be considered just a heavy crush, but the palaquin seem to be following him all the way back home. In 186 it is still running alongside the train as pointed out by Kido. What's back home that wasn't in Kyoto? Is the palaquin still carrying Harima, figuratively, back home to Yakumo?
    Harima doesn't have a fiancee to be carried away from. For that matter, you neglected the first occurance of the palanquin in Ch.178, just after Harima makes his promise to Eri. The appearance of the palanquin in 186 indicates something much different - it confirms that Yakushamaru will be returning with them, as suggested in Ch.185.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyoto1984
    The arranged marrige of the past Yakumo is quite simular to the situation Harima is in right now. Pretty much the whole class saw Harima and Eri together and now believe they are a couple. And in both casses it is Tenma who is to blame. Tenma accidently recieved the Eri x Harima marrige charm, so she could be considered the same as the past Tenma who pushed for her sister's marriage, and now pushes for the Harima x Eri marriage.
    Couldn't you argue the same thing for Yakumo, whom Harima was forced into a false relationship with earlier on in the series? Also, by that reasoning - couldn't any other girl act as a substitute for Yakumo? Why not Harima x Tae?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyoto1984
    And ANOTHER thing, even after Harima explained the manga thing to Tenma, she still believed that Harima and Yakumo were a couple. She says that Yakumo should give him chocolates on Valentines day. And now she seems to be rooting for the flag faction. Neither this Tenma or the past Tenma seem to be really loyal to their little sister Yakumo.
    Tenma told Yakumo to give Valentine chocolates to a guy. For all purposes, it's been over two months in SR time (and eight months in real time) since Yakumo interacted with Harima. Tenma, like everyone else, knows that the two are not a couple.

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    Wait a sec,

    I've been confused about this for a while but
    About the b-chapter where yakumo could see harima's thoughts

    It wasn't that it was dark I think, it was pretty obvious that he is with yakumo,
    also another hint, is that harima suddenly became nervous after she touched his hand.

    Also, there is that harima saw "tenma" in yakumo and started to change his feelings to yakumo for a few seconds.

    well, the mangaka sure wants to make us suffer after all <_<

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    wasnt that the part when Harima told Yakumo to wear an outfit or some kind of scene for his manga, and he thought it was kind of cute, thus letting Yakumo enter his mind for a while?

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    Default yep u r right

    yeah, i also got the feeling tha in the end harima and yakumo will end up together, but harima's got quite string feeling for tenma, so its like u say big mystery for all of us

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    the mangaka seems to be pushing Harima and Eri more then i noticed before..

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    Quote Originally Posted by akurashy
    Wait a sec,

    I've been confused about this for a while but
    About the b-chapter where yakumo could see harima's thoughts

    It wasn't that it was dark I think, it was pretty obvious that he is with yakumo,
    also another hint, is that harima suddenly became nervous after she touched his hand.

    Also, there is that harima saw "tenma" in yakumo and started to change his feelings to yakumo for a few seconds.

    well, the mangaka sure wants to make us suffer after all <_<
    Basically, Harima was thinking about Tenma, and Yakumo read his thoughts about Tenma, but Harima's head was partially blocking Tenma's name.

    Quote Originally Posted by HeyITZthatFC
    the mangaka seems to be pushing Harima and Eri more then i noticed before..
    Yeah, the past 8 months of manga have been almost exclusively Flag, with some Oudou here and there. Also, for the past 20 or so chapters, everything that Harima and Eri do seem to be mirror images of each other. They both make the same mistakes and approach their relationships in the same way - something that used to characterize Tenma and Harima's relationship for most of the series. The syncronized movements in the end of Ch.185 took it to a whole new level, though. To top it all off, there's also the addition of these new symbols. It looks promising.

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    Default Kenji and Yakumo

    Well it could happen in the future! but no it doesnt happen in the manga cos if you watch the epidoe 14 of the 2nd term You will figure it out that she was on top of him for Harima's manga! Thats why. Cos Harima remembers a scene from Love Hina how a guy fell on top of a girl and well harima wanted to get the idea so he asked yakumo to be on top of him. Anyway the love thing is all pointing at the manga harima has to do for his work.
    Everyone gets it?

    but still if Harima and yakumo were togeher in the future not in the manga or anime it would be sweet. AT least Tenma and karasuma would be together. Cos even in that scene Karasuma may like Tenma too!

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    Karasuma is such a wierdo.. anyways he is probably one of those people who doesnt REALLY like anyone, but wouldnt mind if Tenma ask him out..

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    Quote Originally Posted by marafi
    Well it could happen in the future! but no it doesnt happen in the manga cos if you watch the epidoe 14 of the 2nd term You will figure it out that she was on top of him for Harima's manga! Thats why. Cos Harima remembers a scene from Love Hina how a guy fell on top of a girl and well harima wanted to get the idea so he asked yakumo to be on top of him. Anyway the love thing is all pointing at the manga harima has to do for his work.
    Everyone gets it?

    but still if Harima and yakumo were togeher in the future not in the manga or anime it would be sweet. AT least Tenma and karasuma would be together. Cos even in that scene Karasuma may like Tenma too!
    If you look at KJ's manga career, he won Shounen Magazine's Rookie award, which was what gave him the opportunity to serialize SR in that same magazine, in 2001. Harima's manga career initially follows the same lines, but then diverges completely - while Harima wins the amateur manga award and gets his big chance, he messes it up and his manga career comes to an end. It's been two months of SR time since we've seen any reference to Harima writing manga, after that incident. Incidentally, Harima and Yakumo haven't kept in touch after that point, which should also give you an idea of the real nature of their relationship.

    Episode 14 has a lot of innuendo, but if you pay attention to the dialogue, there is nothing in the least bit romantic about it - it's purely a practical discussion. When Ep.17 comes out, compare scenes with Ep.14. Then you'll see the difference between innuendo and real emotion.

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    in the end this is all speculation, but this is what makes this manga so awesome
    you cant help but try to look at every little detail of every page and panel to try to come up with some clues pointing to a certain direction
    then again, in the end Jin Kobayashi has the final word... and with him behind the wheel who knows where this crazybus will end up

    also, i heard that Harima is loosely based on Kobayashi himself (and he is Kobayashi's favorite character to boot, mine too! ... next to Eri :P )

    i love reading all this though keep it up, it makes me even more excited about reading more

 

 
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