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    Weimario-kun is offline Senior Member Well Known
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    Yes, a shame really. As much as I'd appreciate a Harima x Yakumo, (but I won't deny a Eri x Harima), I wouldn't go as far as to wish Yakumo to 'be' more like her sister since its akin to wishing to de-evolve from a superior to an inferior form just to attract someone. Therefore, no chances of Harima shifting focus from sisters by natural consideration of similar 'attractive' qualities shared by siblings (think: ' if one is unattainable at least the other is just as good ' ). Maybe Harima will eventually be charmed by Yakumo due to her own merits :P. I mean, if his original crush is Tenma, then moving on to Yakumo can only improve his standards, poor guy XD.

    On another note, yay for chap 40b!! I hope Akira was being more 'insightful' rather than being humorous using that folk tale to compare Yakumo and Harima.
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    I hope Akira was being more 'insightful' rather than being humorous using that folk tale to compare Yakumo and Harima.
    Well, seeing as Akira is often the Deus Ex Machina of Jin Kobayashi.. it could be a solid foreshadowing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZhangKhaiEn
    Well, seeing as Akira is often the Deus Ex Machina of Jin Kobayashi.. it could be a solid foreshadowing.
    Both the runaway palanquin and the panda from that side chapter are linked to major incidents in Harima x Eri's storyline. The panda appears in the temple when Harima and Eri spend the night together in ch.152. The runaway palanquin first appears in Ch.178, just after Harima and Eri "promise" to write their marriage charm together, then in Ch.182, when Harima fixes the charm which transforms into the Harima x Eri marriage charm, and also in Ch.185 alongside the train, just after Harima and Eri get set up as a couple together. Both symbols appear in info pages at the end of Ch.184 and Ch.185, respectively. It seems to be symbolically related to uniting an individual with their true love, based on Akira's story.

    Oh, and Akira always has Yakumo reject Hanai when she tells her little stories. It's linked to Akira's feelings for Hanai.

    You've sold me on the foreshadowing part - but for a very different couple. Ganbatte, Flag!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm
    Both the runaway palanquin and the panda from that side chapter are linked to major incidents in Harima x Eri's storyline. The panda appears in the temple when Harima and Eri spend the night together in ch.152. The runaway palanquin first appears in Ch.178, just after Harima and Eri "promise" to write their marriage charm together, then in Ch.182, when Harima fixes the charm which transforms into the Harima x Eri marriage charm, and also in Ch.185 alongside the train, just after Harima and Eri get set up as a couple together. Both symbols appear in info pages at the end of Ch.184 and Ch.185, respectively. It seems to be symbolically related to uniting an individual with their true love, based on Akira's story.

    Oh, and Akira always has Yakumo reject Hanai when she tells her little stories. It's linked to Akira's feelings for Hanai.

    You've sold me on the foreshadowing part - but for a very different couple. Ganbatte, Flag!
    Nice little spin you got there. You mistake the 'marriage' charm. It didn't turn into Harima x Eri. It was the original Eri x Harima charm (of Eri's) stuck behind Harima's own charm which didn't stick as well as Harima thought XD. The panda is a bit vague as it was included back in chapter 166 when Hanai put his glasses on the blind panda god effigy to save 'pseudo-Yakumo' (and incidently Hanai isn't rejected there so a dent in your theory? ;P). The palaquin can be taken as both ways. It can be a symbol of unification but there is also the separation aspect of the 'forced' coupling. Well, looks like Harima x Eri looks pretty forced to me (contributed in a big way by Tenma). Quite the double edged sword (if you apply it so) don't you think ?
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    THe Harima x Eri pairing is only because Eri has an interest in Harima, but not the other way around. Just because Hanai likes Yakumo, does that mean they'll end up together? THe way people are thinking is like this:

    Harima= Main Character
    Main Character ALWAYS gets a pretty girl
    Eri= Only pretty girl that's interested in him and also 100x hotter than tenma
    therefore Harima and Eri go together

    But they're not even friends for god's sake. Yakumo is the one he confides in,trusts his darkest secrets to (manga) and who share a deep bond. Right now, the bond between Harima and Yakumo is deeper than any bond Harima has with any of the other girls. I'd like to see you refute that

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    Greetings! This is going to be my first post.

    While Harima x Yakumo speculations are everywhere, you can't deny the fact that Harima still has the "Tenma Vision", and Yakumo pretty much knows a little about it. I agree that Yakumo's feelings toward Harima may only be on the "confidante" level, and nothing near the "romantic" level that Onigiri Faction is hoping for.

    As for the b40 foreshadowing, I think it could go both ways. For Yakumo since obviously she and Harima were the star of that chapter, and for Eri because she was also put right on the spot (Omai/Christmas Arc). This is what I love about School Rumble. It really gives us freedom to believe what we want to believe, and not stick to the norm formula of romantic comedy genre.

    In any case, the I still can't understand what cultural symbolism could be deciphered from the Runaway Palanquin, that could be related to the romance of Harima and Eri. I think I would still have to research on that.

    I'm a Flagger by the way. But my philosophy teacher taught me to question everything I believe in. So I still question whether Flag is the best choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weimario-kun
    You mistake the 'marriage' charm. It didn't turn into Harima x Eri. It was the original Eri x Harima charm (of Eri's) stuck behind Harima's own charm which didn't stick as well as Harima thought XD.
    Eri's charm only had her name on it. In Ch.178, she reveals that she wasn't able to complete the charm before it was stolen. That was the same chapter that Harima makes his promise, bringing about the first advent of the runaway palanquin. When it rains, Harima's name leaks through the paper, transforming the incomplete marriage charm into a Harima x Eri marriage charm - and the runaway palanquin reappears for a second time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Weimario-kun
    The panda is a bit vague as it was included back in chapter 166 when Hanai put his glasses on the blind panda god effigy to save 'pseudo-Yakumo' (and incidently Hanai isn't rejected there so a dent in your theory? ;P).
    You misunderstood. This isn't the first story that Akira has told about a Yakumo and a Hanai. There was another story that was told to the Tea Club prior to the Kyoto trip involving a Yakumo and Hanai marriage. This explains Yakumo's appearance in this side chapter, as well. The panda is a different issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Weimario-kun
    The palaquin can be taken as both ways. It can be a symbol of unification but there is also the separation aspect of the 'forced' coupling. Well, looks like Harima x Eri looks pretty forced to me (contributed in a big way by Tenma). Quite the double edged sword (if you apply it so) don't you think ?
    I've already considered this point. There's a simple technique to differentiate between the two: context. All three appearances of the palanquin are linked to incidents that draw Harima and Eri together. The first, when they make their promise, the second, when the charm is created, and the third, when they are brought together. Had the palanquin been a symbol of separation, it would have been presented only under in the opposite situation - when Harima is growing distant from Eri. There's yet another issue to consider as well - "the boss", whomever he may be, is apparently Eri's fiancee. The running issue from the time of the omiai arc is Eri's arranged marriage - the plans that her family set for her conflict with her true love. Eri's story is the story of a beautiful young girl who is set to marry someone who she does not love - her heart belongs to another: a rough yet good natured guy. However, when all appears to be lost, the runaway palanquin appears, to guide the story and draw Eri towards her true love, Harima. That is the story of the runaway palanquin.

    Quote Originally Posted by tomsawyer
    THe Harima x Eri pairing is only because Eri has an interest in Harima, but not the other way around. Just because Hanai likes Yakumo, does that mean they'll end up together? THe way people are thinking is like this:

    Harima= Main Character
    Main Character ALWAYS gets a pretty girl
    Eri= Only pretty girl that's interested in him and also 100x hotter than tenma
    therefore Harima and Eri go together
    Actually, many people seem to assume the following:

    Tenma => first girl to appear => Main Girl
    Karasuma => first guy to appear, but the audience cannot identify with him => Not Harem Male
    Harima => second guy to appear, and audience can identify with him => Harem Male
    Eri => Initially unapproachable, has interest in designated Harem Male => Secondary Love Interest, Tsundere

    A harem cannot consist of only two members, so we can try to fill it out by going through the list of Eri's rivals:
    Mikoto => Doesn't work, is interested in her tutor instead of Harima
    Tae => Not convincing, effective harem rivals are usually in the same age group as the Harem Male
    Yakumo => Taciturn, Mysterious Girl, Opposite of Tsundere => Rival!

    Unfortunately, this doesn't really work, because SR isn't a harem series. In fact, SR has more of a shoujo manga feel to it than a shounen manga. The relationships form a complex web that are not centred around a single character, as they should in a harem series, and the background sparkles and other effects are very shoujo-ish as well. The biggest problem with Onigiri, as the OP pointed out, is there isn't any point in the manga where Yakumo shows interest in Harima, or vice versa. As such, fans try very hard to see a romantic pairing where there is none. If you abandon the harem concept, however, there is little to distinguish Onigiri from the older Flag rivals, Marker and Pencil. They exist mainly for the purposes of Eri's character development

    The case for an Eri ending is based on the principle of poetic justice, which tends to be very significant in stories like this. That being said, if Harima revises his current approach and shows some selfless (rather than selfish) devotion to Tenma, you could make an equally good case for Oudou, Flag's greatest rival. That's what keeps us on the edge of our seats.

    Quote Originally Posted by tomsawyer
    But they're not even friends for god's sake. Yakumo is the one he confides in,trusts his darkest secrets to (manga) and who share a deep bond. Right now, the bond between Harima and Yakumo is deeper than any bond Harima has with any of the other girls. I'd like to see you refute that
    Itoko is Harima's cousin, and the only female family member who we have ever seen Harima interact with. He fights with her constantly, grumbles at her behind her back - but yet, there's a bond between the two that holds them tightly together. Harima and Eri fight constantly - but even as early as Ch.116, the rest of the class believed that those two looked their most natural around each other. No matter how much Harima may complain about Eri (she is, after all, the one who he describes as being "born to get in [his] way"), he just can't help but be there for her whenever she needs him, in the same way that she watches out for him (there are countless examples, ranging from the Sports Festival, to the laundry incident, to the omiai, and so on)

    Harima's bond with Yakumo is extremely polite. The real Harima is bursting with emotion - that's the Harima that we see around Tenma, Eri, and Itoko. The Harima that we see in class is aloof - he masks his real self with his calm, delinquent image. This Harima is the same one that we see in his interactions with Yakumo - very polite, and very much devoid of real emotion. In addition, we know that Harima doesn't trust Yakumo with his deepest secret - when Yakumo asks Harima if he likes Tenma, he denies it and conceals it. The manga "secret", however, is not exclusive to Yakumo - as soon as he was ready to publish it, he immediately made it known to Tenma. Harima shares no secrets with Yakumo.

    For that matter, the only girl with whom Harima has ever talked about his feelings for Tenma with was Eri, in Ch.178. That, as a matter of fact, makes Eri his true confidant.

    There, that wasn't so hard, was it?

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    Whoa, whoa whoa, slow down there swampstorm. Where was it that Harima tells Eri that he likes Tenma? Oh wait, he was delirious in the false hope that Tenma may still have a chance of liking him and had stupidly assumed that Oujo already knew about he liking Tenma (when in actuality, Oujo was confidently refering about herself). So not much of a confidente eh? He assumes that if she already know then its not like he can easily deny it especially when she appears to be supportive in this.

    I also seen to have forgotten the chapter where Harima absolutely denies the Tenma subject from Yakumo, where was that? Anyway, with Yakumo, He was not certain about Yakumo's support in this matter and he could easily avoid the uncomfortable subject because he doesn't suspect her knowing about it for certain like that time with Eri.

    Anyway, all this evidence of couplings can not deny the one truth (that goes for both onigiri and flag) , Harima has yet to develop feelings for anyone other than Tenma. This is not much of a shame to me as is with you because I'd rather see feelings develop on one individual for someone because she has yet to fall in love (I am of course talking about Yakumo; what a shame in a series with couples left and right) even if the other party won't develop the same feelings to legitimise a 'couple'.
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    Well, first let me get to the marriage charms. Here's what I think, after Harima puts up the marriage charms, he sits down in the palanquin to rest and falls asleep. As he is waiting, those two 3/4 naked guys take him away, breaking the promise he inadvertanly made with Eri. Eri made it too late and saw that Harima's name was on her charm. Now the interesting part, Harima x Tenma's charm fell off the hut in the rain, and Eri took the charm and was carrying it around the chapter after. Could this be concived as foreshadowing that neither Tenma nor Eri will marry Harima in the future?

    Now, back to the palaquin. In Akira's story it carried Yakumo to her true love, the hunter, and away from Hanai (poor guy) her fiancee. In Harima's case it carried him away from Eri. Though it's still not clear who is Harima's "True love," Tenma could be considered just a heavy crush, but the palaquin seem to be following him all the way back home. In 186 it is still running alongside the train as pointed out by Kido. What's back home that wasn't in Kyoto? Is the palaquin still carrying Harima, figuratively, back home to Yakumo?

    The arranged marrige of the past Yakumo is quite simular to the situation Harima is in right now. Pretty much the whole class saw Harima and Eri together and now believe they are a couple. And in both casses it is Tenma who is to blame. Tenma accidently recieved the Eri x Harima marrige charm, so she could be considered the same as the past Tenma who pushed for her sister's marriage, and now pushes for the Harima x Eri marriage.

    And ANOTHER thing, even after Harima explained the manga thing to Tenma, she still believed that Harima and Yakumo were a couple. She says that Yakumo should give him chocolates on Valentines day. And now she seems to be rooting for the flag faction. Neither this Tenma or the past Tenma seem to be really loyal to their little sister Yakumo.

    Just something to chew on for awhile.

 

 
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